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Oh no Hydroxycloriquine is killing people.... jk.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-07-03 08:37:27
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

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"Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

i cant believe CNN of all places actually reported this.

but then they follow it up with this, because they didnt do the basest of research

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It's a surprising finding because several other studies have found no benefit from hydroxychloroquine, a drug originally developed to treat and prevent malaria. President Donald Trump touted the drug heavily, but later studies found not only did patients not do better if they got the drug, they were more likely to suffer cardiac side effects.


the study their referencing was faked. 100% fabricated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52929916

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Surgisphere chief executive Sapan Desai, the study's fourth author, told The Guardian newspaper he would co-operate with an independent audit but said transferring the data would "violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements".

Which is total ***; since in this kind of a study, the patients names could simply be masked without compromising the data integrity. it happens all the time. but wait- there's more. Turns out The company in question - surgisphere, looks to be fake. Manned by aparently an extremely small staff comprised of a a Science fiction novelist, and a porn star. :


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

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A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

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A search of publicly available material suggests several of Surgisphere’s employees have little or no data or scientific background. An employee listed as a science editor appears to be a science fiction author and fantasy artist whose professional profile suggests writing is her fulltime job. Another employee listed as a marketing executive is an adult model and events hostess, who also acts in videos for organisations.

Nearly every single study showing Hydroxycloriquine to have an adverse effect, came out of this 'lab' when traced back to its source.


This isnt funny at this point.

People have Literally died over this study.
People declined Hydroxycloriquine as a treatment, because the news told them it was bad. \
Hospitals literally stopped providing it as a treatment for no apparent reason.

you literally killed people - over orange man bad.
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By Cruz Missive 2020-07-03 09:02:32
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Hey, a new study, with parameters derived on the earlier data found more nuanced results! Welcome to science.

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you literally killed people - over orange man bad.

Cool, cool, was waiting for this part. Now:

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't politicized masks

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't withheld resources from states whose governors didn't sufficiently kiss his ring

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't had federal agents confiscating PPE from states that had bought it on their own - literally on the tarmac in at least one case

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he'd invoked the defense protection act for ventilators

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't withheld testing because it made poll numbers look bad

Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't pressured governors into reopening early


Get all the *** out of here with this ***. You want to defend your boy on judges or the economy or whatever, fine. There's arguments to be had there. But Covid? He has been an unmitigated disaster. Six figures of Americans are dead and the number climbs every day. How any of that is defensible is beyond me.
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By Drama Torama 2020-07-03 09:19:20
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Also, you cherry picked that article.

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Results from one clinical trial at the University of Minnesota have shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective at preventing coronavirus.

We still don't really have any idea how effective it is! Even the newer trials have had mixed results. But the potential side effects are not news - it's a known quantity - which is why it people shied away from it. Not because "orange man bad", but because "this hasn't shown sufficient reward to justify the risk".

Honestly, I'm really just stunned the dexamethasone trials haven't gotten a lot more play, since they've shown efficacy and the drug is cheap, plentiful, and known to be safe.
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-07-03 09:22:22
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Hey, a new study, with parameters derived on the earlier data found more nuanced results! Welcome to science.

oh i was more pointing out that we based our reaction to this drug over a fake medical labs results - because orange man bad.

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Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't politicized masks

https://www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html

Debatable- we still have zero reliable data that mask use is actually preventing/slowing the spread. Masks dont prevent you from contracting it, and its dubious as to their efficicay in mitigating the spread. at the very best it may mitigate asymptomatic transmission when normal breathing occurs, but wont mitigate anyone coughing or sneezing.


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Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't had federal agents confiscating PPE from states that had bought it on their own - literally on the tarmac in at least one case

None because this never happened. this is called facts I don't like. Have you actually read the context of the defense production act? the DPA that the democrats (and you by way of your next argument) demanded trump use? that he eventually caved in and used, for wait for it- PPE.

The context of the DPA is effectively that any manufacturer subject to the DPA must fulfill any federal government order before any private or state order. No PPE was EVER confiscated. No PPE was EVER illegally seized.


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Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he'd invoked the defense protection act for ventilators

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-ventilator-shortages-have-not-come-to-pass/

None- We actually never ran out of ventilators at any point in time anywhere in the country. the massive field hospitals we set up in newyork, and even the naval medical ships went completely unused. we did however have the PPE shortages, to which he DID use the DPA, and was swiftly critiqued for it

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Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't withheld testing because it made poll numbers look bad

you'll need to source that one because this is the first time ive EVER heard that claim - and it honestly reeks of tinfoil...

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Tell me how many lives would have been saved if he hadn't pressured governors into reopening early

little if any to be honest. we saw virtually ZERO uptic in cases, and deaths continued to trend down, all through his push to re-open. we didnt see a surge untill specifically a few days after the BLM protesting began world wide.

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Get all the *** out of here with this ***. You want to defend your boy on judges or the economy or whatever, fine. There's arguments to be had there. But Covid? He has been an unmitigated disaster. Six figures of Americans are dead and the number climbs every day. How any of that is defensible is beyond me.

i think you might have been a little too hard on the coolaid on this one...

when it comes to testing - nobody in the world is out testing the USA - which is why our rates are so much higher. we are literally testing 50% more than the next leading country, which is russia.

France, italy, spain, the UK, Sweeden, belgium, have ALL had a higher mortality rate than the USA. Yes the USA Leads in deaths. We also dwarf most every population that isnt Russia, China, and India. thats why deaths per million is the only measurement that matters. were india and china doing anything resembling proper testing - and not lying about the results like china - they would be dwarfing the united states, because their healthcare systems dont even begin to come close to ours.
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By Viciouss 2020-07-03 09:31:10
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We already had an active covid thread. Did you think creating a thread gave your conspiracies more credence or something?
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By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-07-03 09:34:29
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Viciouss said: »
We already had an active covid thread. Did you think creating a thread gave your conspiracies more credence or something?


what conspiracy?
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By Rooks 2020-07-03 09:42:22
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God damn it, I lost my post. Someone should fix this website.

Anyway, we have a covid thread, so I'm locking this one.

I don't have time to go through your ***line by line (AGAIN, stupid form refresh), but I will say that you're careening into the "covid disinformation" lane that I've explicitly said will result in getting banned, so maybe just wear a mask instead of a tinfoil hat for a while and see how it fits.
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