Religion: If You Don't Believe In It Why Does It Bother You?

LOL maruba I see what you are saying was just messing around a bit.

Im probably a believer in both creation and science? I feel we came from somewhere but I dont see it as I was put here to do the bidding of a supreme being. If that makes any sense. If we are truely alone in this huge universe then its an awful waste of space. Big bang theory on a small scale seems feasible but same as a GOD no way to really know for sure. For all we know the universe could be a big ball with a force on the oppisite side pulling evrythign thats not exactly in the center over the sides? So not expansion from a huge explosion but acceleration of the galaxies closest to the point where they would start to fall to the other side? Stick a powerful magnet on one side of a sphere and see what happens when you drop a bunch of metal balls on it. Probably will have some stay positioned in the center and most will roll and race to the magnet?

I'm all for messing around. :)

And maybe you're a Deist? Clockmaker god? Eh, look it up here.
Anyway, the evidence in favor of the big bang is pretty sizable, nothing else quite explains our universe so well and it has not yet been falsified. I find it fascinating that most astronomers believe that there IS no "edge" of the universe, that it curves around in such a way that if you went off in one direction towards what you thought was the edge in a straight line, eventually (VERY eventually) you'd end back up at the same spot. Neat!

As for a waste of space, it certainly is if you believe the universe exists solely for our sake. If you don't, then not so much.
The universe was around for 12 billion years before we showed up, presumably with nobody around at all to really appreciate its majesty. Even if the most conservative estimates about possible alien life are right and there are millions of other races out there, then it still leaves an awful lot of empty space leftover or "wasted."

Our own planet is mostly uninhabitable, with high elevations and the oceans being just a few examples on the surface where we can't live, not to mention the HUGE amount of earth below the surface where we can't live. To me, that's just more evidence in favor that the universe we live in was NOT crafted with us in mind.

But, your call. :)

I am going to say it again for shits and giggles.

Shut the *** Up

There was a post I made before this, why did you not see what I said. I am certain you did , you can not be that freaking blind. Why are you highlighting what I said here?

Yeah exactly, you look like the ignorant one not me ^^b. I said I doubt every religious person I shoving ***down your throat, or any have even done so to you in your life.

people coming to you door? say leave me alone good bye, that is just a few. Pat robertson being rude on tv? change the channel. See some religous cable informaercial about giving money to the church and it looks like a late night scam, ignore it.

I went to school, and I never got no religion crap spewed down my throat. Oh wait maybe during social studies and history classes and english classes in middle school.

If I remember there are multiple religions in this world, besides the one you are picking on. Do not play dumb with me it will not work.

I went to school and learned about mythology like most has and the japanese gods and their dieties, and what they do. and other countries, so maybe jesus probably did pop up once or twice in social studies. But that was just when a topic came up in middle school or high school and teacher was speaking and students bought it up or it was relevant to the topic.

No one ever shoved anything down my throat, not once in those situations.


I learned all I did from my parents, yup. My parents were/are strict parents. On sunday you go to freaking church, learn your morals and value's what ever from the stories told, and not all churches teach in the same way bro... they have the sunday school for little kids but I never went to one. I read the bible all by my self, got taught about stories from my dad growing up, and have expensive text and encyclopedia britanica's at my damn home. More than one series and stuff and other types of books that concentrate on the bible that are a part of a series. So I pretty much taught my damn self everything I know, I do not need you or anyone telling me ***.

I am not being ignorant, but you and your type blatantly posted a thread like this and expected it to go well?

As the title says:

Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?


I will say it again, If you do not believe in it it should not bother you. I am not talking about the religious extremists and the terrorists. Those people are one of a kind and should be eradicated from humanity. I doubt every single religious person you know of or see is freaking up your ***. I also doubt talking about god in school would cause a problem, I have seen chats about him for a long time. I never seen nothing happen, just because your *** does not believe in god does not mean your children will not, your loss not theirs.

If person A wants to believe in god, or sususano or tsukyomi, or amertaretsu. Or the great all might BUDDAH, Hinduism, they have every right to. Or did you forget these other things were gods and religions? Or are you forgetting there are more religions than just christianty and the middle easts various religions. You are the one being ignorant for picking on people.

I did not pick on no one in here, I just said to shut the *** up. Because who started the thread being ignorant? the OP.

BTW

( OP is probably some pubescent, 14-16 year old boy or girl whom is pissed their parents yell at them to go to church every morning when they do not want them to and always makes them go to what ever service). Religion does lots for people, it helps cope with loss, or get through a tough time, on top of that being moral from whom you are and how you are raised, the bible also has morals and values when you read it. even the japanese mythology teaches some and the west indian stories.

If op is not some little teen he/she is mad about parents and what they did to him/her long ago and forced them to go to church and what ever. and as been regressed about it ever since.

Good day.


Not all religion people are after you if you want to not believe in religion your choice go ahead, just get out of my face. It is my choice to believe in religion, you guys are attacking the wrong people. Attack the people who use religion for the wrong reasons. Not the innocent people who *** follow it and did nothing to you.

I again doubt realistically it impairs you real life, stop grabbing at straws. Stop showing me a list of what religion has done thousands of years ago or recently.

How does it affect you what happened to you! if it did nothing to you personally, shut up.

With all the serious topic threads in forums where ever you go...sometimes I just see s student using them to get ref. for some paper they need to get done for school.

*not saying it's being done here, just I have seen it done.*

Ok /seriousface.

No belief is worth believing in if it's not debatable. So, everyone keep making threads about X & Y whatever.

There is no wrong or right, because no matter how much we can prove we're correct, that many times - someone can (and will) prove it wrong.

@ stan, And I have no problem if religion would stay out of my face, and by that I mean stop dictating law on who I can marry and (if I were a female) what I can do with my body. I think for some (not all) religion can be a good thing, gives people a moral compass as it were, although I don't think that you need religion to have morals and ethics.
If religion stopped doing that then I'd have no prob, they CAN do good things, feed the hungry ect (although that can come with strings too, you wanna eat? you have to go to mass).
The minor thing about them coming to my door and trying to convert I could deal with , I simply say no thank you blah blah have a nice day ect

btw I'm not gay, I'm bi currently engaged to a wonderful women but I'd like to marry who ever I fell in love with.

@ Trini exactly, if you believe in anything you should be able to a have calm debate with the opposing side.


edit: Yeah it does effect me and everyone around me on a day to day basis, they can not marry who they love, if they're gay

I could care less what faith you have or what dogma you follow, as long as it's not used as means to alienate or hate upon others for no legitimate purpose or reason.

Unfortunately, it's still used for really awful things like murder, capitalizing, war, corrupt politics/policy etc.

@Psyence (OP)

If I thought like you and only believed in myself and other people, I would have committed suicide around 8 years ago. I was actually going to kill myself because of the condition I developed when I was 16. I couldn't take the immense psychological and emotional pain any longer. I normally would not have admitted this, but you refuse to believe that faith has any major benefits. Some people need religion, because their lives are so shitty and they feel helpless. My faith in God and the fact that my condition might go away has kept me alive this whole time.

P.S: I may be a Christian, but I have never forced my believes upon anyone. (I never really ever even talk about faith with my friends, because I have friends who are Buddhist, Agnostic, Atheist, Christian, and even one that believes in the Occult.) Unlike you, I don't judge people for what they believe. And I like to expect the same from people of other believes. I respect ALL believes. What you're doing is just as bad as the Christians that preach to non-believers and tell them that they are going to Hell.

Fixed.

Religion is like race.. some people just gota hate on something that is different, if everyone in the world accepted that different people believe different things it would be a much better place... thats if they werent to busy fighting over oil...


I believe that in the end we are all just dust and bones, people who live thier lives for a "higher being" wether it be God or not and think they will go to heaven.. fair play to them.
The only time i think it is wrong is when people use a "God" as an excuse to go blow up 2500 people.

Btw, both could and couldn't are technically and grammatically correct in what they pertain to.

that may be but "i Couldnt care less" is the correct saying for putting across you really dont give a ***.

"i could care less" means you do actually care..

Wow, where to begin, LOL...

Ignoring the "true" atheist logical fallacy (look up the True Scotsman Fallacy for a hint), your statement is so completely opposite of my own experiences, that together they are proof that personal anecdotes are proof of absolutely nothing, LOL..

As an atheist, I recently stopped in the pouring rain to help an old lady load her groceries into her car. I didn't do it because I thought it would score points with Jesus, I did it because the woman was having some obvious distress and I had the potential to help her...and because doing so made us both happy, thus spreading joy universally.

But see, I don't believe in sweeping generalizations, as they are inevitably false. It's silly to say ALL atheists only think of themselves, as it is ridiculous to say ALL Christians are out to turn the country into a theocracy state.

I'm truly sorry that your experiences with atheists has been so bad, but I hope you will have the maturity to recognize that there are good atheists, and there are bad Christians...and vice-versa. That's just reality. 8)

First of all, if someone has attacked you solely for being religious, as an ad hominem, then very few people will support them for that, as moderately intellectual boards do not allow personal attacks.

Second of all...you say "Not the innocent people who *** follow it and did nothing to you." Would these people include voters? Voters who use elections to place into office people who wish to impose their religious agendas? Then in that case, these people DID something to those of us who are not religious...they attempted to legislate their personal beliefs into law. That may explain why it bothers us.

As for showing lists of what religion has done thousands of years ago or recently...um, that is what this thread asked for: "If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?"

Perhaps, if you will let go of your anger long enough, you will stop to see that the lists are, in fact, reasons why religion bothers some people. Some of us are not so insensitive as to have turned a cold heart to the millions who have been murdered in painful and slow ways over the millennia due to religions bigotry. You don't like those lists? Too bad. They are reasons asked for in the title of this thread.

How has religion affected me, personally? It has broken up my family because parents who -should- love their children unconditionally have turned more towards their imaginary friend in the sky, who has through an absurdly-re-re-retranslated book condemned their children to an eternity in hell for simply believing differently, though their children are still good people. I will never have much respect for a belief system in which the perfect deity, by it's own definition only capable of perfect love, manages to attain a level of hate that is necessary in order to condemn any of it's own creations to a fate of endless pain and suffering for simply believing differently. And I am not obligated to respect anyone who believes in a religion where such a shameful and ugly fate is predicted for me.

I hope that helps. 8)

I didn't think you posted anymore, and I had a sad :(

simply put -- the greatest form of man-made mind control.

Think about it. Thousands of years ago when people didn't know enough about their surroundings to even know why the sun/moon would rise and set every day, someone telling them "give me your gold to pay tribute to the Sun God or he won't show up tomorrow". People would be scared! Then on the off chance a solar eclipse happened after he said that ... you could imagine the chaos.

Now if you told the same people, "If you don't believe in God, or you believe in the wrong God, you'll burn in a pit of fire for eternity in the afterlife" people will believe you simply because they don't know any better.

Some people need religion in their lives -- it gives them something to live for.

I haven't been given a reason to believe or not believe. I have however seen religion is the cause of mass fighting and death world wide. I don't even need to explain things like: The Crusades or current situation in the Middle East to get the point on that across .... who knows, I'm going to eat dinner! :P

Humans are human, they'll be *** with or without religion, it doesn't matter, i've met *** heads who are religious and i've met *** heads who aren't, no matter what, most people have that destructive *** side to them there will always be war with or without religion.

I personaly think we should teach god based religions in school right along with greek myths and other out dated belief systems and allow children to realize just how stupid their parrents are for teaching them something that has no basis in fact.

Just for the lulz:

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Those "stories" are the concepts behind Judaism/Christianity. They're examples of how God influenced the lives of those involved by sending his disciples to spread his message. He recruited believers by using his power to show that he is an all-powerful being and that we should be following him. People still use these same stories to try and recruit more people.

If I can't touch, smell, see, taste, hear it or have it proved to me mathematically then it doesn't exist in my world.

Any 1 else seeing bible CD adds on this page, at work or i would post a Screen shot but its funny.

Touché

K. I'll bite. Your point is exactly what?

Ah, yeah I don't believe in any of it.