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By Jetackuu 2022-03-11 19:07:13
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After reading some of the comments, it seems people think botting MXP = RMT, but I'm not sure that's the case. What if some people botting are doing so while they're at work because they don't have time to manually do all of their jobs? Also, what's the difference between easyfarm and automating gear swapping via gearswap? I'm willing to bet most people complaining about bots automate other aspects of the game. Seems kinda hypocritical.

I mean, there's a vast difference between gearswap and using easyfarm but lol...

You still upset you got killed while botting for days on end?
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-03-11 19:08:45
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I didn't cheat on my wife since it was only a hand job.
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-03-11 19:12:09
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Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
After reading some of the comments, it seems people think botting MXP = RMT, but I'm not sure that's the case. What if some people botting are doing so while they're at work because they don't have time to manually do all of their jobs? Also, what's the difference between easyfarm and automating gear swapping via gearswap? I'm willing to bet most people complaining about bots automate other aspects of the game. Seems kinda hypocritical.

I mean, there's a vast difference between gearswap and using easyfarm but lol...

You still upset you got killed while botting for days on end?

Not really, but I am still upset that you screwed a bunch of us out of gil.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-11 19:12:34
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I didn't cheat on my wife since it was only a hand job.
dealing or receiving?
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By Jetackuu 2022-03-11 19:13:41
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
After reading some of the comments, it seems people think botting MXP = RMT, but I'm not sure that's the case. What if some people botting are doing so while they're at work because they don't have time to manually do all of their jobs? Also, what's the difference between easyfarm and automating gear swapping via gearswap? I'm willing to bet most people complaining about bots automate other aspects of the game. Seems kinda hypocritical.

I mean, there's a vast difference between gearswap and using easyfarm but lol...

You still upset you got killed while botting for days on end?

Not really, but I am still upset that you screwed a bunch of us out of gil.

I never screwed anyone out of gil so whomever told you that nonsense is off their rocker. On top of that, I'm fairly certain I know what you're talking about and I can prove it wrong mathematically.
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-03-11 19:14:53
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Shichishito said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I didn't cheat on my wife since it was only a hand job.
dealing or receiving?
I'm a giver...
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By Odin.Lusiphur 2022-03-12 00:53:31
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We get it, FFXIAH. Half of you bot and buy gil. Now STFU about it already.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2022-03-12 01:40:07
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I'm a bot killer and proud of it. Don't care how much gil or time you lose, seeing those bots hit the ground makes my day.
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By Mrxi 2022-03-12 03:47:08
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Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
Shichishito said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I didn't cheat on my wife since it was only a hand job.
dealing or receiving?
I'm a giver...
Hows drinking and talking ***treating you on Bahamut anyways?
Still kicking people from LS for showing how to make SCH macros I would take it.
DGG 4Lyf...
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-03-12 11:47:02
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Mrxi said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
Shichishito said: »
Bahamut.Jedigamer said: »
I didn't cheat on my wife since it was only a hand job.
dealing or receiving?
I'm a giver...
Hows drinking and talking ***treating you on Bahamut anyways?
Still kicking people from LS for showing how to make SCH macros I would take it.
DGG 4Lyf...

Dude you were kicked because you made people in the shell uncomfortable. Stop pretending it had anything to do with macros.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-12 12:47:28
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What is this bad attempt at soap opera. No need to air dirty Bahamut laundry on here.
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By Bahamut.Jedigamer 2022-03-12 13:43:00
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Asura.Saevel said: »
What is this bad attempt at soap opera. No need to air dirty Bahamut laundry on here.

Not sure why Mrxi needed to bring up something that happened on Quetzalcoatl in 2017. All I wanted to do was point out that gearswap is cheating just like botting is and everyone lost their minds. I admit that I cheat so why can't others? It's an odd hill to die on.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 13:52:13
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They consider it the good kind of automation, which is "completely different" from botting

No matter how hilarious that is, it's not going to change. So. There's no point.
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By GetHelpNerd 2022-03-12 14:24:12
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
I'm a bot killer and proud of it. Don't care how much gil or time you lose, seeing those bots hit the ground makes my day.
i don't think you are, i've seen you make this claim in quite a few posts and not back it up.

put up or shut up. if you don't at least have a screenshot of a dead confirmed bot by the end of the day you need to stop spamming this ***
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By RadialArcana 2022-03-12 14:33:56
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GetHelpNerd said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
I'm a bot killer and proud of it. Don't care how much gil or time you lose, seeing those bots hit the ground makes my day.
i don't think you are, i've seen you make this claim in quite a few posts and not back it up.

put up or shut up. if you don't at least have a screenshot of a dead confirmed bot by the end of the day you need to stop spamming this ***

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By Odin.Senaki 2022-03-12 14:43:29
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Why not have SE create an invincible mob that roams Apex camps. Let it exclusively only aggro players who have been Afk / inactive for 20+ mins and insta kill them.

That would likely stop the RMT from Mercing job points and stealing the camps.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 14:46:35
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What if I told you they don't want to stop RMTs, would that explain why they don't do all the obvious things that anyone else would do? It's such a simple concept.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-03-12 14:46:59
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That will only affect buyers
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 14:50:31
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Killing afk buyers with that type of mob stops people from buying, thereby eliminating the ability to sell.

But that would mean subs go down.

Thou shalt not drastically lower the sub count, the only rule still in practice.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-12 15:04:37
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But that would mean subs go down.
that's a assertion, not a fact but if it's the case they might as well sell the job points and master levels themselfs.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 15:07:09
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Then that makes the other half quit because now you're P2W

It's the only ACTUAL balance they've ever practiced. Minimizing losses by keeping everyone just angry enough not to quit.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-12 15:19:07
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but FFXI already has P2W elements and it would be the same outcome except with the later solution ppl who actually want to exp manually wouldn't have to compete over camps with RMT bots.
it's also a fallacy that the lackluster enforcement against bots didn't cost FFXI player numbers.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 15:26:25
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It's balance. The ones smart enough to quit are covered by bot subs. -1 +1 -1 +1

They can't go up, so they do whatever it takes to stay at zero lost.

"p2w elements" the playerbase isn't smart enough to know they're the same. it's complicated but obvious. Indirect vs direct.

See, paying for a mule and getting "login items for free" is P2W. I pay $1 to get 2 free Kaggen's Cuticles, that I don't have to earn. BUT square didn't charge me a dollar FOR the items. They charged the dollar for the character, who "earned" the "bonus". It's obfuscation.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-12 15:35:31
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and what prevents them from adding similar obfuscation for job points and master levels?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 15:37:27
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Being unnecessary, I would say is the primary reason.

If they need to, they will.

Right now is that perfect balance. Can't get a party or a spot. Have to pay, but not willing to forgo Master levels. They get your sub, and the bots subs, and everyone is "happy". (*)enough to stay subbed and unwilling to risk FFXI closing by withdrawing their support. It's the literal "misery index" Google it.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-03-12 15:40:13
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They've aggressively fought RMT in the past. There were times at the peak of popularity they were banning hundreds of accounts per month on each server. They made revisions to the game early on that reduced RMT efficiency and cut out their source of gil. It was a back and forth for years.

The root of the problem, IMO, is the way certain revenue generators for RMT are structured. Go look at Salvage, you can't even get into some of them because it's so flooded with bots entering. The quantity of Alexandrite needed to finish a mythic is absurd, the whole mythic process is absurdly tedious and expensive. Unlike during ToAU days when mythics (and relics) were rare, Salvage shells ran regularly, so alex was circulating legitimately (although still absurdly expensive, it was a different era where mythics were few, as were relics, but it was still an effort thing instead of buying it via gil). Now, it's just fueling RMT fire because they are the only ones that go in and continually farm it. Given the time investment of doing all the assaults, farming tokens, farming ichor, killing ZNMs, getting 10k Beitetsu (this is more reachable by players IMO), then r15 via 60m in crystals, mythics are expensive and time consuming even without the alexandrite. Add in the alex and you have a gil printer. I don't know a single person with a mythic in this era that didn't buy a large quantity of it from alex bazaars in Nashmau. Just look at the quantities of it in their bazaar at all times

It's not JUST the mythic process, either, there are other areas like HMP where the same idea applies. The requirement made sense when people were running the content to get the items regularly, but no one does anymore, so it just leaves the door open for RMT to do it instead.

I guess my feeling is that RMT is making money off things no one wants to do because it's old content that isn't enjoyable, but that was once the cutting edge content people were running. If they really want to solve this, make it so real players can do something in lieu of these things with a group rather than spending so much gil on it. I think Odyssey is a good counter example, they are clearly botting v0 clears, but none of them are doing anything with segment farms and v15-v20 clears or rp farms. As much as I'd like to see the entry process improve some, they balanced those v-level Gaol fights well enough to prevent RMT from getting involved.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-12 15:44:25
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unnecessary to earn more money?
they already have maats mix and cocoction item for the job points, make them sendable within the same account, wham bam p2w job points done.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 15:46:06
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No mules are getting deeds lol(generally! there are lunatics out there)

Balance. If they push to hard, they tip the scale. You can't just lean all in on "obtain all the money". When you do that you make loot in the immediate and then it completely dries up.
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By Shichishito 2022-03-12 16:03:09
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Asura.Iamaman said: »
I guess my feeling is that RMT is making money off things no one wants to do
ppl will farm what ever makes money, if silk thread suddenly became valuable again you'd find ppl farming crawlers in sarutabaruta. the problem isn't ppl not doing the content, it's RMTing bots that cut manual farmers out of the market.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-12 16:04:35
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And that's a good thing. Absolutely no one should be farming crawlers in saruta, ever, regardless how much gil it earns.

Spend your playtime, playing. Instead of constantly obsessing about not having the newest and bestest +1 dps shiney.
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