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 Odin.Oyukisan
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-11 23:08:36
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Me: maybe I can login to my old clash of clans account?
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-11 23:09:53
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Me: Ohhh God I cant take raiding anymore. Please SE turn the servers back on!! /cry
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-11 23:14:49
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Me: Maybe I should call my father, I haven't spoke to his *** in years.
Iphone: Rings...
Father: Hello Son
Iphone: Hangs up.
Me: Call father: Done
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By Asura.Blittzjr 2025-03-11 23:14:54
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I swear there’s no time that you want to play FFXI more than when it’s in maintenance…
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-11 23:29:07
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Bastok Hit List:
Boytz- owes me gil
Ephemeral Moogle- won't return my crystals
Griselda- she freaking catfished me
Roh Latteh- always trying to sell me old *** girl scout cookies
Julio- ese cabron me debe coquito and pasteles navidenos
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-11 23:45:29
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Me: Maybe I should call me ex... :)
Iphone: Straight VM (STILL BLOCKED) /sigh
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By Minaras84 2025-03-12 00:20:58
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ouch
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-12 02:19:24
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Me: FaceBook-THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FFXI IS DOWN FOR 10hr maintenance.
With all the theories out there about Rap/R&B celebs taking out or ending the careers of the competition to be the face of said genre, etc. Beyonce taking out Aaliyah, Jay-Z ending DMX career after he retired and became Def Jam Pres just to come back to rap after he derailed DMX. Now we all know Lebron James was closely tied to The Carters and Combs. What if he took a page from their book and had his #1 competition, Kobe Bryant taken out the same way they did Aaliyah so that he can become the new face and so called King of the NBA. Cause the GOAT he was never ever gonna be. That title belongs to Jordan “The Real 23”. And with Kobe Bryant in the league he was never gonna be able to claim himself King. Airplane goes down, helicopter goes down and two closely related number 2s become number 1s. Hmmmmmmmm
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By Odin.Oyukisan 2025-03-12 02:22:30
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Me: Jesus Christ I need serious therapy /sigh
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By Pantafernando 2025-03-12 02:30:06
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Eirynil would be proud of this thread.
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By Ragnarok.Marquiss 2025-03-12 04:04:15
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Go touch grass pendejo
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By Asura.Yankke 2025-03-12 04:08:25
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Odin.Oyukisan said: »

Me: Maybe I should call me ex... :)
Iphone: Straight VM (STILL BLOCKED) /sigh

I called my ex too. . . Not because I wanted her back just because i was bored!!! ?‍♂️?
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-12 04:12:50
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It's crazy to me that they put all the eggs in one basket, so when the game servers are taken down the website also is taken down so you can't see the notice to know why it's down.

Who does that.

It's good they bought all new servers for the game though, shows dedication to keep the game running long term.
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By Masaru 2025-03-12 04:39:20
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RadialArcana said: »
It's crazy to me that they put all the eggs in one basket, so when the game servers are taken down the website also is taken down so you can't see the notice to know why it's down.

Who does that.

It's good they bought all new servers for the game though, shows dedication to keep the game running long term.
You can see it here, so not exactly everything is down:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/62536-PlayOnline-and-Related-Services-Maintenance-(Mar.-11-12)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2025-03-12 05:30:22
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I wish them the best. This is a big lot of small, bespoke services that someone set up 20 years ago and they probably don't understand anymore. My guess is that either maint is extended or ends but some functionality remains down.

The better way to do this kind of migration is to set the new servers up test that all the services work, and then switch the DNS entries so the new servers get used instead of the old ones. They are choosing a higher risk maneuver.
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By Felgarr 2025-03-12 05:52:01
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
I wish them the best. This is a big lot of small, bespoke services that someone set up 20 years ago and they probably don't understand anymore. My guess is that either maint is extended or ends but some functionality remains down.

The better way to do this kind of migration is to set the new servers up test that all the services work, and then switch the DNS entries so the new servers get used instead of the old ones. They are choosing a higher risk maneuver.

They probably opted not to do this due to cost and operational overhead of continuous data synchronization. I also would be surprised if the person doing this forklift migration is the same person who is also doing the testing. It's all probably Fujito and whichever intern/person they hired with "cloud experience" last year.
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By Dodik 2025-03-12 06:12:52
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I mean, server state is held in DB, typically, and those use shared storage most of the time. Meaning the data remains the same, just used from a different place.

But who knows what their setup is.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2025-03-12 06:24:16
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Yeah, perhaps this downtime is actually just for migrating a self-hosted DB from one server to another.
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-12 06:26:13
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Felgarr said: »
It's all probably Fujito and whichever intern/person they hired with "cloud experience" last year.

That's not how it works. XI is an old game with a small team of actual developers working on new content but it's still a professional major company behind it, they have teams for everything else outside of that.

XI and XIV are both run by the same server operations team who look after them 24/7 and do all the maintenance work etc, they did an interview a while back about it.

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By Asura.Sechs 2025-03-12 06:32:35
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What sounds very strange to me (but maybe makes perfect sense in reality) is that as far as I read, the staff working on FFXI doesn't work fulltime on FFXI but on several other SE things as well.

I could understand that for additional resources that get moved back and forth between project according to the current milestones to respect the specific times etc, but at least a "core" should be fixed and focusing on FFXI 100%
But I guess the project is so small nowadays, for them, that it makes no sense anymore?
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By Asura.Certainly 2025-03-12 06:37:08
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Developers who exclusively work on a 22+ years old game usually do not face a bright future.
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By Dodik 2025-03-12 06:42:28
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There isn't anything to focus on 100%. The game is done with some ad hoc changes here and there.

Given the pace of those changes, it is obviously a part time effort from a small group.
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By Phoenix.Amarok 2025-03-12 06:45:18
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I'd be very interested to know if they are moving from physical to physical servers, or moving everything into a hypervisor environment as virtual servers (assuming back in 2002 they didn't do this already).
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-12 07:06:55
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Breaks over, back to work
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By Dodik 2025-03-12 07:12:24
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They've said they were moving to virtual servers a while back.
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By Meeble 2025-03-12 07:13:48
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Phoenix.Amarok said: »
I'd be very interested to know if they are moving from physical to physical servers, or moving everything into a hypervisor environment as virtual servers (assuming back in 2002 they didn't do this already).

Y'know, I had assumed they were; Certainly if any other company said they were "replacing old servers" in 2025, I would assume some kind of virtualization was involved.

But this is SE; I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they came out and said they had to stick to bare metal because of ps2 limitations or something equally ridiculous.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2025-03-12 07:14:30
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Well, they said they are using VMs, but I think they still have actual data centers.
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-12 07:16:44
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Phoenix.Amarok said: »
I'd be very interested to know if they are moving from physical to physical servers, or moving everything into a hypervisor environment as virtual servers (assuming back in 2002 they didn't do this already).

They say in the video, they bought new modern hardware and setup 3-4 virtual environments on each one. This allows them to cut running costs and still maintain the old environment the 20 year old application need to run without issues.
 
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2025-03-12 08:14:49
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Phoenix.Amarok said: »
I'd be very interested to know if they are moving from physical to physical servers, or moving everything into a hypervisor environment as virtual servers (assuming back in 2002 they didn't do this already).

Pardon my huge knowledge (?!? Or clear lack of?!?) but what does that mean, and how a virtual server will help.
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