Nerf BRD

Sounds like the perfect role for Time Mage to make it's appearance. Haste3, Hastega2.

They could be used for something other than free Aeonics. They BP wall everything new and serious. Might as well give SMN the ability to do something that isn't on a 20 second cooldown trying to compete with dedicated DPS for a slot.

Same thing for BST. It would be the end of the world if pet debuffs had their own slot like Geomancy? When they event nerf GEO we wouldn't have to immediately run back to BRD and make a ton of REMA for a job we don't enjoy.

P.s. BRD has fencer traits and PLD doesn't. You can't sub job BRD to help anything else outside of aby procs.

Make it more enjoyable to play or let us bring other jobs when we're trying to use PDL. With Aria, it's always going to be the statistically best choice. Literally make room so we don't have to burn 1 of 6 party slots on a BRD no one wants to play.


Now would this job's AF have a pointy hat and a star AND not look like loaf of bread?

"I hate how we rely on a single job to cap haste"
"They should add a single job which caps haste"
"Sure, GEO can cap haste by themselves, but that's too costly"

What in the world are you guys even saying with this thread?

There are already 2 jobs which can cap haste by themselves. You want to add a third one, because apparently capping haste is too hard to do, or something?

Haste-capping situations aside, I do not understand the hate for BRD at all. Here's what I'm seeing: "After you cast songs, all you do is DD" which is HILARIOUS coming from people who talk about DDing being their favorite part of the game.

As Simon said, here's what 99.8% of playing a DD job entails: Hit WS button, wait to hit WS button again.

If you're on WAR, SAM, DRK, hell even COR, you're never making any decisions at all or even hitting more than 1 or 2 buttons. Do you get a huge hit of excitement when you say "I'm going to not use last resort on this slime, I'm going to wait until the boss to use it" "everyone is presently attacking the enemy, it's now a good time to use Warcry".

Sure, maybe before a fight you decide which weapon and which WS you're going to use, but that's a 1 second decision and then for the next 5~120 minutes, you're just hitting the WS button...which is exactly what BRD does but it also has other things to do.

Explaining it to 5 year olds

If one job can do it with zero downside. There will never be any reason to do it any other way.

The most basic of the basic ***to understand. A developer who gives a *** mitigates those scenarios.

Safe damage from distance has options, pros and cons.
Melees have options, pros and cons.
Healers have options, pros and cons.
Tanks have options, pros and cons. *(gambit and rayke are stupid)
There is zero alternate way to cap haste. No good options. No pros, all cons. (burn 2 hours, have downtime, double up jobs)

That's an obvious failure point.

Classic double-think of armchair critics about FFXI.
"They should be aware of the meta and stop people from doing the easy thing, by offering multiple options to accomplish the same thing"
"Why do they keep nerfing the meta every time the community comes up with the path of least resistance?"

There are 15 different ways to cap delay reduction in FFXI if you insist on capping your delay every time you leave your mog house. You can use like...10 of the 22 jobs to accomplish this, in a myriad of different ways, for different periods of time, with various different levels of buff/debuff, ranges, and all sorts of other options. And somehow this is not enough for people, because they just pick the one which results in the most optimal for the majority of situations and refuse to use a single brain cell to try to customize a solution to a specific situation. And then complain that the game doesn't offer enough options. Hilarious.

Yes. Big damage JA ftw.

Look, some people just dislike playing brd, if you don't have the same opinion you can just accept people have different preferences on jobs and walk away. Trying to argue endlessly with "but DDs are equally boring!!!" is a waste of time.

God forbid I enjoy popping scarlet delirium or mighty strikes and see big dmg numbers pop, and don't enjoy jobs without those short burst JAs. I am not sure why people tried to convince me otherwise when it is 100% just personal preferences with nothing to argue about.

Here you go, assuming haste 2 (from RDM, SMN, or BLU) and equip haste for 55%:
DRG: Hasso+Wyvern+Samba
THF, DNC, NIN, BLU, BRD, RNG, COR, BST: use DW gear
SAM: Hasso+Samba (from DNC)
MNK, PUP: use MA gear
DRK: LR, when LR is down, Apocalypse
Any job: Use GEO, Blizter's Roll, Embrava, or Mighty Guard

So 12/22 jobs (maybe more) can cap their delay reduction without a BRD or a GEO. Anyone can cap with Tabula Rasa, Diffusion, or Blizter's Roll, and of course absolutely any job in the game can cap delay reduction with BRD or GEO laughably easily.

So I guess like...mages, PLD, RUN, and WAR are going to have a tough time, if they don't have a GEO or a BRD, can't use Mighty Guard, Embrava, and don't feel like using Blizter's Roll because "muh stp". IDK. Seems like a hyper-optimization problem and not a "I can't cap haste without a BRD" problem.

Is that the best you got?

I give in.


Let's just tl;dr this into "we want fulltime Cornelia, and only need 4 friends instead of 5."

Exactly.

Not sure the main point....you can cap attack delay with above methods but they are inferior options than simply using a brd and still getting spare song slots for different buffs. Using DW gears lowers your TP gain, and to my knowledge apoc isn't DRK's strongest build, at least not before I quit. Sometimes you may want to cancel LR for survivability issues.

Brd suffers none of such issues and you still have brd damage + additional song slots for attack/accuracy/defense. The benefit is hard to replace.

Geo is a viable option for haste capping, but you are using 1 valuable buff slot for haste only, on a job that only has 2-3 buff slots. It's generally more efficient to let brd cap haste and let geo focus on pdif capping instead.

Using BLUx2 to cap haste used to be a thing in the community, it was the main reason behind "Blu only" mentality in 2015. But after brd buff blu x2 setup was replaced by brds in the community. The biggest problem with MG is haste is only 15% so Cor in the pt won't be haste capped unless pt has rdm smn. And your DD is locked on BLU which caused endless job drama back in 2015.


It IS optimization problem but in mmo optimization will always be a problem. Hardcore playerbase will always use the most efficient setup, so SE will need to balance the hardest content with hardcore player's output in mind. Otherwise the game will be too easy for min-maxers.

It wouldn't be a problem if you only ever do low tier content, you can cap haste however you want in easy contents. But in the hardest content with little room for DPS loss and human error, you pretty much need to rely on best setups possible for the best chance to win.

So...Of course the concern on support job balance is legit. It definitely has plenty of room for improvement.

See what you *** did. Afania is on the correct side of the topic.

Even they understand it.

So if I'm understanding the problem then it goes something like this:

-MMO players are going to use the optimal setup, no matter what that is, because they will optimize everything and pick the best setup
-There should be multiple job setups which are optimal

Could someone explain to me how this isn't an unsolvable paradox?

If brd is 100/100 and the geo option is a 50/100 and there are no other options.

You bring bard down to 75/100, geo up to 75/100 and make haste3 and samba2 a thing.

Solvable paradox. It's not that it's merely the best, it's that it's not even close. If other options are reasonable, then it's still bad, it's just not ridiculously bad. Princess bards.

After that, we can tackle bards with honor marches 9song buffs and naegling is broken and cor's stranglehold on slot 2 and g/r are stupid.

Thanks for this, I couldn't have possibly made your position look more cartoonish if I tried. You've done an excellent job, and as we all know, it's much more concise than I'm capable of, kudos!

And drop haste2 to /rdm levels. When they add 3.

If it removes princess status from the bard job, I literally don't care how they do it.

Of course, they'll still be the best crowd control option for 90% + of content that needs it, and being free of the yoke of haste monkey means we'll just demand more minuets, etudes, and extra defensive songs from them....yes it "solves" the haste monopoly, but not the "BRD too stronk" opinions.

Give it a year (6 months) of new meta. Fix it again. Repeat. That's maintaining the game. That's the acceptable bare minimum.

Leaving the meta as it sits for 10 years isn't maintenance. It's sloth.

Bard is the strongest job in the game pound for pound to the point people tell people to level it so they can get into content quicker. It has the hardest gear progression out of most jobs and you need it top tier to play in most endgame events.

As a person who mains bard, it is *** amazing job (probably because I'm a *** amazing player ahah see what I did there) but I will also say It's a terrible job due to the pressure and commitment to the craft to be actually good at it.

Maybe Bard doesn't need a nerf, maybe other jobs need buffs. I rather SE actually *** say something at the very least that they know this is a problem.

I think the assessment that other buffing jobs need to be better at haste capping the party would help a lot. In order to nerf BRD enough to make a difference they'd have to significantly nerf the entire line of marches and I don't think anyone wants that so instead we need to look at buffing GEO and SMN maybe BLU or BST specifically when it comes to hasting the entire party.

GEO really needs a serious rework I think that's obvious from how they nerf it on all new content. Several of the debuffs are far too strong which is why they get nerfed constantly, meanwhile they have so few bubbles that it really makes haste bubbles come at too high of a cost, especially compared to honor march which brds would use even if they didn't need the haste. Honor march also means brds are providing accuracy again at basically no cost while geo has to sacrifice a bubble if more acc is required.

Many SMN buffs scale laughably badly so it would need a lot of work to become a brd replacement but it's at least in line with what it can already do and SMN could really use another role besides 2houring.

BLU and BST can both already self haste and blu can even part time provide hastes for the party so I could see them both being given ability to full time haste the party doing some work to making brd a bit less required.

Cap bard's songs to 3 and change the effect of CC.
Also, whoever believe they like DD because of all the JAs etc.
Stop lying to yourself, you like to DD because of the numbers you see on screen.
But aside from that, main issue is that you're either REMA brd or the pt prefer to wait hours yelling to find one.
But that's because Asura can afford this behavior, because it's the most populated server.
I think that low pop servers would be happy with a brd with just g.horn and harp

O M F G
Stop suggesting fn nerfs, calisse tabarnak

20 years of this game and some clowns here still apparently completely oblivious to how heavy handed SE's nerfs are.

AC is too powerful? Ok, lets make it absolutely USELESS in any new content.
GEO's too powerful? Ok, debuff bubbles will have their potency reduced by 95%
RNG too powerful? Ok, they're gonna become useless.
DRG with Penta too powerful? Ok, were gonna adjust the WS TP return.

SE does not do nerfs, they do absolute neutering.

So you're saying we'll never have to deal with BRD again?


In all seriousness, how did you guys get side tracked on only capping haste when BRD is stupid because it does that while adding attack to base that can't be nerfed like geo bubbles can. Here's some acc from honor march and do i have another song to blast out because i get 5 of them? Lookz like we all need some PDL in a PDL META. Stay on task, damnit!

...talking about TIME MAGE! At least mention that BRD weights as much as a duck so we can burn it already. Where are my jokes in the obvious joke thread? Ain't nothing happening to BRD's obvious statistical superiority or it being the ultimate form of punishment to play. People trying to pretend they're having fun playing a game called Final Fantasy choosing to be a tone def musician that hands out speed and pcp to the party.

Good night

Because it's ability to be the only source of nonhaste haste is the primary reason it's the princess.


If more alternatives to capping existed, all the other buffs would make it a popular choice, instead of the required nonchoice.

You gotta be an absolute moron to be asking for job nerfs in this game at this point in time given SE's history of f*ck ups.

It's been pretty evident this has been a shitty trial an error process for them with all we've seen throughout the years. It's seldom been a positive thing to ask SE to "take away" something to pander to a loud fraction of shitty players who still don't understand old fundamental game mechanics. Im still fuming over wimps who cried to SE so much that they took away Cleave parties with Locus mobs (Crawlers nest esp), something that, to this day, hasn't benefited ANYBODY.

In short, SE doesn't know what they're doing, so don't ask them to irreverisbly nerf a job. Look at BST and NIN. Learn from SE's mistakes.

Accepting garbage because you're scared shitless is beta behavior.

Don't upset massa, no sir, not the massa. Not the whip massa, I's be good massa.

SEs idea of nerfing BRD would be the following:
Hard haste cap of 50% (individual caps remain unchanged)
Attack and defense cap of 2000
Accuracy cap at 80% hit rate

Now no one needs a bard, and Eiryl's gonna be there going "thank you massa can I have another"

Lmao

Overpowered job doesn't need nerfs bootlicker

Or

No one is stopping you from making 4 remas to play fun job bootlicker

Or

Bard support contributes way too much to the current meta to the point content is nearly impossible with out that job for nearly all endgame content

*** the current meta

Also id like to afterglow my harp and g horn to i119


*** you SE