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Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
 Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:04:30
Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door.
You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination.
Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion.
lol Do you even know what discrimination is?
You should look it up =P
 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:05:24
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: I say the atheist start making pamphlets and go knocking on doors to show the ones that do believe what it feels like. Actually I was talking to a guy ig about that this morning lol. Maybe even start up a church of atheism. Go irony
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:06:09
I'm not saying it as a literal definition, saying that because i don't know the definition word for word is kind of stupid.
But what i'm saying is why do you have to make fun of religion? its like making fun of a persons race and heritage.
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-12-02 17:06:24
Seraph.Bulleta said: No sir. I was implying that believing in an invisible man in the sky, who is all powerful, who knows knows all, sees all, and so on... Is childish... And people believe this... Shocking Not sure what you're trying to say here. Yes you're attacking people's beliefs, I know that already, so what else (insert preferred holy book/lack of book) thumper?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:07:16
Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door. You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination. Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion. Making fun of someone for how they were born is completely different then making fun of them for how they act/believe/other choices they make. You'd probably find it silly if someone your age still had an imaginary friend no? But it is ok if alot of people have the same one?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:07:50
Unicorn.Tarowyn
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-12-02 17:08:30
Seraph.Bulleta said: 3 Groups.. 2 Groups.. 1 Group.. They still do it. I get it 4-5 times a month, so there must be a lot of them <.< Man, where do you live? lol
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:09:00
Gilgamesh.Andras said: I'm not saying it as a literal definition, saying that because i don't know the definition word for word is kind of stupid.
But what i'm saying is why do you have to make fun of religion? its like making fun of a persons race and heritage.
I wasn't asking you for a word-for-word definition. Hell, I can't quote the definition...
I was asking you if you know the.. meaning.. of.. the.. word.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:09:13
Why am i automatically wrong and you automatically right?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:10:47
Seraph.Bulleta
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:10:55
I didn't force you to read my threads :)
That was your choice.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:11:41
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Why am i automatically wrong and you automatically right? Nothing is automatically right or wrong. That's why there is stuff called facts and proof
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-12-02 17:12:54
Seraph.Bulleta said: I didn't force you to read my threads :) That was your choice. Noone forces you to open the door either, can just check the peephole and walk away!
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:13:16
Ramuh.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door. You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination. Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion. Making fun of someone for how they were born is completely different then making fun of them for how they act/believe/other choices they make. You'd probably find it silly if someone your age still had an imaginary friend no? But it is ok if alot of people have the same one?
It's not up for you to decide for them if it's imaginary or not. Not as a government anyway, that would be pushing your belief on others.
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:13:18
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Why am i automatically wrong and you automatically right?
Because you have no clue what discrimination even is, and I could look up the definition and quote it for you, but you still probably wouldn't get it.
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:13:30
Eh, from what you guys have said... ur saying ur right and im wrong
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:14:35
Bismarck.Ebonie said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door. You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination. Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion. Making fun of someone for how they were born is completely different then making fun of them for how they act/believe/other choices they make. You'd probably find it silly if someone your age still had an imaginary friend no? But it is ok if alot of people have the same one?
It's not up for you to decide for them if it's imaginary or not. Not as a government anyway, that would be pushing your belief on others.
Ok, if he's not imaginary. Where is he? I want to see this unimaginary imaginary man :O Does he look like Santa Clause?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:14:39
Titan.Tails said: Seraph.Bulleta said: I didn't force you to read my threads :) That was your choice. No one forced you to open your door. That was your choice. Yeah but you keep rining my doorbell. Gets annoying. But no that's usually what I do. Though not all dress up to let you know what they are about. Sneaky ***
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-02 17:15:16
Uh, i dont really care about a definition, if u dont understand what i was trying to say, u are the idiot.
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-12-02 17:15:27
Seraph.Bulleta said: No sir.
I was implying that believing in an invisible man in the sky, who is all powerful, who knows knows all, sees all, and so on...
Is childish...
And people believe this... Shocking
I pretty certain the whole point we're trying to make is that by coming here and posting this ***in the first place, as well as comments as the one I've quoted above, really just makes YOU appear childish and insecure about your own beliefs. You're simply persecuting others for their beliefs, and that makes you no better than the "bible thumpers" you claim to hate.
It's a belief. No one ever said it had to be true, that's the whole definition of a belief. Don't believe me? Look it up or find a different source you might more easily understand
The point is that if you had any small amount of maturity or respect for others, you would have just kept your mouth shut and your opinions and beliefs to yourself, like you want so many of us to do.
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By Ramuh.Lilbusta 2009-12-02 17:15:41
Seraph.Bulleta said: Bismarck.Ebonie said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door. You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination. Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion. Making fun of someone for how they were born is completely different then making fun of them for how they act/believe/other choices they make. You'd probably find it silly if someone your age still had an imaginary friend no? But it is ok if alot of people have the same one? It's not up for you to decide for them if it's imaginary or not. Not as a government anyway, that would be pushing your belief on others. Ok, if he's not imaginary. Where is he? I want to see this unimaginary imaginary man :O Does he look like Santa Claus?
Fixed.
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-02 17:15:48
Titan.Tails said: Seraph.Bulleta said: I didn't force you to read my threads :)
That was your choice.
No one forced you to open your door.
That was your choice.
There is a big difference in coming to a public forum, and actually coming to my house.
But your brain can't process that can it?
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:16:17
getting calls to vote for a certain political figure get annoying too, oh and telemarketers.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:16:57
Bismarck.Ebonie said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: That is being as bad as the guy who knocks on your door. You're making fun of our beliefs, that is discrimination. Are you going around making fun of peoples races? No, so stfu about religion. Making fun of someone for how they were born is completely different then making fun of them for how they act/believe/other choices they make. You'd probably find it silly if someone your age still had an imaginary friend no? But it is ok if alot of people have the same one? It's not up for you to decide for them if it's imaginary or not. Not as a government anyway, that would be pushing your belief on others. Actually it's not up to people to decide if something is imaginary. It either is or isn't. Here let me define imaginary for you
existing only in imagination : lacking factual reality
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:17:23
Not really. You don't have to talk to them if you don't want to. That's choice. The only difference is you could punch them if you wanted.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-02 17:18:10
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-02 17:18:43
You can't prove that a god doesn't exist either. Nothing is absolute, in science or religion.
A lot of the people in this world believe we need to regulate drugs and guns to make this a safer place. I have a different insight. I think if you're going to regulate one thing that has the most potential to cause death and destruction, it should be religion. Religion is dangerous, and I don't say this out of bitterness. I was raised catholic. I was never molested, but.. Meh i'm a little insulted lol. I was attractive, so hey it was their loss.
What I have against religion is... They start you when you are so defensless. I was 3 years old when they started pumping this BS into my head. I believed in Santa Clause and the Fairy Godmother, ofcourse I believed in virgin birth, a guy that lived in a whale, and a woman came from a rib. But then, something very important happened to me that made me doubt all of it. I graduated the 6th grade :)
What is so hard about saying "I don't know" !?
Ofcourse there are questions that plaque all of us...
How did we get here?
What happens when we die?
Is there a heaven?
Am I on the list?
Who let the dogs out?
So why would you believe some other human being (Who's brain "I promise you is no bigger or better than your own") when he tells you he knows what happens when you die?
"Don't masturbate now, or you won't get to hang out with Jesus in heaven! How do I know!? I've got a pointy hat! I have a hat, and a robe, I have smoke and a wand!"... It's so gay.
Every Sunday is like a pageant with the costumes, the wands, the goblets, the smoke, and the men kneeling down in front of other men with their mouths open.. Nothing gay about that!
Religion, easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, and smoke, and burning, and torture, and anguish, where he will send you to live to burn, and suffer, and choke, and scream, and cry forever and ever untill the end of time. BuT He LoVeS YoU <3 <3 <3 <3
He loves you and he always needs MONEY! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, but somehow he just can't handle money o.O!! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more $$$$$ Talk about a good bullshit story.. Holyshit!
This is Sincere: When it came to believing in god, I really tried. I wanted to believe that there was a god who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I tried, but the longer you live, the more you look around, and the more you realize that something is ????d up:
(War Disease Death Destruction Hunger Filth Poverty Torture Crime)
This is not good work. If this is the best god can do, I am not impressed. A results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. These are the results you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.
Between you and me... In any feasibly ran universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago. I say guy, because if there really is a god he has to be a man. No woman could or would ever ???? things up like this ^.^
If there is a god, I think that most reasonable people would agree that he is atleast incompetent, and maybe.. Just maybe.. He doesn't give a shit. Which I admire in a person, and it would explain a lot of these bad results. So instead of being just another mindless-religious robot, mindlessly.. Aimlessly.. Blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompitent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to find something else to worship. Something I could actually count on...
I immidiatly thought of the sun. Overnight, just like that. I became a sun worshipper, but not overnight because you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning....
Several reasons...
First of all, I can see the sun. (Unlike a few other gods I know). I'm big on that, if I can see something it kind of helps the credibility. So everyday I can see the sun as it gives me everything I need: Light, Heat, Food, Flowers in the Park, Reflections in the Lake, the occasional skin cancer but hey.. Atleast there are no crucifixions and setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worshipping is simple. There are no mysteries, no miracles, no pageantry, noone asks for money, no songs to learn, and we don't have a building we gather together in once a week to compare clothing.
Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? Its god's will~? It will be done. Fine, but if it's god's will, he is going to do what he wants to anyway... Why the hell pray for it in the first place? Couldn't you just skip the paying, and just go straight to god's will?
I do believe prayers are answered though.. Maybe at a 50% rate! Half the time I get what I want. Half of the time I don't. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the wishing well, the rabbit's foot, the mojo man, same as the voodoo lady that tells you fortune by squeezing a goat's testicle. It's all the same.. 50/50... So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and sit back and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to the bible for moral lessons, and literary qualities... I'll suggest a few other stories for you... You might want to look at:
~The Three Little Pigs (It has a nice happy ending)
~Little Red Riding Hood (Although it has that X-rated part where the wolf actually eats the grandmother)
~Humpty Dumpty (All the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.)
If there is a God, may he strike me dead!....
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o.O Nothing happened... lol
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