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Troll Ambuscade V1
Odin.Sudra said: » While the sword is pulling, the red is fluffy I think this is the key :p That's a failure from the original screenshot in capturing the correct character. フうズル (second character is "u", making it fuazuru) vs フラズル (second character is "ra", making it furazuru) Translator couldn't handle it, hence fua = fluffy. Maybe one day we can rely on google sensei. Trollbuscade COR method ~2min Clear (Similar to Xolla except 1 less COR)
Job: RUN COR(DP) COR(Foma) GEO BRD SCH Distortion > Leaden GG! YouTube Video Placeholder Ragnarok.Jukiro said: » Odin.Sudra said: » While the sword is pulling, the red is fluffy I think this is the key :p That's a failure from the original screenshot in capturing the correct character. フうズル (second character is "u", making it fuazuru) vs フラズル (second character is "ra", making it furazuru) Translator couldn't handle it, hence fua = fluffy. Maybe one day we can rely on google sensei. Google sensei is pretty accurate when it comes to European languages (English, French etc) but soooo bad at Chinese/Japanese. How'd "RDM casts frazzle" got translated to "red is fluffy" is beyond me. Here's a SMN Strat video since noone posted one yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbfmxDY3vus YouTube Video Placeholder Xolla pwning some more, this time with a COR only spamming leaden to avoid Head Snatch. 
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So what are the suggested setups/approaches for Trollbuscade? Darkness SCs and kill boss under 30secs I'm seeing.
Ran it a bunch in VD this morning.
General roles: 1-2 dd 1 tank 2-3 support with aeolian edge and circle blade spam. 1 healer with elemental seal silence for the dahak. Open pull with tank, sending to corner to get slapped around, healer es silences dahak, dd drop dahak first then dd target boss full damage. support target rangers for tp and spam on those so not to interrupt dd chaining off. Hate reset will throat stab tank. just heal up and save a hate tool for it. Easy month. Been a few years since we've seen this one so here's a fresh video on it to remind soloers how to take this one out and give parties idea's for group strategies. Have a good month all!
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Sylph.Thelona said: » 1 healer with elemental seal silence for the dahak. I as GEO/RDM managed to land Silence on first cast but I had indi-focus on. Not sure if this is all a streak of good luck or if it's really that easy but it's worth investigating maybe, before considering the absolute necessity for stuff like Elemental Seal. With that said, someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think there's 4 main ways to handle the Dahak. 1) A single DD destroys it in mere seconds with SCs or CDs or whatever else. He will hardly have time to use Nullsong but it's still a potential risk 2) Someone silences it. He will still be able to use TP moves but no Nullsong. 3) DD on Dahak has enwater granted by a SCH/RDM or a RDM/SCH 4) GEO carefully casts timed water1 on the Dahak as it's being meleed by the DD, making the risk of Nullvoid very low if not even close to none. What is the purpose of the constant stream of AoE btw?
I get 2 trolls get their Aura removed by physical AoE, the other 2 trolls are procced by magical AoE. Ok so what? What does removing those trolls aura do? Prevent the main boss from using the dangerous TP moves, like the one that gives you losta unremovable 7+ mins debuffs? And I guess you are supposed to TP on the trolls, to reduce the TPfeed on the main boss? Aura gives regen and dt and opens terribad tp moves
TP feed on the boss is suboptimal, yes, doesn't really matter but headsnatch can be bad. Also that half a second where it has tp and aura starts, instant Pleiades Ray. whomp whomp. On vd is it all auras on the 4 ads?
2 magic and 2 physical? Or is it simpler and it's just proc and remove on 2 of the same type or 2 types of aura? I am wondering if someone kites the boss and another tanks the adds. if 2 people with AOE ws magical and physical can remove the auras. Water damage like any Dahak/Dragon will keep reducing its tp right?
Ultimaetus said: » Water damage like any Dahak/Dragon will keep reducing its tp right? Since I found the old posts a bit confusing and since I had vague memories of doing this the AoE WSs way and the BLM death MB way, I did several successful runs yesterday and want to add very detailed way to successfully perform this on VD.
Some of the steps I'll mention might not be necessary, if you see any please let me know so I can fix the post. Overall flow of the fight 1) Pull them behind initial corner 2) Slaughter Dahak 3) Kill megaboss (Bruiser) 4) Kill the adds Now a bit more details on the key steps Killing the Dahak Killing the boss If you kill boss, you basically just won the ambuscade. Potential setups: I find this ambuscade has a lot of flexibility in term of jobs, as long as you achieve the goal of the physical and magical AoE which is clearly the key. An example can be 1x Tank 1x BRD 1x COR 1x healer 2x DDs Don't really need a WHM. The most dangerous AoE damage is Body slam from the Dahak, which is dead fast. I've done some runs with the BRD/WHM healing lol, just saying. This is especially true if you have a PLD tank, thanks to Majesty. Speaking of tank, both PLD and RUN work no problem. In several of my runs we also had a RDM, who was using circle blade and hasting while the BRD healed. This also works with a single DD, provided he's properly buffed and he's a strong one. I've done runs without a tank, but at that point you really need a proper healing and I found it was a bit messier, especially at start. edit: Another small detail, someone asked if the 2 jobs using the AoE WS should TP on the trolls or on the megaboss. Pros and cons both ways. If you decide to TP on the trolls, make sure it's the RNG ones because the PLD ones can use invincible, which would make you unable to gain TP. Also make sure to have Barfire and Baramnesia, the RNGs can use a move that gives amnesia, making you unable to use the AoE WSs.
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Notes for RDM debuffs on megaboss (Bruiser):
I was easily able to land Sabo Frazzle3, Slow2, Paralyze2, Blind2. Gotta say slow and para kinda make for a noticeable difference. Could never land Distract3, not that I really tried that hard, but it always got resisted. Might be possible with macc food and/or other buffs and/or elementalseal I dunno, but I suspect you'd need Stymie to land it. YouTube Video Placeholder
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If anyone cares, no aura has to be up for Head Snatch.
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I attempted to duo VD with NIN + BRD, had no problem silencing the dahak with brd/whm in a great mag acc set (mostly AF+4), problem was once I switched to the boss it was too much aura spam and had to use nearly all my tp from both characters to keep auras down and not much dps was getting done so it just kind of stalled out and couldn't make much progress from there eventually it would get a bad move off.
Full groups should easily zerg it down, could probably 3 man it pretty easily, just need one person doing some damage on top of the set up I had and I think it would have been fine. Golden fist
Seems to be the trigger for auras? Anyone know why my ls members are reporting that they are being decimated by head snatch? I don't seem have an issue Yeah, my group kept spamming Circle Blade and Aeolian Edge but Head Seize kept creeping through anyway. Not understanding why. We got a win by simply zerging the boss from the start and getting lucky with Wild Card.
Not ideal, but got us a win. Keeping the aura off so it doesn't do anything stupid seems almost impossible, unless something is missing. I think the main move you're trying to avoid is Pleiades Ray. He will repeatedly put the aura back on but as long as you're removing it quickly enough I don't think he will be able to use that one because I believe he only does it after the aura is on too long. Personally haven't seen it in 25-30 runs. Head Seize though I don't think is really possible to completely prevent because he can use it any time the aura is active. Since he is spamming TP moves there's always a small window where his aura is active he might manage to use it. Only things I can think of to make it easier to deal with is making sure you have a PLD with good DT/Phalanx and if you have a WHM try to keep a cureskin on them or have the PLD sub something so they can stoneskin themselves. I have died a couple times on PLD to the other adds after Head Seize but usually the boss dies soon enough after that that it doesn't matter.
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Troll Ambu:
PLD DD DD BRD COR WHM (can probably go without a healer, can sub a DD out for a GEO, could use RUN in place of PLD, quite flexible) Tank pulls mobs back, does a JA/spell for hate. Absolutely nobody should hit the boss with any damage, including Reprisal, Shield Bash, or anything which brings him below 100% HP DDs kill the Dahak. Safest strat involves silencing the Dahak (should only take 1-2 tries from SCH or WHM) to avoid Nullsong, but it might die so fast as to not matter. Can also use Enwater from SCH/RDM or RDM/SCH to make it safer, but this guy's a pussy. COR and BRD engage RNGs and do Aeolian Edge & Circle Blade spam while the main DDs kill the boss. You need to WS every few seconds, so make sure you remove flash from these guys, and try to avoid getting conal amnesia'd by the boss Once boss is dead, kill the little trash adds, the fight is already over My notes from a couple years ago when this one rotated last. It seems like the aoe WS should be enough to keep all the auras down all the time. Haven't tried it this month though I don't think they said anything about changing it? It's been a while but I remember it being pretty uneventful and relatively easy, even back then.
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Can you just spam Circle Blade and Aeolean Edge on cooldown and it'll prevent the mob's auras from ever coming up? We've been having proccers waiting until the aura comes up then immediately using the appropriate ws depending on if its the rngs or plds auras that appear. There's a small window where the auras are up before they react so if spamming the aoe ws outright prevents that, that's more favorable
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I confirm it can be done without a healer (especially if you have PLD on tank).
There's not much damage going on, aside from that move which brings your HP to like 1 and resets hate. Healer is not a big deal AS LONG as you manage to proc both auras each time. If you fail even once, it's gonna be a bit more complicated to recover, without a healer. The people in charge of doing Aeolian Edge and Circle Blade need to be smart and position themselves so that their AoE hits ALL FOUR TARGETS. I cannot stress how many times I've seen the Boss manage to use its bad TP move because one of the targets was out of range and was not hit by its respective AoE. Other than that, the post I've written in 2023 is still valid.
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I believe what we didn't do is tell the PLD not to use Reprisal, which was bringing up the aura immediately after pull. Everyone jumping on the dragon to down that without the aura being up would make that easier. I'd have to check with the PLD to see what their phalanx is like.
And yes, we were just spamming WS instead of waiting for the aura to reappear. Anything to lower the chance of Head Seize or the Pleiades Ray. Thanks for the feedback. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Troll Ambu: PLD DD DD BRD COR WHM (can probably go without a healer, can sub a DD out for a GEO, could use RUN in place of PLD, quite flexible) Great post, especially the Reprisal/don't damage boss before killing Dahak tip. We've had some times where some BRDs/CORs/RDMs (lighter DDs doing AoEs) had a harder time keeping up with TP to remove auras immediately. If that's happening to you, having the heavier DDs ready to do some AoEs too can help. Remind the PLD that they can also Circle Blade if they have TP and see Sharpshooter's phys aura come up. Setups are indeed pretty flexible, I personally like WAR a lot here in the DD slot. Been using Chango and TPing on the Bruiser. Can slip in a Fell Cleave if needed to hit a physical proc and actually do respectable damage (at least, more than Circle Blade or whatever), Upheaval when you have TP and your other phys proccer(s) are doing fine or you have plenty of time before next aura. Armor Break is nice too. |
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