Nerf BRD

Yeah COR is the real job you always need. I mentioned COR roll on the last page but you also need it for Bolters too.

Totally not disingenuous. After all, OP stuck around and elaborated on their well thought out thesis and fostered a healthy debate.

Oh, wait, no he didn't. He made a single post then *** off. Yeah. Totally not disingenuous.

The haters know they can change jobs right? They make more valid points for why they should gear and play BRD, rather then why BRD should be nerfed. I am sure the only people hating on BRD are the ones that send a /tell to join a group 'DRK NIN BLU DRG'. Thanks for your diverse contribution.

Well, same as in LoL, everyone wants to do pew-pew and big damage, while only a few enjoy being a support. I don't blame them, pew-pew is far more funnier than supporting, and there are fewer chances of being criticized.

Putting more DW isnt really an alternative to capped delay from haste buffs. DRG/sam still needs a little more than 30% from Haste II and BLU cant fulltime full haste. DRK will still have LR down moments.

That being said if you mix jobs well from the pool of DNC, BLU, DRK, RDM, SMN, DRG, SAM, GEO you could cap with easy.

Also if you use GEO anyway, another GEO can replace BRD too and without any sacrifices, because they can fulltime indi haste with entrust, so they have 4 main bubbles still free to do whatever.

Haste is not really an issue. Can cap haste easily with indi haste and one more haste. You don't need fury on top of frailty for any non-nerfed content - attack will still cap.

Brd buffs stack with everything and act as base buffs for percentage increases - attack/accuracy. The gain is much more than the buff itself due to the stacking and percentage increase.

This is not really a bad thing, it's a support job. I like brd but actually having a 4 REMA brd means you get asked to play brd a whole lot which just ends up being miserable as any long time brd will tell you.

This is not a problem of the job, just a nature of it being so good.

Geo had the same "problem" pre debuff nerfs - thanks for that btw.

Jobs don't need nerfing, mobs need buffing to compensate for the jobs being good. Nerfing jobs is not a good design nor a good compensation for your players choosing a particular play style.

Just because you, the designer, do not agree with the player base's play style does not make that play style wrong. See bst JA nerfs for the same.

Why you mad bro? Brd is like the shackle restricting your good time. Everyone *** without one, so you wait forever to find one, then they get pissed off when any minor thing goes wrong, and the rage warp out of whatever gated content you're doing. Brd is like the herpes, it makes you itch. You like it? You mad at me for saying maybe we should live with out it?

Yeah but we like pirates and they still have to be played to get the majority of the benefits of the job. The difference between a good COR player and a bot that just rolls is obvious.

Your 2nd bot character can apply BRD songs effectively, even more so with the prime horn stage 5. It barely needs a human paying attention to it to get gud. And they never made the charm viable and fun so they are boring and poorly dressed.

This is the "totally not disingenuous" argument you are debating. This is who you are rewarding with debate. A "u mad" argument aimed at someone who DOESN'T EVEN PLAY BARD.

Are we done here?

Which game this scene comes from?

I do remember it

Few points here:
-I actually enjoy BRD. It's a job I play in the vast majority of content and I prefer to play it when possible. I think it's like WHM or GEO, most people have botted it for so long they never bothered to actually try it and push it to its limits, therefore they just see it for the basic surface-level thing it does.
-In the vast majority of cases, BRD being "required" for content is overblown. It's just a simple, lazy man's solution to capping attack speed. You also don't need to cap attack speed to clear content. This isn't a fine-tuned WoW raid where the DPS checks are insanely precise. You will be fine if you deviate from the meta a little bit guys.
-BRD is still a great job and brings a lot to the table, not just capping haste but as others have said, Minuet stacks very nicely with %-based attack buffs, of which there are MANY. Dirge is also amazing, as are Carols, Elegy, Lullaby, Nocturne (with no RDM), Finale, and a bunch of other things. Plus...they can DPS, and do so in almost all the content in the game presently.

I'll concede that it's expensive/requires a lot of effort to get geared, but that's FFXI for you; the game is all about goals, grinding, and progression.

TL;DR: BRD isn't nearly as necessary or unpleasant as most people think.

Brah. Chrono Trigger

Hi Ejiin

I was thinking it was a nonary game.

I didnt remember Chrono had such bad ending lol

On the scale 1-22 bard is the 3rd most unpleasant, only because bubbles are so much worse (whm the worst). And the number 1 "necessary" Not needed, but the most must have or you won't do it. Anything can tank good enough. Anything can heal good enough. Nothing can haste the whole party. Stand in indi-haste range and get aoe'd. So don't even bother. Rolls are a nice bonus. attack cap is a nice bonus. Full haste is not negotiable.

In general, not niche *** like unwinnable without gambit/rayke

Lose to Lavos and this happens...

Just like we lost to SE and are now watching FFXI sink to the bottom of the ocean faster than a sub from OceanGate

Maybe it is #1 in "needed" but I think needed is a ridiculous word in the context of FFXI because it depends so much on content.

Content which can be completed without a BRD:
Vagary
Dynamis [D]
Omen
Sortie
Ambuscade
Sinister Reign
Gaes Fete
HTBF
Unity NMs
Every single Odyssey NM below maybe...V20?
Skirmish
Odyssey seg farms

Content which needs BRD to be completed succesfully:
Most Gaol NMs at V25+, higher-tier guys at V20+
End of list?

Maybe organized official forum brigading would net better results than complaining on this one they don't read.

A many post thread Japanese or not would catch attention.

Can we start with asking for a trade in system for earrings or excess sapphires?

The sad truth and answer to most problems in FFXI party composition is laziness.People simply don't want to adjust and play to various jobs advantages.

BLU, DRK in party? Don't need 2nd march? *** that I'm not gonna sing additional song just for them!
DRG with polearm in party? Don't need madrigal? *** that, I need madrigal, madrigal for everyone!
Stacking def down? *** that we need GEO!
Skillchains? *** that we need Savage!

There is plenty more.

You're unhinged bro, my inquiry is legitimate. I had to attend work yesterday, I work long hours, then you accuse me of being insincere. If you're going to attack me, please do so on the merits of my argument.

Been trying to get these *** to do that for years. Complain. Enmass. There. Force their hand.

Many neckbeards but not a single testicle among them.

I lol'ed. Too soon/not too soon.

Okay, what merits are those. You complain about brd on the basis that pick up brds on Asura are ***.

Yeah, news flash, so is mostly everyone else on Asura (exceptions apply etc etc).

Yeah because everyone knows the most masculine thing you can do is complain on the internet. Takes real courage, gotta really nut up and eat your spinach to get behind a keyboard and anonymously type a complaint on a forum.

Grow some balls, guys.

You say it, like it's sarcastic, but still afraid to do it. To take 30 seconds out of your oh so busy day to improve the thing you spend 8 hours a day doing.

Genuinely curious: what software do you use to read people's minds through the internet? Curious to try it out.

Well yeah but it isn't good idea to have 22 jobs in a game but only few are effective at capping DD's haste/acc/attack. Then make math formula works in a way that DDs capping haste/acc/attack being miles ahead of DDs not capping them, then design endgame mob HP/defense based on DDs being buffed.

Of course players can simply choose to level those supports but what's so fun about using the same job over and over? It has no variety like this :(

Nerfing brd is obviously a bad solution since all endgame mob stats will need to be lowered if haste/attack/acc capping gets harder, which is a lot of work. Plus it doesn't feel good if everyone's damage gets nerfed. So giving players more support job options on haste/attack/acc capping is the better way to solve this problem.

I feel in a 6 man party, haste/acc/attack capping should be doable with any combination of 2 support jobs. And 5-7 jobs out of 22 jobs should be viable support jobs. So 4/6 of pt slots can be tank/DD/healer. This way we can have more job choices in a pt.

But apparently SE would rather make attack harder and harder to cap over the years with endless pdl+ options so we are stuck with strong support jobs even more. Sad. :(

Nerf bard? No *** bards. I'm a better bard anyway than any bard who thinks the current climate is ok (Same *** get carried through everything)

The fact some fights are insta-loss the minute use lose 2-hour songs speaks testament to that not only is the content not fun, that Bard is so overpowered that losing those songs spells doom for everyone else involved.

If your team all made BRD, then no one is ever stuck on BRD EVER....like put in the work, or accept that you cannot achieve the things you want.

Why do I have WHM on every character? Do I like WHM? No way.
Do I like relieving my main WHM and BRD so they can DD regularly and are HAPPY to do difficult end game on BRD/WHM? Absolutely.

Be part of your team, build a better team. Help each other gear... isn't that the entire point of the game?

6 carns
6 galla
6 harps
6 aeonic horns
6 people complaining they were bard last week.

The point of the game is gather as much ***as possible. Put it in your moghouse. Say there's nothing to do.

Faster than everyone else!