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By JesterBuns 2022-08-25 14:33:33
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-08-25 14:43:59
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Neat Funny. Should have omitted your name though.
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By Gruknor 2022-08-25 16:11:48
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I wonder if they were using regen gear or using a hack.
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By Zubis 2022-08-25 16:15:51
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Neat Funny. Should have omitted your name though.

And shouldn't have used third party add-ons.

Someone petty is going to report this.
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By RadialArcana 2022-08-25 17:04:48
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Gruknor said: »
I wonder if they were using regen gear or using a hack.

it's just book regen

I know people don't like bots but this means the special task force is doing their job correctly, if you have a game with a complicated economy / easily congestable endgame and your RMT are doing this stupid stuff instead of destroying the auction house, farming endgame, conning and hacking players or whatever they are doing it right.

You can't beat RMT cause the demand will always be there, you just keep em stupid to stop them ruining the game.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-08-25 17:20:44
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I mean, you would be right.

Except you're not, lol. That would be effective, if not for the 200 sphere, shield and craft bots. This is not an alternative to elude enforcement. It's merely additional income.

STF doesn't do ***. (anymore/currently)
(Let's say they "under perform", 5% enforcement is "something")
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By Lakshmi.Avereith 2022-08-25 18:09:14
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OK, but why the bots still trying to fight the charmed mob? I guess I'm not seeing why it would do that
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By Siren.Demetreos 2022-08-25 18:17:40
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Lakshmi.Avereith said: »
OK, but why the bots still trying to fight the charmed mob? I guess I'm not seeing why it would do that
They're trying to claim mobs based on the name of the entity, and don't have advanced enough logic to realise that it's not a free mob.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-08-25 18:19:02
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The program can't decern charm. It's only claimed or unclaimed.
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-08-25 20:58:01
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RadialArcana said: »
Gruknor said: »
I wonder if they were using regen gear or using a hack.

it's just book regen

I know people don't like bots but this means the special task force is doing their job correctly, if you have a game with a complicated economy / easily congestable endgame and your RMT are doing this stupid stuff instead of destroying the auction house, farming endgame, conning and hacking players or whatever they are doing it right.

You can't beat RMT cause the demand will always be there, you just keep em stupid to stop them ruining the game.
RMT yell all day to sell endgame content(aeonics)/gear(ody)/levels(master levels).

you're *** delusional lmao
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By JesterBuns 2022-08-25 22:37:01
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I'm not sure how anybody can say that the special task force are doing their job correctly, honestly. It's uh... it's extremely obvious they aren't.

Anyway, this is just a silly thing we did. I'm aware of the danger to my account and fully expect somebody who doesn't like me very much to report me, but I wanted to do this ever since I found out what BST could do to their robo brains.

With Horizon right around the corner, if SE want to ban me for finding an iota of fun in their incompetence, then that's on them. I don't mind too much. :)
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2022-08-25 22:49:56
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Thank you Jesterbuns for giving us another weapon against them!

For those who missed it, here's another way of doing it in West Ronfaure, although you need some conditions to pull it off. This BST charm way is far easier to do and can be done anywhere! Bravo for finding this. I would have upvoted you ten times if I could. Screw SE if they do anything about this, it's not your fault if the bots are stupid.

How To Kill Bots In West Ronfaure
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By Asura.Aquatiq 2022-08-26 00:25:52
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this is terrific i've killed three, undead at night makes it faster
unfortunately they HP and zone back in :(
also need to figure out who's the level syncer and keep targeting them

Carnero is up on the hill, heading there now
aw it doesn't aggro
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2022-08-26 02:05:56
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So, the killing method is not the best way to go. The better way to attack RMTs is not to kill their bots, it's to get them stuck. Whether that means getting them stuck on terrain, or in this case, having them follow a charmed pet around, it hurts their productivity more. Why? Because killed bots automatically warp out, walk back into the area, and carry on as normal. There is hardly any downtime for them.

When targeting RMT, a problem can arise depending on the player. If the RMT player is "active", they will notice what is going on and begin pos hacking their characters out of the predicament. You will know this happens because they disappear without a trace, or at least it will look that way. What actually happens is they hack the game and teleport the character to another position in an instant. If you do a /sea and all the characters remain, then the RMT player has figured out what's happening. However, if you /sea and find all the bots are leaving the area, it is likely because they have finished farming their sparks and are about to turn in.

This could mean that the RMT player has not yet clocked on, and you can target them again when they re-appear. When a RMT is active, there isn't much you can do about it with the charm method. You'll be fighting against them for hours. If you persist they might get sick of it eventually, but expect to waste a lot of your time. Sometimes you may get an AFK RMT and you could essentially collect most (or even all) of the bots, sit there, and go AFK yourself with the knowledge you have put a better stop to their operation than SE will.

As I said before, you need to be seriously bored to do this. It's not hurting RMT on a grand scale, but you may feel better knowing you have contributed. Perhaps SE will eventually notice how annoying these bots are to players and pull their fingers out. I doubt it, but you never know. If enough players do it across many servers, maybe they too will become "active". The coolest thing about this charm method is anyone can do it. Charm lasts a very long time the higher level you are, and it's not hard to get charm gear. This is a great Charm set and your lizard (or whatever you use) will remain so for hours.

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But seriously, you don't need to go all out with +3s. Any kind of charm+ and CHR will do the trick. A level 99 beastmaster has a very long charm on a low-level target. And even if you lose charm, it would take a few seconds to get another. Also, remember if you use "Familiar" on a charmed target it gets another 30 minutes of duration, so you might as well do that because the 1-hour ability will be back by the time you need another pet. The craziest part of this? Charm is useful again! Lol.
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By RadialArcana 2022-08-26 03:43:05
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
I mean, you would be right.

Except you're not, lol. That would be effective, if not for the 200 sphere, shield and craft bots. This is not an alternative to elude enforcement. It's merely additional income.

STF doesn't do ***. (anymore/currently)
(Let's say they "under perform", 5% enforcement is "something")

Low gil prices = good, High gil prices = bad and this is happening because the STF monitors gil prices and keeps them low intentionally (they leave those stupid low level bots mostly alone to flood the market). If Square hired anyone on here to ban RMT, the game would be dead in a month. Cause you're playing checkers when you should be playing chess.

This game would not survive high gil prices caused by low supply.

People don't even think this crap out, high gil prices means people can make serious money selling gil instead of pennies.

Your best friendo, you give access to your account 5 years ago needs a new car and it turns out he likes a new car more than he likes you.

That cool addon and tool you like so much will get a mystery update.

That 10 minute Ody and Omen queue will turn into 2 hour queue.

That stuff you farm, that stuff you craft, that stuff you do won't make any gil anymore.

I'll take those dumb bots roaming around starter areas over the chaos that would come with them not being there, this game is 20 years old and has multiple weak points. Lets not burn the house down to deal with a few cockroaches.

btw I don't care if people mess around with RMT, they won't report you and nobody really cares (just don't report the RMT and them MPK them, cause you'll get caught by your own report if you do that) This is how I got my warning years ago.
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By Typongtive 2022-08-26 07:06:15
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And here I thought I had no life lmao
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By Ragnarok.Jessikah 2022-08-26 07:51:29
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
The craziest part of this? Charm is useful again! Lol.
Holy crap, you're right!
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-08-26 08:05:55
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RadialArcana said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
I mean, you would be right.

Except you're not, lol. That would be effective, if not for the 200 sphere, shield and craft bots. This is not an alternative to elude enforcement. It's merely additional income.

STF doesn't do ***. (anymore/currently)
(Let's say they "under perform", 5% enforcement is "something")

Low gil prices = good, High gil prices = bad and this is happening because the STF monitors gil prices and keeps them low intentionally (they leave those stupid low level bots mostly alone to flood the market). If Square hired anyone on here to ban RMT, the game would be dead in a month. Cause you're playing checkers when you should be playing chess.

This game would not survive high gil prices caused by low supply.

People don't even think this crap out, high gil prices means people can make serious money selling gil instead of pennies.

Your best friendo, you give access to your account 5 years ago needs a new car and it turns out he likes a new car more than he likes you.

That cool addon and tool you like so much will get a mystery update.

That 10 minute Ody and Omen queue will turn into 2 hour queue.

That stuff you farm, that stuff you craft, that stuff you do won't make any gil anymore.

I'll take those dumb bots roaming around starter areas over the chaos that would come with them not being there, this game is 20 years old and has multiple weak points. Lets not burn the house down to deal with a few cockroaches.

btw I don't care if people mess around with RMT, they won't report you and nobody really cares (just don't report the RMT and them MPK them, cause you'll get caught by your own report if you do that) This is how I got my warning years ago.

you have no idea what you're talking about
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By RadialArcana 2022-08-26 08:28:55
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yeah I do actually because we already went through a zero tolerance policy many years ago, and numerous FFXI websites were hacked and trojans were injected into them, we had non stop DDOS attacks for months and so many people were hacked that they had to release security keyfobs.

High gil prices = ww3.
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By kishr 2022-08-26 08:38:14
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could lure them to dangruf wadi, release pet and hope they are out their course far enough to get stuck, could even try north gusta zone line or konschtat, release and see if their bot auto returns back to LL area.

as temporary of a fun as it may seem, this is a drop in the ocean deterance.
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-08-26 08:58:21
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RadialArcana said: »
yeah I do actually because we already went through a zero tolerance policy many years ago, and numerous FFXI websites were hacked and trojans were injected into them, we had non stop DDOS attacks for months and so many people were hacked that they had to release security keyfobs.

High gil prices = ww3.
this child is talking about when RMT bought ads on sites like ffxiah and put a mailicous iframe in them? lol.. that's the most diluted way to describe what happened i've ever seen. you really are delusional man.

people generally have a budget to spend on this game, just like everything else in their life. if gil price is $100/m and a rostam is still 70m making it essentially a $7000 purchase, you aren't going to have people buying that much gil every day to fund a rostam. this is a very simple concept.

you seem to develop crazy theories in your mind and then spout them as fact everywhere.

also during that period everyone was farming cruor and RMTing the gil from that. you seem to be very confused about time periods, there has never really been a "zero tolerance policy". just absolute delusion lmao
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By RadialArcana 2022-08-26 09:21:23
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You communicate with people like you're an edgy teenager. I ignored the rest of your post when you start off with an insult.
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-08-26 09:54:00
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RadialArcana said: »
You communicate with people like you're an edgy teenager. I ignored the rest of your post when you start off with an insult.
fun way to admit you were wrong and know nothing
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By JesterBuns 2022-08-26 12:09:27
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I made a silly video.
Let's not fight. :S
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-08-26 12:26:05
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GetHelpNerd said: »
there has never really been a "zero tolerance policy". just absolute delusion lmao

I wouldn't go that far. There absolutely was a period of very aggressive enforcement of ToS violations, especially RMT activity. They were really aggressive about banning bots and MPKers for a while also. They used to publish fairly regular updates on the task forces activities, they still publish numbers of accounts banned but the longer text form updates are no longer a thing.

Zero tolerance just means if you get caught, though, and many didn't. If you were busted botting, though, you absolutely would get banned (and many did, for fishing especially).
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By kishr 2022-08-26 12:42:46
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JesterBuns said: »
I made a silly video.
Let's not fight. :S
it's their nature
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2022-08-26 15:31:40
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kishr said: »
could lure them to dangruf wadi, release pet and hope they are out their course far enough to get stuck, could even try north gusta zone line or konschtat, release and see if their bot auto returns back to LL area.

as temporary of a fun as it may seem, this is a drop in the ocean deterance.

I don't think this works because the bots walk through walls.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-08-26 15:39:37
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If you were willing to nuke your account, you could indeed clip over the water and the bots might clip in after you to be stuck.

EF has a quirk where it jumps forward enough to throw you over cliffs

You would just have to maintenance mode out there and have them follow. Can also bring them to a zone line, jump over it (under it, around it) and they will zone out and stop functioning.
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