Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

Hmm, I think you might be right there. Wasn't paying attention to the mob types. The 25% does line up close enough. Thanks for the help!

General question, but does this scenario even exist in FFXI, where something can crit but isn't modified by crit gear/traits? That alone would seem to defy game logic and imply something else is going on, right?

Outside of a bug, or a ja, nothing can crit that doesn't state it can crit

They were simply wrong in their assessment.

(There might be blue spells that can crit and critical damage plus gear doesn't work, but I'm not certain) ((Foot Kick / Sickle Slash etc))

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Blade:_Rin

I believe this is the only exception.

Maru Testing :
Str: 192
Dex: 201
Mnk/WAR Mlvl 50 Mithra No WS dmg / No PDL gear on / No food

1k : Min 6180 Max 6482
1k Fotia Neck : Min 6379 Max 6689
3k : Min 23917 Max 25068
3k Fotia Neck : Min 24113 Max 25274

If I'm using my old spreadsheet right: 3.1 - 12.2

would be helpful to have 1k (or 3k) with an etude or stat bubble to get the stat growth

edit: I was not using it right

For the test my hand to hand skill was 501 not sure if that matters. I heard hand to hand skill might add base damage for hand to hand. I had +1 JSE ear on for +11 skill.

Only the first hit of every attack round was getting triple damage with the prime hand 2 hand.

Do any other Prime Weaponskills other than Origin have a hidden effect?

Not really a hidden effect if its in the ws description.

The drain/apsir effect on Origin isn't a hidden effect, its just how the WS operates.

Even Catastrophe lists the drain effect in the WS's description. Relics did have "hidden" effects such as Catastrophe giving haste. It was only "hidden" on the lvl 75 version. After that, they were listed as "Aftermath:" effects.

Cata and Origin are pretty unique with the drain. All other primes are just strictly damage only. However there are other WS's that give effects such as Guillotine and Tachi:Gekko having a silence effect. Plenty of Stun WS's also.

Ukko's Fury applies Slow, Rudra's Storm applies Gravity, and so on and so on. Lots of WS have secondary effects - empy WSs having some was a major issue on Alexander HTMV, which retaliates against debuffs.

I actually did not know that about Ukkos and Rudra! Now I’m curious how many others I don’t know about!

I hate that all of you knew what I meant, but instead of just saying "no," you took the time to explain that the effect is not, in fact, hidden. To be fair, I also hate myself for asking. I should have known better.

Like 20% the ws in the game lower something. Evasion defense att acc. Or apply something. Plague silence poison stun sleep bind.