Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
I am god
I like reading bitching, it makes me lol, then i like to feed the fire... to make me lol even more
I are amused also. I'm basically on house rest for the next 6 weeks, so I expect you all to keep me entertained until then <_>
Shiva.Darkshade said:
I am god
We have our proof.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
If that's true, how come are we able to make computers that process numbers even faster than our brain does, while we're struggling to even come close to creating a machine that has emotions? Numbers are predictable because those can be calculated and stored, made into mathematical functions, etc. How can you explain that we are relying so heavily on statistics to sell things? Don't we want people to be predictable and their thoughts to be quantifiable? In my understanding, the word "rational" refers to numbers. Emotions? We're barely starting to understand that ***because it's way too damn complicated. This is what I meant to say. You're right about the emotional response, and that people can be manipulated using this. Keep in mind that: the lower their emotional intelligence, the easier it is to manipulate them using this technique. You could have an extremely high IQ with zero emotional intelligence, he could understand how to turn off an exploding atom bomb, but if you put him in a set situation, with set criterias, he will react the same way twice. This is what I refer to when I say "predictable". Try it, it works...
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
But i don't think Religion is a tool for murder <.<
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Sylph.Dobrusi said:
Bulleta, I had to comment on your opening post....I felt compelled and it's the only time I've ever posted on this. As a Christian, I have a hard time with this conversation because I think too many Christians are too judgemental and portray themselves as being perfect. I believe there is a heaven and a hell. I wasn't always a strong believer but like many I know, Jesus changed my life. I'm not going to preach, I just wanted to offer my story if you are interested in hearing it. PM me or whatever you like :)
As far as guns killing people, I don't agree with the rights to bear arms being taken away from us. This is a fear many have with our current president, obama. He is totally wrong for our country on many levels, buts thats another story.
I just felt compelled to comment guys, no offense to anyone and what they believe. Google "Joel Osteen" if you ever want to learn more about the lord. He has so many stories which are so interesting!!
As far as guns killing people, I don't agree with the rights to bear arms being taken away from us. This is a fear many have with our current president, obama. He is totally wrong for our country on many levels, buts thats another story.
I just felt compelled to comment guys, no offense to anyone and what they believe. Google "Joel Osteen" if you ever want to learn more about the lord. He has so many stories which are so interesting!!
Guns are fun.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
But i don't think Religion is a tool for murder <.<
Dasva:1
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U didn't see that on the news? <.< said some ffxi player named Dasva convinced someone to kill a bunch of people. U must not watch alot of news.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Technically anyone under the exact same circumstances will react the same everytime. Also we actually are making machines that mimic emotions and even read them and respond. The reason why it is harder for computers or programmers to come up with is because it isn't as simple. It's like Go. Go is a game completely based on skill and strategy but it doesn't follow simple I capture this for gain rules. That makes it hard for computers. Last I checked the best programs barely compete at high end amateur level. These are computers and processing millions of bites of data every second being beat by amateurs... somethings are just alot harder to put a number next to. Doesn't mean they can't be figured out. Plenty of people make a living off of predicting people. Both individual and groups in many different fields.
Anyone will? That's quite an assumption!
I'm not sure if saying that the fact a human can beat a chess program (to pick a game everyone knows) is a proof that emotions are predictable. The game of chess is still limited to a set number of possibilities and this is the reason why making a chess program is even possible.
Try making a talking program that can handle a philosophy debate now. The fact that a human can beat an "all-powerful" program is attributed to this very point I'm trying to make... that the guy had feelings to help him win, while the machine was predictable (since it's purely rational). I believe you're pretty much agreeing with me after all... :)
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
But i don't think Religion is a tool for murder <.<
Dasva:1
Other suckers:0
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
But i don't think Religion is a tool for murder <.<
Dasva:1
Other suckers:0
Ur the guy who makes people cry and and i bet u like waffles.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Technically anyone under the exact same circumstances will react the same everytime. Also we actually are making machines that mimic emotions and even read them and respond. The reason why it is harder for computers or programmers to come up with is because it isn't as simple. It's like Go. Go is a game completely based on skill and strategy but it doesn't follow simple I capture this for gain rules. That makes it hard for computers. Last I checked the best programs barely compete at high end amateur level. These are computers and processing millions of bites of data every second being beat by amateurs... somethings are just alot harder to put a number next to. Doesn't mean they can't be figured out. Plenty of people make a living off of predicting people. Both individual and groups in many different fields.
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ur the guy who makes people cry and and i bet u like waffles.
wtf..page 18...funniest ***ever..lmfao
gotta love carlin
gotta love carlin
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Not really agreeing with you. It's more like we haven't learned how to program fuzzy logic that well yet. though we are getting better. The human mind can make crazy intuitive leaps that completely surpass any computer. Hence why humans still win at a more complex game like Go but computers win at relatively simple games like chess. A computer requires a rediculous amount of calculation to figure out something as simple as trajectory of a thrown object compared to what a person would. I remember we actually had something like that in physics class and were graded on how close we got. my eyeballing got way closer than anyones calculated answer and required now crazy high level calculating. Or alot of people can tell when it's gunna rain or something but could no way do all the work a computer would require to figure it out
I'm having a hard time seeing how you disagree with me, as what you call "fuzzy logic" for a lack of better wording, is exactly what I call "emotional". But anyway, maybe the only thing keeping us from understanding each others is that my own definition of what "rational" means isn't something you seem to being wanting to agree with, or even grasp.
You may disagree with the definition, but that was the basis of my "theory" in the first place so it's gonna be difficult for you to prove me wrong if you just use assign a different meaning to the word "rational" or "emotional". Maybe you haven't noticed because there's too much text in here, but I've been trying to define rational versus emotional all along. To me, there's more to it than what you assume.
To me, those two things are almost like opposites:
Rational = numbers.
Emotional = ***we don't understand much cause it involves variables that can hardly be quantified.
I'm not even sure this is correct. It's "interesting" at best.
Seraph.Xdudemanx said:
gotta love carlin
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Seraph.Xdudemanx said:
gotta love carlin
Heineken!!! I totally believe in Heineken. I have faith in Heineken, as a matter of fact, all you infidels will perish because you drink Carling which is pagan. That's what the Heineken God says. And I'm right.
Good night guys I'll check the thread tomorrow cause my wireless mouse is dead and browsing this forum with a keyboard is painful.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
But anyway, maybe the only thing keeping us from understanding each others is that my own definition of what "rational" means isn't something you seem to being wanting to agree with, or even grasp.
Rational = numbers.
Emotional = ***we don't understand much cause it involves variables that can hardly be quantified.
I'm not even sure this is correct. It's "interesting" at best.
Rational = numbers.
Emotional = ***we don't understand much cause it involves variables that can hardly be quantified.
I'm not even sure this is correct. It's "interesting" at best.
There are plenty of things we can't yet quantify that we do understand and can predict. Or if you want to take the macrosopic interaction out you could theoretically predict everything by the movement of subatomic particals and then convert that into what happens and ***.
Seraph.Xdudemanx said:
wtf is carling? lmfao
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Seraph.Xdudemanx said:
wtf is carling? lmfao
wtf is Dasva?
1. Galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun, but that went against the teaching of the church so they placed him under house arrest untill he died. Guess what? The Earth revolves around the sun.
2. God created everything, but who created god?
3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :)
4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve.
~~1. God created Adam & Eve.
~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve.
5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans.
6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius.
7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species?
8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell...
2. God created everything, but who created god?
3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :)
4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve.
~~1. God created Adam & Eve.
~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve.
5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans.
6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius.
7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species?
8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell...
Seraph.Bulleta said:
1. Galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun, but that went against the teaching of the church so they placed him under house arrest untill he died. Guess what? The Earth revolves around the sun.
2. God created everything, but who created god?
3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :)
4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve.
~~1. God created Adam & Eve.
~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve.
5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans.
6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius.
7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species?
8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell...
2. God created everything, but who created god?
3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :)
4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve.
~~1. God created Adam & Eve.
~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve.
5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans.
6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius.
7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species?
8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell...
and all the wrong doing of the church were done hundreds of years ago.
Maybe if religions were telling their followers to kill and hurt people you'd have a point, but they don't. So stop seeing everything through your spectrum or shush.
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9/11 wasn't hundreds of years ago.
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Seraph.Bulleta said:
9/11 wasn't hundreds of years ago.
I read it...I know it doesnt say it in there. But I'm pretty sure you werent smart enough to figure out how to open the old testament to the first page.
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Seraph.Bulleta said:
9/11 wasn't hundreds of years ago.
9/11 also wasn't solely or primarily an act driven by a religious fundamentalist cause.
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Asura.Obsydian said:
Seraph.Bulleta said:
9/11 wasn't hundreds of years ago.
9/11 also wasn't solely or primarily an act driven by a religious fundamentalist cause.
Nothing is ever driven by any one thing alone.
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Seraph.Bulleta said:
Nothing is ever driven by any one thing alone.
That statement by itself pretty much negates any point you're trying to drive home about religion here.
Back to the 9/11 thing, to assume that Muslim fundamentalism really had any bearing whatsoever on those attacks is weak logic at best. Not that acts of violence throughout history haven't been solely based on differences of faith, but with this case in particular that you decided to use as an example, pulling the factor of zealotry from the equation would still have resulted in the same outcome.
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