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 Asura.Despayn
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By Asura.Despayn 2010-04-24 12:17:34
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Which is why I said worthless in almost all situations...
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 12:22:42
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I still find it very usefull, depend how your pld work, PLD in my dynamis shell are very smart and busy, like making RNG face different dirrection to reduce AoE DMG, same for ninja. Or they take care of all mnk.
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 12:41:29
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There better stuff i find optional then 1 PLD per run, and is all these RDM doing only Cure and Refresh, Refreshing a PLD is ok, but refreshing bunch of BLM only? comon give me a damn break, send that RDM to sleep mob instead, and make your BLM buy better hMP gear.... hMP gear VS refresh ( No match @ all )

Another FAIL you see in dynamis is BLM with full MAB setup trying to sleep MOB : FAIL!!!! (would be same as see MELE WS in Haste setup) comon lern your job more.

Is OK to have a RDM on cure duty only if you lack of WHM, but having all your RDM on cure/refresh? ..... FAIL.

Specialy when most of City have zillion of MP/HP stone all around....

I never gonna say it enought, Aht Urhgan melted ppl brain, they dont know anymore what mean enf.magic, enhancing.magic, MB, SC, hMP.... so lame..

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By Phoenix.Dooom 2010-04-24 13:01:48
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Fenrir.Fdeath said:
ThMP gear VS refresh ( No match @ all )

I was unaware that the two were mutually exclusive!

And here's something that's gonna scare people. Aht Urghan didn't melt people's brains. Bad players will always be bad players. Aht Urghan moved the playerbase lightyears ahead by making us realise just how pointless "tanks" are compared to DD-tank hybrids in so many situations. Things like SC + MB have their place, but Aht Urghan made us realise that those places are few and far between.

Flame away :3
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 13:20:20
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That true, is just some are 'bad player' and they dont even know, since all they learned otw to level 75 is: STOP DIA, Paralyze is uselsss, only CURE, haste plz, refresh!!

I do thanks SE giving us Aht Urghan for Merit PT ( Dancing Weapon @ SKY was for sure not alway fun )

I just seriously hope SE in next update do a better zone where you need enf.magic, have good hmp gear, MB, SC, the need of a TANK and so on. I mean SE could put better interest in that just by adding more EXP.

Of course i can already hear all these DD nowday "meh too much trouble". That exactly my point, dont you think that would help ppl to work back togheter? I'm sorry, i dont wan blow out the major DD Bubble, but where is the strategy and fun in spam spam spam.... Try apply that mentality again HNM... i have to say ITS ALMSOT WORK like that now.. but you need massive member, or CRAZZY gear to get able to do it.

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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-24 13:25:57
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It's not fun for the DDs if you have to hold TP all of the time and use what is often an inferior WS. Much slower paced fights. "Spam" fights are much more entertaining.
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By Handyandy 2010-04-24 13:28:05
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I am a bad rdm...WHY? you cant pay me to heal your party/event/etc. I lvd the job to solo dot/nuke kite or mele solo with Joy/shield etc...You want a healer find a whm/sch!
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2010-04-24 13:42:29
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*Didn't read the OP*

If you need to make a thread about it, yes, you are. Sorry.
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By Asura.Despayn 2010-04-24 13:46:12
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Handyandy said:
I am a bad rdm...WHY? you cant pay me to heal your party/event/etc. I lvd the job to solo dot/nuke kite or mele solo with Joy/shield etc...You want a healer find a whm/sch!

I don't even know how to respond to this.
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By Bismarck.Chasuro 2010-04-24 13:47:20
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Avatan said:
giant run on sentence

Well, for starters the leader is a douche for that. But yeah, you pretty much sucked. In our dyna runs the rdm in the tank party is the main sleeper. They also keep haste and refresh on the pld's. You expected people outside of your pt to heal your tanks? The leader should have adjusted the alliance and put a whm in the tank pt. Keeping the tanks alive is the most important part.
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By Bismarck.Chasuro 2010-04-24 13:47:45
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Asura.Daleterrence said:
*Didn't read the OP*

If you need to make a thread about it, yes, you are. Sorry.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-24 13:47:54
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Asura.Despayn said:
Handyandy said:
I am a bad rdm...WHY? you cant pay me to heal your party/event/etc. I lvd the job to solo dot/nuke kite or mele solo with Joy/shield etc...You want a healer find a whm/sch!
I don't even know how to respond to this.

Like this;



I am boss, your opinion means nothing.
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 14:29:42
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
It's not fun for the DDs if you have to hold TP all of the time and use what is often an inferior WS. Much slower paced fights. "Spam" fights are much more entertaining.

You dont need hold your TP that much.. but i know what you taking about and ill illustrate it (is how DD think anyway now)


Rana (400dmg) + Gekko (1.4k DMG + 1.4k Darkness) = 3.2k DMG
+ 5 BLM Freeze II = 15k dmg (18.2k dmg per round)

At the end of the night, player #1(the rana one) ask to player #2: -hey how much dmg you did tonight?

Player #2 answer well 28k dmg. (he closed 10x SC doing 2.8k)
Player #1 say: Wow i suck.... i only did 4k dmg... ( he opended 10x 400 dmg)

Total DMG in 10 WS/SC/MB = 182k dmg total


The next night, we take the same ppl:

Player #1 Gekko for 1.4k dmg x10
Player #2 Gekko for 1.4k dmg x10
Freeze II hit form x10 (1.4k)

Total DMG in 10 WS/SC/MB = 42k dmg total

Player #1 ask player #2 how much dmg you did tongiht? and he answer, well tonight it was not too hot 14k dmg.
Player #2 say: oh damn, well i did crazzy good tonight, i did 4x more dmg and did 14k!!

EPIC FAIL... but who are you in this story line?

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By Phoenix.Dooom 2010-04-24 19:46:12
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Any DD who judges their performance based solely upon the damage they deal fails.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-04-24 19:46:51
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Phoenix.Dooom said:
Any DD who judges their performance based solely upon the damage they deal fails.

I feel like that's the whole reason a "Damage Dealer" exists.
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By Phoenix.Dooom 2010-04-24 19:55:30
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Oh, I could go do 4000 dmg per fight, and my friend could go deal 3500. I'm the better DD, right? Except my friend did his damage while requiring zero cures 'cos he passed utsusemi 101, whist I drained my whm's MP pool 'cos I'm a total reatard. There is more to being a DD than dealing damage.
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Any DD who judges their performance based solely upon the damage they deal fails.

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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-04-24 20:11:31
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EPIC FAIL... but who are you in this story line?

I'm the one who advocates a method which deals many, many times that amount of damage :)

That analogy doesn't work well because it presumes that I am deliberately messing up a skillchain to TP at will in a SC/MB setup which is very different to a TP burn setup. Hell, I'm sure there are many people here who will close SCs if they see them open even in those situations (hello Shark Bite/Evisceration/etc).
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By Asura.Ericka 2010-04-24 20:46:49
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Avatan said:
pld party, set up PLD PLD WHM RDM THF and some DD I think.


Wheres the brd? depending on Zone, There should def be a BRD in Tank pt for extra mp Ticks for mages if you're finding yourself cure bombing PLDs. if the ldr saw this he shouldve added a brd to pt or at least get a better tank(s)..
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2010-04-24 22:01:19
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Sign #1 that you were running with a shitty shell: a new and unknown member was put in a party that matters.

Assuming that tanks were taking a lot of hits there's no way one rdm could solo heal them, keep buffs up, and debuff mobs as needed. Leader was an idiot not to move another mage to the tank pt to assist you when the whms left. With that being said, you should be confident enough in your skill that you don't need to ask a question like 'am I a bad rdm'. Also, you shouldn't have gotten kicked from that shell... you should have left the minute you realized how hard they fail.

I have no idea what kind of rdm you are, but the fact that you stuck around in a shitty situation implies that you might be a desperate one. Learn to identify bad situations and gtfo. There will always be other opportunities for gear/xp/pixels... you're a RDM.
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By Bismarck.Chasuro 2010-04-24 22:19:49
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Ramuh.Haseyo said:
Phoenix.Dooom said:
Any DD who judges their performance based solely upon the damage they deal fails.

I feel like that's the whole reason a "Damage Dealer" exists.


A good DD, to me, consistently does their normal damage while managing hate and not requiring the healer to constantly cure bomb them.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-04-24 22:25:59
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I don't care how much dmg your drk does if you need so much healing the healer which could heal indefinitely if you weren't there runs out in litterally 30-40 sec of back to back curing you are actually limited dmg despite what your epeen looks like.

Remember Raise 1 only cost about as much as 2 Cure IVs. If I gotta plug myself into you because you want to face tank I'll just remind you it's easier and more efficient to let you die and raise 1 you
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-25 21:14:12
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
I don't care how much dmg your drk does if you need so much healing the healer which could heal indefinitely if you weren't there runs out in litterally 30-40 sec of back to back curing you are actually limited dmg despite what your epeen looks like.

Remember Raise 1 only cost about as much as 2 Cure IVs. If I gotta plug myself into you because you want to face tank I'll just remind you it's easier and more efficient to let you die and raise 1 you

amen. No need to add trying bomb cure him can cause your lost and entire event.
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By Bismarck.Hisagi 2010-04-25 21:46:22
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PLD in dyn is so 2004, get a better ls.
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By Asura.Lordgenbu 2010-04-25 21:49:03
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LolRDMhealers
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By Asura.Ericka 2010-04-25 21:53:03
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Bismarck.Hisagi said:
PLD in dyn is so 2004, get a better ls.


Yes because its so much cooler to wipe then have a Tank.

Losing EXP is so in for the season!
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By Leviathan.Dubont 2010-04-25 22:00:07
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Asura.Ericka said:
Bismarck.Hisagi said:
PLD in dyn is so 2004, get a better ls.


Yes because its so much cooler to wipe then have a Tank.

Losing EXP is so in for the season!
Well judging from his avy, he would rather have a mnk tank instead of a PLD
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-25 22:00:37
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Asura.Ericka said:
Bismarck.Hisagi said:
PLD in dyn is so 2004, get a better ls.


Yes because its so much cooler to wipe then have a Tank.

Losing EXP is so in for the season!
If your DDs die more in Dynamis without a "true" tank, you either need better healers, better DDs, or both.
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By Bismarck.Hisagi 2010-04-25 22:28:57
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Asura.Ericka said:
Bismarck.Hisagi said:
PLD in dyn is so 2004, get a better ls.


Yes because its so much cooler to wipe then have a Tank.

Losing EXP is so in for the season!

Yah is better have a pld that hold hate for the 1st 10 seconds.
Go 4 DD brd whm and stop failing alredy.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2010-04-25 22:46:33
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PLD is useful to have for tanking the mnks and the rng
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By Bismarck.Hisagi 2010-04-25 22:53:03
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Cerberus.Tidis said:
PLD is useful to have for tanking the mnks and the rng
MNK= Gravity > thunder IV > and sleep his 2h
RNG= keep ur shadows or third eye on.
PLD is useless..
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