Let's Start A Riot?!?!

1. no doubt the numbers posted are incomprehensibly small to draw any hard data from.

2. however, 98% of police violence isn't even investigated, so not included in those 1043. And, the question I and many have isn't just about the deaths, but the unnecessary violence as a whole.

3. we both are guilty of the crime of assumption. I am starting from the viewpoint of assuming something bad happened until proven it didn't. And you starting from the viewpoint of assuming they're good people until proven they're not. And the truth, without doubt, is somewhere between us both.

1 "good kill" doesn't excuse 1 unjustified kill.

10,000 "good kills" don't excuse 1 unjustified kill.

Police is one of the professions where "*** one goat" is deserved.

...but do they call me O'Malley the Bridge builder? NOOOOOOOOOOOO

We’re talking in terms of recorded demographics, not hypotheticals. However, those hypotheticals are a major reason why causation can’t be proved, so it’s a mixed bag.

Man.... i laughed when this all broke out, and ironically said "What is the end goal? Do you want to delete the police? you cant delete the police." What a fool i was. they've proven me wrong. The Minneapolis legislature apparently has stated that there are enough votes to enact a veto-proof measure to literally delete the police.

What is this reality were living in <_>

They’re just one factor among many recordable and unrecordable demographics. Don’t get mad that I can’t read your mind, you didn’t even specify.

They’re not getting rid of the police. If that was your take from your source then you only got 50% of the plan.

They plan on dissolving the current police organization and rebuild a new one. Irony is the only immediately qualified people will be coming from the dissolved one.

Source please. The guidelines associated with the Department of Justice states that all manners of death, including deaths by police officers are to be investigated by these guidelines.

Also, the 1,099 number comes from police reports. Meaning that a coroners report is included in the report. Meaning every death that happens by a police officer is investigated.

My opinion is more in line of "wait for the facts" instead of "assume the good until proven false."

Then again, we live in a society where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Well, used to at least (hi2u Covington and Kavenaugh).

i mean..... do you live in reality?

Heres how this goes down in reality

1. They vote to disband the police force
2. because they know that they just cant remove them overnight, they establish a plan to phase them out over the course of the next year or so
3. The cops then say "hey, thats a nice plan you have there. It would be a shame if the entire policeforce resigned over night"
4. Now their old police force doesnt exist anymore, now they cant staff their new police force regardless, because no cop is going to want to work in a city that literally just backstabbed all of its police forces because of one bad apple who, and listen closely to this
next part because its important: WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY THE LEGISLATURE FOR ACCEPTABLE RESTRAINT METHODS.

To be clear- i'm not defending the action. it shouldnt be a rule in the first place - but that does not change or diminish the fact that you can clearly read in the Minneapolis PD guidelines, that they are permitted to perform neckholds on suspects resisting arrest. Now tell me- what cop is going to want to work for a city that is going to fire them, and put them in jail for following the rules as they were written? the answer is : They wont.

from 2014 ~



and i guess ~ this advice is irrelevant now?



some dumb pics i found /shrug

/plays Devil's Advocate

One could state that Floyd wasn't resisting arrest, which makes the procedure used against Floyd against the PD guidelines

/steps away

On the side note, expect a lot of police officers requesting transfers out of the city and into other cities. Also expect Minneapolis to become a ghost town, as nobody is going to want to live in a city that has no businesses in there, and no business is willing to stay in an area that not only is rampant in crime with a police force, will be impossible to conduct business in without a police force.

If you want to know how to destroy a city from the inside, look no further than the Minneapolis City Council.

If their plan is to tear down and rebuild the organization; what makes you so sure this protocol, that is essentially the cause of all this, is going to remain?

You’re making an argumentative point off a presumption, that when all things are considered, it isn’t really substantial.

Which then flips the question: Are you sure you’re living in reality?

i think you dont understand the point i was making.... like... at all. That rule surviving the transition was never even a component of the argument being made. The point i explicitly made was "do you think these cops are just going to keep working knowing theyll all be fired in a few months?" and then i backed that point up by pointing out that no cop will want to work for a city that isnt going to protect them when they follow the rules.

Hell has frozen over...

I agree with Hideka...

what are cops going to do? learn to code?

People believing state is going to give up enforcement power, smh. At best going to reduce situations cops are called (drug enforcement/sex work/social work/etc).

work for the county, state or another city

And yet posted data without the neccessary additional context. And then made an assumption that the armed deaths, which includes those with arms located within their vehicle, in reach or not, were definitely due to drawing on police.

Checks out.

Nope, try again.

It's exactly what you tried to say.

Everyone "with a weapon" was a villain, rightfully murdered by the police.

No worry about it being a gun, or a super soaker, or a wallet, a bat, a rake.

Killed in the same yard as a lawnmower? that's a weapon.
Killed in a house that has steak knives? WEAPONS!
Everything is a weapon when you're scared shitless.
And you can say anything is a weapon when no one holds you accountable.

Here is the post. Quote where it says what you are inferring to.

I dare you.

Now you are being factitious. I strongly believe you are just trolling at this point.

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/06/08/commonwealths-attorney-man-who-drove-through-group-protesters-is-leader-kkk/?fbclid=IwAR0P034jKi0W40gxzwZuXtyLTrxuPFg7hwFEYGdXs0P6kL4HDjvZIV4goZ4

word for word identical

So, where again was the 2nd quote from? Oh, right, it doesn't exist.

So, trolling confirmed now.

Edit: Protip, you know those two ">>" right next to "Asura.Kingnobody said:" in the quote? Scragg made it so if you click on the two ">>" it links directly to the quote in question. Guess what's missing from the second quote?

Let’s not lose the ability to edit.

3 out of 4 poker chips are Green

1 out of 4 poker chips are Yellow

These are identical statements.