SMN/SCH..
SMN/SCH..
good? bad? was planning on lvling it to sub for smn, but was told that,i lose auto refresh with it. true? or should i not bother lvling the job?
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um... auto refresh is native to SMN and SCH is your best sub job option. It can do every WHM can and gives you sublimation and drain/aspir.
Have you even played SMN? This isn't a question a 75 SMN should be asking.
No, you do not lose Auto Refresh, in fact, you gain an extra 2 MP/tic Refresh through Sublimation, as well as a 10% Fast Cast bonus and casting time decrease. You also get access to a perfectly suitable Sleep spell, and Drain and Aspir, as well as quite a few other spells to put to use SMN's high INT and MND.
At this point in time, no SMN should ever use anything other than SCH, unless you cannot avoid being hit, because that's really all you lose. Stoneskin/Blink.
No, you do not lose Auto Refresh, in fact, you gain an extra 2 MP/tic Refresh through Sublimation, as well as a 10% Fast Cast bonus and casting time decrease. You also get access to a perfectly suitable Sleep spell, and Drain and Aspir, as well as quite a few other spells to put to use SMN's high INT and MND.
At this point in time, no SMN should ever use anything other than SCH, unless you cannot avoid being hit, because that's really all you lose. Stoneskin/Blink.
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someone probably told him that you lose auto-refresh when using sublimation.
He may have been told Auto Regen, but mistook it to mean Auto Refresh. That's my guess.
Siren.Enternius said:
Have you even played SMN? This isn't a question a 75 SMN should be asking.
Lol, I love how you're always so needlessly patronising.
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I'm not saying "Go quit SMN you failure."
I'm saying, if you got a job trait at LV25, you should know it by 75.
I'm saying, if you got a job trait at LV25, you should know it by 75.
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Shiva.Dwyte said:
good? bad? was planning on lvling it to sub for smn, but was told that,i lose auto refresh with it. true? or should i not bother lvling the job?
Good. Very good. You do NOT lose auto-refresh.
/sch trumps /whm in almost all cases, and the only cases /whm is better is when you have a rdm that WILL refresh you 24/7, or when you NEED SS/blink.
/sch is worth having.
I still mainly go smn/whm though...my smn doesnt do much, when it does get used I kinda like having erase (like at odin) or self stoneskin (when I solo harder mobs) and tele spells (cause now there are those books near the krags and I can warp home!)
sublimation is really cool, it just depends on what you're doing. Im sure most rdms wouldnt mind not refreshing you if you'd prefer to use sub. instead.
I still mainly go smn/whm though...my smn doesnt do much, when it does get used I kinda like having erase (like at odin) or self stoneskin (when I solo harder mobs) and tele spells (cause now there are those books near the krags and I can warp home!)
sublimation is really cool, it just depends on what you're doing. Im sure most rdms wouldnt mind not refreshing you if you'd prefer to use sub. instead.
Yea, just cause someone doesnt know something as simple as it may be to you don't mean you can cut on em ~_^
Moving on I'm positive someone meant to say "You cant be refreshed. Thus the whole refresh crap with Sublimation.
/SCH pwns, end of topic >_>
~1 more thing, /sch is not for soloing! (Assuming we're talkin about 75 solo).
Moving on I'm positive someone meant to say "You cant be refreshed. Thus the whole refresh crap with Sublimation.
/SCH pwns, end of topic >_>
~1 more thing, /sch is not for soloing! (Assuming we're talkin about 75 solo).
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Don't really know why you'd think you'd lose a job trait of your main by activating an ability from your sub but anyways... Sublim just doesn't stack with the refresh spell, it stacks with all others ballad, evokers etc.
I really only use /SCH for campaign, spirit taker + sublim + sigil, is great mp wise. Or for things where I don't care if the mob beats up on my a lil, anything that hits hard you don't want to be /SCH unless you wish to waste your BP and mp spamming E.Ward...
I really only use /SCH for campaign, spirit taker + sublim + sigil, is great mp wise. Or for things where I don't care if the mob beats up on my a lil, anything that hits hard you don't want to be /SCH unless you wish to waste your BP and mp spamming E.Ward...
i know its a job triat, i was told that it gets cancled out, and i was confused because of the simple fact, until recently i never really played smn after getting it to 75, took a while so took a breadk. i was told auto refresh gets canceld out w/ sublimation up or somethin, i know hardly anything about sch, which is why i was asking
i see how my op coulda been a bit confusing, i was talking about how you suposedly lose auto refresh w/ sublimation up
i see how my op coulda been a bit confusing, i was talking about how you suposedly lose auto refresh w/ sublimation up
Siren.Enternius said:
I'm not saying "Go quit SMN you failure." I'm saying, if you got a job trait at LV25, you should know it by 75.
Lol you're pretty stupid. He was asking if he should level SCH for a sub job, so maybe...(I'll take it slow for you) He... Has... Not... Played... SCH... Yet... So how could he know a lv25 job trait on 75SCH, if he hasn't played it yet?
Seraph.Bulleta said:
Siren.Enternius said:
I'm not saying "Go quit SMN you failure." I'm saying, if you got a job trait at LV25, you should know it by 75.
im 75 smn, 0 sch, i know i have auto refresh JT ; ;
[/quote] im 75 smn, 0 sch, i know i have auto refresh JT ; ;[/quote]
I wasn't talking to you XD I was talking to Enternius.
I wasn't talking to you XD I was talking to Enternius.
oh haha, anyways all i was woundering is if i lose auto refresh when sublimation is up, i simply dont know much about sch cept it aoe spells lol
Seraph.Bulleta said:
Siren.Enternius said:
I'm not saying "Go quit SMN you failure." I'm saying, if you got a job trait at LV25, you should know it by 75.
Um, the lv25 job trait is smn not sch and he's 75smn >.>
Perhaps Bulleta mistyped and meant the lv.35 job trait of Sublimation of SCH, a job the OP has never leveled?
With enough perp- gear, some instances of having /whm is just the same as /sch.
Speaking of a NM soloing SMN of course.
I for one love having /SCH as SMN, start out with Sublimation, have it full before I fight anything hard, and start doing my thing.
No stoneskin or blink? That is fixed. Hi2u Earthen Ward and Aerial Armor. I know they are 1 minute or less BPs, and when a SMN solos s/he doesn't have time to put them on....but when a SMN solos, if they are getting hit, they are doing it wrong.
Only real time a SMN/WHM > SMN/SCH is if you have to travel alot (missions/quests) or need that "escape" out of a tight situation (if you know you will not win the fight, but have enough time to run away and cast Teleport-GTFO).
Otherwise, go /SCH.
Speaking of a NM soloing SMN of course.
I for one love having /SCH as SMN, start out with Sublimation, have it full before I fight anything hard, and start doing my thing.
No stoneskin or blink? That is fixed. Hi2u Earthen Ward and Aerial Armor. I know they are 1 minute or less BPs, and when a SMN solos s/he doesn't have time to put them on....but when a SMN solos, if they are getting hit, they are doing it wrong.
Only real time a SMN/WHM > SMN/SCH is if you have to travel alot (missions/quests) or need that "escape" out of a tight situation (if you know you will not win the fight, but have enough time to run away and cast Teleport-GTFO).
Otherwise, go /SCH.
I have both and used both. My preference is still to sub /whm, but that's me.
It's nice to have both, but I'd prefer to have stoneskin and blink ready when I want them then not.
It's nice to have both, but I'd prefer to have stoneskin and blink ready when I want them then not.
I agree with you.
Some deaths I suffered as /SCH, if only if I had Aquaveil, Stoneskin, and maybe Blink, I would have survived.
And some deaths I suffered as /WHM, if only if I had sublimation up, I would have survived.
I personally believe that each death you take brings you closer to understanding your job.
Some deaths I suffered as /SCH, if only if I had Aquaveil, Stoneskin, and maybe Blink, I would have survived.
And some deaths I suffered as /WHM, if only if I had sublimation up, I would have survived.
I personally believe that each death you take brings you closer to understanding your job.
I'm also lacking the ACP perp-2, af-1 feet, and nashira hands. So, I have to rest a bit more often. That being the case I don't find as much use for /sch.
I also don't solo hard stuff on my smn, so it usually isn't any issue. I love smn, but it only gets brought out for uninvited guests/fire in the sky each week. I don't have as much use for it, sadly.
I also don't solo hard stuff on my smn, so it usually isn't any issue. I love smn, but it only gets brought out for uninvited guests/fire in the sky each week. I don't have as much use for it, sadly.
ren.Enternius said:
At this point in time, no SMN should ever use anything other than SCH, unless you cannot avoid being hit, because that's really all you lose. Stoneskin/Blink.
Use Earthen Ward right after you use Sublimation.
That "should" last you the entire Sublimation. Unless you are a Galka.
Then God help us all, another Galka SMN....
That "should" last you the entire Sublimation. Unless you are a Galka.
Then God help us all, another Galka SMN....
On any mobs with mp Smn/Sch is king. Farming for a coffer key in Toraimarai Coffer on beetles you can fight with Garuda out without ever stopping. 30Sec Aspir, Sublimation, Spirit Taker over and over = just awesome and that was before the extra -2 prep from avatar favor.
/whm is still nice with erase, ss and blink at your disposal plus some people just like sticking to what works
but
/sch is definetly a great sub to have.
/whm is still nice with erase, ss and blink at your disposal plus some people just like sticking to what works
but
/sch is definetly a great sub to have.
I know it's not directly related to OP, but for stuff like farming coffer keys, I like to use SMN/THF. Obvious TH bonus, but you can also SA Spirit Taker for +300~ MP and perpetuate avatars practically indefinitely.
1 point i don't think been addressed is smn/sch is even better if you trying to do the latent on a conjerer's ring for the -1 perp cost. cus with /whm you have that pesky auto regen messing up latent.
since they give /sch the reraise ability that no longer a issue, so smn/sch is the best sub.
smn/sch can solo just has good as /whm. with sublimiation to keep your mp up & avatar favour to keep mp cost down, can go forever.
ps. in campaign battle for fun i do smn/dnc with aspir drain & spirit taker mp never a issue, I also knew a smn/sam once, not good for end game but great for fun stuff (don't knock it till you try it).
A game is about having fun go out test new stuff you'll be suprised of what combos can work.
since they give /sch the reraise ability that no longer a issue, so smn/sch is the best sub.
smn/sch can solo just has good as /whm. with sublimiation to keep your mp up & avatar favour to keep mp cost down, can go forever.
ps. in campaign battle for fun i do smn/dnc with aspir drain & spirit taker mp never a issue, I also knew a smn/sam once, not good for end game but great for fun stuff (don't knock it till you try it).
A game is about having fun go out test new stuff you'll be suprised of what combos can work.
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didnt see anyone mention erase..
for the majority of things a smn will do eg wise, /sch will usually be a fine/best way to go. there are still definitely some cases where /whm is the eg mage subjob of choice though.
einherjar and dynamis are good examples imo. sometimes JUST erase and lynas are definitely enough to be making blms, smns, rdms, ***even drgs, sub whm.
for the majority of things a smn will do eg wise, /sch will usually be a fine/best way to go. there are still definitely some cases where /whm is the eg mage subjob of choice though.
einherjar and dynamis are good examples imo. sometimes JUST erase and lynas are definitely enough to be making blms, smns, rdms, ***even drgs, sub whm.
Caitsith.Blurr said:
didnt see anyone mention erase.. for the majority of things a smn will do eg wise, /sch will usually be a fine/best way to go. there are still definitely some cases where /whm is the eg mage subjob of choice though. einherjar and dynamis are good examples imo. sometimes JUST erase and lynas are definitely enough to be making blms, smns, rdms, ***even drgs, sub whm.
Asura.Korpg said:
Caitsith.Blurr said:
didnt see anyone mention erase.. for the majority of things a smn will do eg wise, /sch will usually be a fine/best way to go. there are still definitely some cases where /whm is the eg mage subjob of choice though. einherjar and dynamis are good examples imo. sometimes JUST erase and lynas are definitely enough to be making blms, smns, rdms, ***even drgs, sub whm.
very effective bloodpact sometimes, yes. sometimes its still necessary to have erase SPELL though, and sometimes a lot of it, as i said. depending on how many people/what jobs people had to come to certain events... if someone leading the show told you to come smn/whm for erase/lynas, and you told them "why, we have spring water, which is 100~ mp and at best only able to be used every 45 secs", they should just bench you for said event and tough it out just a little bit harder imo.
edit: your an officer and help lead the show i forgot. you know what your doing >.>, my bad.
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