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Chemist and Gunbreaker are the coolest options in my mind. I want more healer options and more Tank/Ranged options
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
Chemist and Gunbreaker are the coolest options in my mind. I want more healer options and more Tank/Ranged options
A combination of both of these jobs would be kind of fitting in a way. Monberaux is a Chemist, but he also has the JA "Cover", which makes him by definition a Paladin or sub PLD. He's literally a Chemist-Tank (though, I think his lore is simply that he's a Doctor, so he cares for his patients via medicine and protects them from harm mid-battle). He also doesn't move much mid-battle, always standing at "Range" xD. If he was given a gun, that would be your Gun Mage
I think that would be a fascinating idea to explore: A hybrid tank~healer job. It's kind of what they envisioned DNC would be, except it's got a lot going on (melee dps, healer, and tanking capabilities) and most people just use it as a spike DD and rarely the other two. They gave PLD Majesty recently, though, and current meta already uses PLD as a main healer and tank-in-one.
Chemist would be my pick for a new job. All of the "bones" of the job are coded in Monberaux, they'd just need to figure out the weaponry aspect.
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Asura.Toralin said: »
I guess ask 10 different people get 10 different answers. the v25 atonement 3 fights were the best fights IMO. Truthfully the most fun and challenging single fights I have ever done and enjoyed. I still remember getting the first v25 Ongo down on Asura, and just like sweating all over watching the timer count down and trying to get the last 1%. Getting a double wild card luck, the silence on the discord on the last skillchain. Adreline took hours to wear off.
Oh my god...Playing FFXI (and romanticizing Ody v25) is exactly like being in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser. *** ...lmao. If you love it so much, why don't you go help the 90% of the player base that doesn't have it? ...oh god, I want to throw up.
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Felgarr said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
I guess ask 10 different people get 10 different answers. the v25 atonement 3 fights were the best fights IMO. Truthfully the most fun and challenging single fights I have ever done and enjoyed. I still remember getting the first v25 Ongo down on Asura, and just like sweating all over watching the timer count down and trying to get the last 1%. Getting a double wild card luck, the silence on the discord on the last skillchain. Adreline took hours to wear off.
Oh my god...Playing FFXI (and romanticizing Ody v25) is exactly like being in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser. *** ...lmao. If you love it so much, why don't you go help the 90% of the player base that doesn't have it? ...oh god, I want to throw up.
yes, so you could sell he's account later lol.
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Regarding bidder/auctionhelper - someone, I think it was Thorny, mentioned SE does monitor multiple bids done within 1sec, which is not possible in game.
Auctionhelper will not let you bid too quickly if you have the AH window open while you're using it.
Isn't that just Ranger?
Auctionhelper will not let you bid too quickly if you have the AH window open while you're using it.
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
Gunbreaker
Isn't that just Ranger?
Dodik said: »
I think it was Thorny
Probably 3-4 years ago at this point, but I had an account suspended within 2 days of using AH packets to buy Alexandrite(at a rate of one bid/3sec, not even max speed). I wasn't leaving it running, my version autostops when a bid fails, so I just cleared out AH. I assumed it was for botting at the time, so I logged back in and did nothing besides buy alex the same way the following few days before it got permaed. I didn't even leave Nashmau.
So, I can decisively say that at one point in time it was clearly banworthy. Not a whole lot of things where you can tie a ban to one specific activity, so I've been ultra cautious about sticking to the legit cooldown since then.
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Bosses Source Gallimaufry Basement Bosses 40000 Aminon 30000 Upper Floor Bosses 8000 Area E Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 75 E Mob Count 49 E Mob Galli 3675 49 Mobs × 75 Rematerialize 2756 E Casket #1 300 Esurient Botulus 435 Total Galli 7166 Area D Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 69 D Mob Count 87 D Mob Galli 6003 87 Mobs × 69 Rematerialize 1 4502 Rematerialize 2 3376 Demisang Deleterious 375 Coffer 500 Chest 100 Total Galli 14856 Area C Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 56 C Mob Count 61 C Mob Galli 3416 61 Mobs × 56 Rematerialize 1 2562 Rematerialize 2 1921 Cachaemic Bhoot 315 Coffer 500 Chest 100 Total Galli 8814 Area B Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 45 B Mob Count 88 B Mob Galli 3960 88 Mobs × 45 Rematerialize 1 2970 Rematerialize 2 Biune Porxie 255 Coffer 500 Chest 100 Total Galli 7785 Area A Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 33 A Mob Count 92 A Mob Galli 3036 92 Mobs × 33 Rematerialize 1 Rematerialize 2 Abject Obdella 195 Coffer 500 Chest 100 Aurum Coffer 1000 Total Galli 4831 Area H Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 87 H Mob Count 69 H Mob Galli 6003 69 Mobs × 87 Haughty Tulittia 480 Casket #1 + #2 600 Total Galli 7083 G Naakuals 2058 H Naakuals 2058 E Naakuals 2058 F Naakuals 2058 Basement Aurum Coffer 3000 Area F Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 81 F Mob Count 39 F Mob Galli 3159 39 Mobs × 81 Fetid Ixion 450 Casket #2 300 Total Galli 3909 Area G Source Gallimaufry Notes Average Mob Galli 85 G Mob Count 53 G Mob Galli 4505 53 Mobs × 87 Gyvewrapped Naraka 465 Casket #2 300 Total Galli 5270 Gallimaufry Notes Midrun Total 70946 Boss Total 78000 Combined Total 148946 Midrun + Boss
Preliminary calculations as I've only spent a couple days getting a feel for cleaving the new sectors, but this seems reasonable with a better pulling approach.
Something funny I also realized is it's possible to do this with no risk of 5/6 of the accounts of being banned, as technically only the Paladin needs to use Tako.
So hypothetically speaking, someone could run a setup with 5/6 "mains" and 1 burner account (being the PLD) and be able to get potentially 130k-140k/run without any of the main accounts being banned, since they aren't using Tako at all, assuming that's the trigger that causes people to get banned here.
That being said, it still requires using packet injection on the Bitzers, but it is yet to be seen whether SE flags/bans for that specifically. It's also difficult to pinpoint since it's likely anyone who injects Bitzers is also using Tako to some degree.
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
Dodik said: »
I think it was Thorny
Probably 3-4 years ago at this point, but I had an account suspended within 2 days of using AH packets to buy Alexandrite(at a rate of one bid/3sec, not even max speed). I wasn't leaving it running, my version autostops when a bid fails, so I just cleared out AH. I assumed it was for botting at the time, so I logged back in and did nothing besides buy alex the same way the following few days before it got permaed. I didn't even leave Nashmau.
So, I can decisively say that at one point in time it was clearly banworthy. Not a whole lot of things where you can tie a ban to one specific activity, so I've been ultra cautious about sticking to the legit cooldown since then.
Caitsith.Sepo said: »
Something funny I also realized is it's possible to do this with no risk of 5/6 of the accounts of being banned, as technically only the Paladin needs to use Tako.
So hypothetically speaking, someone could run a setup with 5/6 "mains" and 1 burner account (being the PLD) and be able to get potentially 130k-140k/run without any of the main accounts being banned, since they aren't using Tako at all, assuming that's the trigger that causes people to get banned here.
That being said, it still requires using packet injection on the Bitzers, but it is yet to be seen whether SE flags/bans for that specifically. It's also difficult to pinpoint since it's likely anyone who injects Bitzers is also using Tako to some degree.
So hypothetically speaking, someone could run a setup with 5/6 "mains" and 1 burner account (being the PLD) and be able to get potentially 130k-140k/run without any of the main accounts being banned, since they aren't using Tako at all, assuming that's the trigger that causes people to get banned here.
That being said, it still requires using packet injection on the Bitzers, but it is yet to be seen whether SE flags/bans for that specifically. It's also difficult to pinpoint since it's likely anyone who injects Bitzers is also using Tako to some degree.
I think if you have a track record of being in a group with person hacking the game in front of your eyes in like 50 sortie runs, then you would be banned for clearly continuously accepting the fact that you benefit from hacks done by someone else, but I might be wrong.
Were you banned "for using bidder"?
Or were you banned for making repeated bids on the auction house at a rate the client would not permit to be done?
Or were you banned for making repeated bids on the auction house at a rate the client would not permit to be done while nowhere near the auction house?
//buy alexandrite 1 450,000 sends the exact same packet as if I were at the auction house and made that same bid through the GUI, does it not?
99% sure some people got perma'd for being present in the salvage bans or partaking in nyzul runs where people were clipping through walls.
Or were you banned for making repeated bids on the auction house at a rate the client would not permit to be done?
Or were you banned for making repeated bids on the auction house at a rate the client would not permit to be done while nowhere near the auction house?
//buy alexandrite 1 450,000 sends the exact same packet as if I were at the auction house and made that same bid through the GUI, does it not?
SimonSes said: »
I think if you have a track record of being in a group with person hacking the game in front of your eyes in like 50 sortie runs, then you would be banned for clearly continuously accepting the fact that you benefit from hacks done by someone else, but I might be wrong.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Or were you banned for making repeated bids on the auction house at a rate the client would not permit to be done?
This one, which I thought I made clear. I didn't even say 'bidder', my own tool always runs to the AH and pokes it before sending the packets.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
//buy alexandrite 1 450,000 sends the exact same packet as if I were at the auction house and made that same bid through the GUI, does it not?
I also don't think that distance is likely to get you actioned, but my experience is solely relating to speed.
Caitsith.Sepo said: »
it's possible to do this with no risk of 5/6 of the accounts of being banned, as technically only the Paladin needs to use Tako.
Caitsith.Sepo said: »
it is yet to be seen whether SE flags/bans for that specifically.
Problem with Sortie is that it's a continuous activity, so if you normalize using that you're almost certainly going to have been using it prior to the fix. It's already pretty well known, won't be long until someone reports it.
Shiva.Thorny said: »
This one, which I thought I made clear. I didn't even say 'bidder', my own tool always runs to the AH and pokes it before sending the packets.
I was gonna edit my post saying you specified doing exactly that, but Toralin was saying "they banned just for using bidder".
I interpreted it as lazy typing, not implying bidder on its own was unsafe. Fully on the same page as you as far as it being safe when used in the same way you'd use AH. I still think it's something to be aware of though, since a fresh user could easily link it with a command repeater or keystroke->up->enter and end up bidding too fast. (If they're using a version without safeguards.)
Shiva.Thorny said: »
bans by association have precedent in both neo-nyzul and Dynamis-D
People have been banned for being in party with speed/maint users in neo-nyzul and pos users in dyna. Not much more to tell than that.
Shiva.Thorny said: »
People have been banned for being in party with speed/maint users in neo-nyzul and pos users in dyna. Not much more to tell than that.
K123 said: »
I'm asking how you know this. Was it you? Why POS hack in Dyna?
Multiple customers. People relied on having their puller POS when Dyna-D was newish and the mid groups couldn't clear wave 3 without it. Lot of people seem to think that being in an instance makes it automatically safe to use whatever they want.
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POS to pull all the mobs to one place to aoe them or pull the nms or the boss only? Glad they got banned for that ***.
I'm more surprised SE detected running through walls in Nyzul, glad I never did that, as appealing as it is.
I'm more surprised SE detected running through walls in Nyzul, glad I never did that, as appealing as it is.
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Avaera said: »
I'm fairly certain I heard of people getting banned just being in the same party when the dupe was a thing back in the day in Salvage. You could be unaware of and still get hit.
People I did v25 bumba with are long-time friends with whom I cherish our time together dearly.
Asura.Toralin said: »
You do know I helped get you your bumba 25 win right? Or are you trolling me
My posts are always for entertainment purposes only (so please don't take it personally). But if what you're saying is true, then which character is yours?
Respectfully, it's not really "helping" if you needed the win on one of your characters either. However, I do understand where you're coming from. If you remove all of the frustrating randomness, then the Odyssey v25 T3/T4 fights are a rare opportunity for a demanding display of player coordination and synergy in a restricted group setting. (But everything, literally every bit of preparation is required: player response time, in-depth knowledge of mechanics, optimal gear sets, and even the extent of LUA-optimizations for min-maxing potential).
Still...I personally wouldn't romanticize Odyssey because I hated the climb and the abysmal lack of replay value. (Stating the obvious here: I was fortunate enough to have an Odyssey static so I didn't rely on your services). I also strongly dislike how the content forced many casual players to farm segments with a random PUG (and then spend those segments with yet another PUG). Odyssey has some cool mechanical moments, but I could do without all of the randomness and frustration.
Another core reason why I dislike Odyssey (Bumba v25): I don't think we ever figured out how SE intended us to kill it? (Always do less than 10k damage, proc an element weakness by looking at the dust circle beneath him ...and then what?) Anyway, it's cool that you like Odyssey.
Kaffy said: »
M.Bison Video
I laughed so hard at this. Thank you.
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Kaffy said: »
RIP - Miss him to this day
Felgarr said: »
Another core reason why I dislike Odyssey (Bumba v25): I don't think we ever figured out how SE intended us to kill it? (Always do less than 10k damage, proc an element weakness by looking at the dust circle beneath him ...and then what?) Anyway, it's cool that you like Odyssey.
This is 1 fight - The rest were fun - While I hated v25 bumba, I was on discord making jokes with the homies, having fun. I like fighting bosses, but Bumba is just silly. I think talking badly about one fight hurts the overall viewpoint of the event, but if there were skill issues fighting other mobs, I can see why you disliked it.
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Felgarr said: »
Another core reason why I dislike Odyssey (Bumba v25): I don't think we ever figured out how SE intended us to kill it? (Always do less than 10k damage, proc an element weakness by looking at the dust circle beneath him ...and then what?)
This is why it's crucial for everyone to remove as much magic damage as possible from their activities, like the RDM's Impact can't be doing 2k damage it needs to be doing a few hundred at most.
I see only three possibilities for how SE intended us to approach the fight:
1. DoT, the way we're doing it more or less.
2. By proccing him consistently (which is damn near impossible to do a few times in a row, let alone for an entire fight)
3. They didn't want us to beat him. This was to be the new AV.
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