Guillotine Vs. Insurgency

@Argettio

I failed to mention that I often party with rangers when I am on bard.. and whenever I only have 1 RNG I make sure to pianissimo Min3, but I really would be interested in finding out what would be "overall" better. Min/March for melee dd and double Min on the rng, or marchx2 and min/march on rng?

If you are going to suggest I do double march for melee and double min for rng and double ballad for healer.. x.x

Hard enough keep 5 songs up constant at the rate mob dies


Sorry for the late response, don't often read forums outside my LS ><

...and totally off topic too

The latter unless the RNGs are the majority of the party. Haste increases melee damage by such a significant exponential factor that other things cannot keep up.

I want haste and acc on my rng... granted I tp with a multihit weapon

Keeping in mind that MND + doesn't do anything for guillotine aside from increasing the duration and chance to stick silence

That and dmg...

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

Noooo this misinformation needs to die.

MND increases damage on Guillotine by virtue of WSC. Silence duration is a byproduct of TP. That is IT.

It is better for elvans to use guillotine, cause we have hax mind to begin with <.<

I have yet to get insurgency myself, but as a taru, I have like(atleast very close to) 30 more INT than MND, will that affect my insurgency vs guillo dmg alot?

better believe it. +30 mnd on guillotine is like 6.225 to base dmg, so say with capped fstr and 90ish dmg scythe I'd guess roundabout your base dmg would be around 130ish without that so like 4-5% dmg. Pretty much the same for insurgency cept more like 5 to base dmg.

I just checked, it isnt 30, but well, I have 74 base INT and 50 base MND, seeing how INT is a mod for insurgency, and mnd for guillo, I guess my dmg will be pretty much the same eh, but I guess Guillo will be better anyways?
(Unless maybe if I get epic augments on a martial scythe lol)

Meh math wise Guillotine wins handsdown though insurgency has some note about modded by attack alot... Same number of hits. Higher stat mods higher ftp for the first hit. But that being said the int to mind diff will close that gap. And you can get a bit more int than mnd easier... like say flame rings not like you shoudl really gear for int/mnd unless you are at the fstr cap and can get more than str in that slot. Or can get alot more before the fstr cap

Flame rings for insurgency and af+1 feet for guillo is really the only things I can think of lol.
Guess I should just get my *** up higher and finish the damn ws points ;_; (floor 40 onry)
Only real way to find out for me i guess

Assuming 100 STR (mainly for ease of maths), which shouldn't be an unrealistic number for a decently gear drk (even if it is a taru)

Taru WSC in insurgency
((100*0.2)+(74*0.2))*0.83 = 28 Floored

Taru WSC in guillotine
((100*0.25)+(50*0.25))*0.83 = 30 Floored

I don't have time to do the maths, but I would guess you would need 30 more INT than MND to make Insurgency's WSC > Guillotine's.

A split of 30 wouldn't be impossible (flame rings, INT merits for your blm etc) but unlikely, Guillotine is better than Insurgency (for pure damage) in all but extreme cases.

would cross reaper beat guillotine? b/c I've been in merit pt's where this one drk consistently out did a drk that was using guillotine

Most likely, that Cross Reaper DRK had really good gear or something. Even with Souleater, my Cross Reapers do about the same as an average unbuffed Guillotine. At 300, of course, Cross Reaper does more, but at that point Spiral Hell would beat both of them. Was the Cross Reaper DRK using Martial Scythe? Because at 200 TP (100 for that scythe) Cross Reaper is pretty good.

I'd guess it was some combination of good gear on the CR DRK, bad gear on the Guillo DRK (likely too little ACC), and the first DRK exploiting /THF to inflate WS numbers.

he was ws'ing in ~ death scythe~mythril grip+1, brutal earring, abyssal earring. flame ring, rajas ring, heca body, AF helm, black pants, warwolf belt, foragers, aurum boots, alky bracelets. he's 8/8 on scythe merits. he was consistently doing 900+ with roughly 100~140 tp lol. and he was subbing ninja

ya /thf borks the numbers, gotta pay attention to dot. Overall guilli will do more if geared the same unless your holding tp and thus killin' the dot.

Cross reaper is only a 2 hit enabling Reaper drk go more into str and not worry as much on his acc. What were the party buffs like? Guillo drk probably wasnt geared w/ enough acc or was underbuffed, maybe even both.

I know I've done a few 800's and I'm not the best geared drk out there.