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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-03-08 09:55:40
Reading this makes me miss dynamis as rdm :3 good times!
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-03-08 10:18:35
hmmm
bad rdm or not, I would still blame the leaders for putting a rdm who they dont know in a key position. Thats just asking for fail imo.
He might be blamed for beeing a bad rdm, but not for getting placed in a position he couldnt handle. I highly doubt he is the only rdm in the ls, so what made their leaders decide to put the rdm who has never run with them before in the tank party over a rdm that they know can handle rough situations?
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-03-08 10:25:00
Carbuncle.Zanno said: hmmm bad rdm or not, I would still blame the leaders for putting a rdm who they dont know in a key position. Thats just asking for fail imo. He might be blamed for beeing a bad rdm, but not for getting placed in a position he couldnt handle. I highly doubt he is the only rdm in the ls, so what made their leaders decide to put the rdm who has never run with them before in the tank party over a rdm that they know can handle rough situations? ^this
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If you have to ask if you are a bad rdm then you prolly are a bad rdm.
If it looks like duck, smells like a duck and sounds like a duck well then its prolly a duck..sorry dude.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2010-03-08 11:53:58
Bahamut.Zorander said: If you have to ask if you are a bad rdm then you prolly are a bad rdm.
If it looks like duck, smells like a duck and sounds like a duck well then its prolly a duck..sorry dude. Smells like a duck? I believe it is walks like a duck. Who goes around smelling ducks? lol
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By Ramuh.Kalyna 2010-03-08 11:58:01
Garuda.Hypnotizd said: Bahamut.Zorander said: If you have to ask if you are a bad rdm then you prolly are a bad rdm. If it looks like duck, smells like a duck and sounds like a duck well then its prolly a duck..sorry dude. Smells like a duck? I believe it is walks like a duck. Who goes around smelling ducks? lol The neighbors to the north of the USA :P
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By Remora.Starsha 2010-03-08 13:06:57
Garuda.Hypnotizd said: I didn't read the whole thread, but at the OP:
You were refreshing and hasting when you noticed them wore off or when you noticed that their MP wasn't going up? This is why I *** hate composure. It turns lazy RDMs into HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE RDMs.
Don't use composure during events or parties when you are expected to keep a haste/refresh cycle. The exception would be unless you are using yarnball or something to keep track of when the buffs will wear.
Cast Refresh on yourself, Haste on whoever you are hasting, refresh, haste, refresh, haste, etc. When your refresh wears you restart the cycle. It's not that hard to keep haste up full time like this and you'll be the first to know when refresh is going to wear on people.
Use composure on yourself, haste and refresh yourself, take it off and start the cycle on the rest of your party. Refresh lasts approximately three minutes which is slightly more than one game day. Haste lasts a little longer. Learn to watch the ingame clock and restart your cycle whenever one game hour passes. I like to start my cycle on :00 to make it easy. Keep that up and refresh and haste will never wear on your party. When your refresh wears, pop Composure, refresh & haste yourself, take it off. It keeps your timers down giving more time to /heal, debuff mobs, cure, w/e. It's easy and requires no third party tools.
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By Unicorn.Fosgate 2010-03-08 13:25:08
No you are not a bad RDM despite what everyone is trying to tell you. The leaders are 100% at fault on this one.
It is very much possible for a RDM to main heal a tank party in Dynamis but the one VERY important thing you did not have in your party was a bard or a corsair.
A brd or cor in the tank party means more refresh for the tanks which means more self healing from the pld's. And in turn, more MP for you and less healing the pld's.
Anyone ever try to be a rdm in even a merit pt with DDx5 and rdm? It's a plain nightmare. You cant keep haste on 6 people AND main heal AND sleep add's. You either run out of MP too quick, or have to sacrifice some haste. That and its a major pain in the *** for the RDM.
RDM like any other job in the game needs proper support. The leaders fail on this one 100%
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-03-08 14:38:39
Also depends on the DD. If theyre /nin and dont fail at keeping their shadows up... and do the dmg they're supposed to do 1 RDM is enough :P ... cause the bird will be dead before it can do any dmg :D
By Kiori 2010-03-10 20:43:51
for one, you should have been splitting the haste.
i personally don't like to haste myself...that 40mp can be spent better (my opinion). But with a workload like that in dynamis for a rdm...you were bound to crash and burn at one point. Not a bad rdm...just bad communication in the party with the healer.
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By Sylph.Lotusbluete 2010-03-11 02:21:39
Not haste yourself? hasting yourself helps a lot keeping your rf + haste cycles up...
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-11 02:33:07
not really. if it's a cycle, it doesn't matter how fast the recast is on it. haste will help you get the cycle started faster, but after that, it just is a waste.
the argument for haste would be cure3 recast, sleepga recast, <insert key recast spell here> recast. not keeping up the cycle.
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-03-11 03:10:32
Wait, 2 PLDs? Why? I mean I can see one PLD for a group that isn't experienced or a small group of people but 2?
I'm main RDM and WHM in dynamis (Yeah I dualbox dyna) I focus on Sleeps mainly for the most part and then worry about haste/refresh on my RDM. I'm not sure how big the group you went with is but if mobs aren't being slept then you'll have issues so it's a key thing to focus on as RDM imo because the BLMs have more things to worry about plus haste+sleepga is fast recast then tossing in a Sleep II on mobs shouldn't cause you any problems and gives you enough time to buff your group. I use WHM for haste when MP is low on RDM but most the time it's not much of an issue, if you have a good enough puller that knows when to sack and when to not then any LS really shouldn't have an issue at all.
I really don't understand how a PT of 2 PLDs were dying, they can cure each other for crying out loud I'm sure they both weren't tanking simultaneously if they were, they're doing it wrong.
It's better to just leave and stay away from the LS. If they honestly didn't have another RDM or WHM who have been in the LS long enough to know their tank pt is good on cures/support then I wouldn't even worry about it, if you're gonna run a LS the least you can do is have reliable mages...
If you did your best that's really all you can do. I wouldn't bother with their criticism especially if they didn't even give it to you constructively and just said "You suck *kick*"
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By Bahamut.Branwen 2010-03-11 04:59:15
You're without a doubt better off out of that LS. If the leaders can't take the time to allow your skills to grow by putting you into less demanding situations then theyre not worth your time anyway.
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By Pandemonium.Vavaud 2010-03-11 05:10:37
Diabolos.Ghlin said: not really. if it's a cycle, it doesn't matter how fast the recast is on it. haste will help you get the cycle started faster, but after that, it just is a waste.
the argument for haste would be cure3 recast, sleepga recast, <insert key recast spell here> recast. not keeping up the cycle.
In my opinion, self haste is better for doing cycles because you get the cycle done FASTER, meaning more time to cure, rest, sleep, etc. inbetween cycles. The more time you spend cycling refresh/haste on other people the less time you can spend keeping the linkshell alive handling unslept mobs. At least in my experience with my dynamis shell.
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Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-11 05:14:37
Self haste really isn't that bad anymore with composure making it last so long with refresh.
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By Ifrit.Itazura 2010-03-11 05:54:02
Bismarck.Rinako said: Wait, 2 PLDs? Why? I mean I can see one PLD for a group that isn't experienced or a small group of people but 2?
Well, my group is relatively inexperienced, and I like having PLDx2. lol.
PLD disconnected mid fight last night. Main /assist ("caller" to some) became SAM/NIN (me), because we have no WAR, and no /WAR. While I do know which critter to target next, without a Provoke/Flash/Stun or something, they will go hit the sleepers as soon as I wake them up unless I happen to have TP to WS with.
That sequence probably completely annoyed our crowd control people. lol. I bet they were wishing for a backup PLD during every second of it.
Anyway, the point is mishaps do happen; the main PLD can d/c, can die, can be needing a WC break really really badly! Second PLD isn't a bad idea if the group can afford to put one more person on PLD.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-11 05:59:09
I like 2 plds so you can so one can build hate on next mob while you fighting first one so ya know it actually has a chance to keep hate. Also nice always having a sentinel for hundred fist
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By Unicorn.Nymphadora 2010-03-11 07:30:58
Remora.Starsha said: Garuda.Hypnotizd said: I didn't read the whole thread, but at the OP:
You were refreshing and hasting when you noticed them wore off or when you noticed that their MP wasn't going up? This is why I *** hate composure. It turns lazy RDMs into HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE RDMs.
Don't use composure during events or parties when you are expected to keep a haste/refresh cycle. The exception would be unless you are using yarnball or something to keep track of when the buffs will wear.
Cast Refresh on yourself, Haste on whoever you are hasting, refresh, haste, refresh, haste, etc. When your refresh wears you restart the cycle. It's not that hard to keep haste up full time like this and you'll be the first to know when refresh is going to wear on people.
Use composure on yourself, haste and refresh yourself, take it off and start the cycle on the rest of your party. Refresh lasts approximately three minutes which is slightly more than one game day. Haste lasts a little longer. Learn to watch the ingame clock and restart your cycle whenever one game hour passes. I like to start my cycle on :00 to make it easy. Keep that up and refresh and haste will never wear on your party. When your refresh wears, pop Composure, refresh & haste yourself, take it off. It keeps your timers down giving more time to /heal, debuff mobs, cure, w/e. It's easy and requires no third party tools.
It took me a while to get used to composure too but this is how I like to do it too. With composure, your refresh and haste should last three times as everyone else's. Just pop it, refresh/haste yourself, take it off and go about your business, you should be getting three cycles off on everyone else before yours wears. Just learn to time them and you'll be ok. Takes a little practice but IMO it's just as efficient if you like fresh/hasteing yourself and it saves you mp over time.
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By Bismarck.Animaal 2010-03-15 05:47:51
we only use one pld so if our pld dies then our DD are tanking the mobs until he's unweak lol.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2010-03-15 06:15:37
For some runs we dont even have a PLD so that leaves me, SAM/WAR main assist. Fun times!
By Damu 2010-03-17 02:01:17
I play rdm and pld in dynamis and all i hafta say is dont knock the pld until youve done and if you cant multi task on rdm then pick a new job
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By Kujata.Argettio 2010-03-17 03:18:33
Ragnarok.Daffel said: For some runs we dont even have a PLD so that leaves me, SAM/WAR main assist. Fun times!
We used use a MNK/NIN (low delay means quick re-engage times).
PLD has its uses, but once you group reaches a certain standard (high kill speed and sleepers that can handle themselves) then I would sooner take an extra DD than a PLD to City dynamis.
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By Seraph.Chasuro 2010-03-17 03:19:16
Fairy.Andrinne said: *** quit that jackass dynamis shell.
By Ferth 2010-03-22 12:24:57
Whoa whoa whoa... whoa... people take paladin to dynamis!?
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By Bahamut.Ashbringer 2010-04-24 11:58:58
What is the point of this thread, we aren't here to stroke your staff.
Why ask the question when you post such a load of yawn, and then have a go at everyone who says you suck.
No one cares.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2010-04-24 12:02:35
Bahamut.Ashbringer said: What is the point of this thread, we aren't here to stroke your staff.
Why ask the question when you post such a load of yawn, and then have a go at everyone who says you suck.
No one cares. Well the thread had died but then you posted so one could ask what was the point of you post?
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By Asura.Despayn 2010-04-24 12:07:33
Damu said: I play rdm and pld in dynamis and all i hafta say is dont knock the pld until youve done and if you cant multi task on rdm then pick a new job
There's absolutely no point to a PLD in Dynamis, unless you want some comfort if you just started a new shell. That's the only reason I can see for needing a PLD.
I don't have to play the job to know its worthless in almost all situations. Protip: I have PLD leveled.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-04-24 12:09:29
Avatan said: I come back from a 3month break 1st day playing I get into a dynamis run, end up getting stuck in the pld party, set up PLD PLD WHM RDM THF and some DD I think. I was refreshing and hasting the Plds and whm every time I saw it wear off or noticed there mp wasnt going up like it should with refresh on, then I died, never had chance to RR since the pulled right away, Then when I finaly get raise Ls leader tells me to make sure I keep Refresh and Haste on the main tank. Then at some point half way threw run the whm in the party left or d/c'd I dont know what happend to him. But I ended up being the only healer in the TANK party for like a hour or so. I was keeping refresh and haste on the main tank untill the blms didnt sleep mobs or something and I keep getting hate... Also I ended up being the ONLY person out of like a mix of 8 rdms whms and schs who where healing the PLDs the outside partys in the alliance who was healing them at certin points and they died because it was hard to keep them both alive while im getting hit also... and one of the plds for some reason was getting hit 300 every hit even my friend said something is wrong with there gear... anyway the leader ended up saying I was the worst rdm he has ever seen and kickd me even tho I was doing the best i could to try to keep them alive... so post back and tell me wht u think of this...
RDM is supposed to melee in Dynamis. Try meleeing next time, if anyone tells you to do anything but melee, they suxorz.
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 12:13:26
Asura.Despayn said: Damu said: I play rdm and pld in dynamis and all i hafta say is dont knock the pld until youve done and if you cant multi task on rdm then pick a new job
There's absolutely no point to a PLD in Dynamis, unless you want some comfort if you just started a new shell. That's the only reason I can see for needing a PLD.
I don't have to play the job to know its worthless in almost all situations. Protip: I have PLD leveled.
Well having 1 PLD can reduce death a lots, specialy on NM mnk. Is of course optional as you can just ask RDM to gravity mnk and blm can nuke it. But take xarcabar with NM mnk, you can't gravity him.
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By Fenrir.Fdeath 2010-04-24 12:14:58
Phoenix.Kojo said: Avatan said: I come back from a 3month break 1st day playing I get into a dynamis run, end up getting stuck in the pld party, set up PLD PLD WHM RDM THF and some DD I think. I was refreshing and hasting the Plds and whm every time I saw it wear off or noticed there mp wasnt going up like it should with refresh on, then I died, never had chance to RR since the pulled right away, Then when I finaly get raise Ls leader tells me to make sure I keep Refresh and Haste on the main tank. Then at some point half way threw run the whm in the party left or d/c'd I dont know what happend to him. But I ended up being the only healer in the TANK party for like a hour or so. I was keeping refresh and haste on the main tank untill the blms didnt sleep mobs or something and I keep getting hate... Also I ended up being the ONLY person out of like a mix of 8 rdms whms and schs who where healing the PLDs the outside partys in the alliance who was healing them at certin points and they died because it was hard to keep them both alive while im getting hit also... and one of the plds for some reason was getting hit 300 every hit even my friend said something is wrong with there gear... anyway the leader ended up saying I was the worst rdm he has ever seen and kickd me even tho I was doing the best i could to try to keep them alive... so post back and tell me wht u think of this...
RDM is supposed to melee in Dynamis. Try meleeing next time, if anyone tells you to do anything but melee, they suxorz.
rofl...
I come back from a 3month break 1st day playing I get into a dynamis run, end up getting stuck in the pld party, set up PLD PLD WHM RDM THF and some DD I think. I was refreshing and hasting the Plds and whm every time I saw it wear off or noticed there mp wasnt going up like it should with refresh on, then I died, never had chance to RR since the pulled right away, Then when I finaly get raise Ls leader tells me to make sure I keep Refresh and Haste on the main tank. Then at some point half way threw run the whm in the party left or d/c'd I dont know what happend to him. But I ended up being the only healer in the TANK party for like a hour or so. I was keeping refresh and haste on the main tank untill the blms didnt sleep mobs or something and I keep getting hate... Also I ended up being the ONLY person out of like a mix of 8 rdms whms and schs who where healing the PLDs the outside partys in the alliance who was healing them at certin points and they died because it was hard to keep them both alive while im getting hit also... and one of the plds for some reason was getting hit 300+ every hit even my friend said something is wrong with there gear... anyway the leader ended up saying I was the worst rdm he has ever seen and kickd me even tho I was doing the best i could to try to keep them alive... so post back and tell me wht u think of this...
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