Predictions On Impact Of Covid-19
Predictions on impact of Covid-19
And really it’s not so much a problem with the animals that are being eaten, it’s the handling and the prep that’s the issue. An FDA agent would have a heart attack if they found that here.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
And really it’s not so much a problem with the animals that are being eaten, it’s the handling and the prep that’s the issue. An FDA agent would have a heart attack if they found that here.
100% on this.
Pork will make you sick as hell unless the meat is treated before preparing it. This is a huge reason many cultures consider it off-limits because it CAN be dangerous if not properly handled.
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None of these will happen, Japan and Cuba already have medicine for coronavirus, this post is idiotic and may panic some players reading this thread.
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Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
DirectX said: »
Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
People who blame 1.4B Chinese victims are stupid. People who blame China (as in the government) are not stupid. Why would you list them together as if they were the same thing?
I don't see how they can be blamed either - because they didn't ban eating random animals sooner? I blame bat eating freaks.
Second, if you are blaming the people who eat bats, then you are blaming the Chinese.
Finally, food had nothing to do with this. People have been eatig bats for thousands of years. Stop spreading CCP propaganda.
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DirectX said: »
I said 'China' meaning "the people of China" and 'The Chinese' meaning to include Chinese people in the countries of the stupid people. Noone from where I am from would understand what I said in the context which you understood it, but in the way I did.
It's this thing called vernacular, people speak in different ways in different parts of the world in the ssme language.
If I blame people who eat bats then I am blaming the specific extreme minority of people who do that. It is not common practice and it is not done in major cities where people are more Westernised.
Please tell us how this spread, given that you are clearly in the know about everything.
It's this thing called vernacular, people speak in different ways in different parts of the world in the ssme language.
If I blame people who eat bats then I am blaming the specific extreme minority of people who do that. It is not common practice and it is not done in major cities where people are more Westernised.
Please tell us how this spread, given that you are clearly in the know about everything.
As for the origins, the wet market is 300 yards away from the Wuhan Virology Labs. What makes more sense, that animals living together just spawned a disease, or that people actually testing SARS trying to make a vaccine might have made a mistake and let the disease out?
If this actually came from the market, why did the government arrest the doctors who first made this information public? But if the disease actually happened because a government organization screwed up, then it makes more sense for them to try to cover it up and deal with the problem without much fanfare.
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Good evening, for the moment no serious study to date specifically indicates the origin of the Covid-19, without excluding the possibility of animal transmission, the peak of the epidemic in Europe is far from being reached in Italy is still undergoing 6000 more contaminations only for today and more than 4000 dead all under unrestricted confinement, France (where I live) is the second country in the process of becoming the new cluster, effectively if the population of a country in the midst of an epidemic rise does not respect confinement the impact in terms of mortality could exceed that of china everything rests on citizen civility, despite all this anxiety a hope of a vaccine - treatment could see the light of day a clinical trial of a French infectious disease specialist using a malaria medication cross our fingers, stay at home when I see the condition of patients with resuscitation lying on their stomachs. This is not to be taken lightly. Sorry its translate google traduction
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When the dust settles, when treatment has been established and a vaccine completed I can see a lot of the world turning on China for the actions of the CCP. Anyone, whether politician or celebrity, who downplays the CCP's earth-shattering incompetence will become persona-non-grata.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
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Ruaumoko said: »
When the dust settles, when treatment has been established and a vaccine completed I can see a lot of the world turning on China for the actions of the CCP. Anyone, whether politician or celebrity, who downplays the CCP's earth-shattering incompetence will become persona-non-grata.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
Incredibly accurate. The xenophobia after this, especially with those currently in powerful places, is going to be palpable- and will just feed on itself. I definitely see travel bans, but I fear them just stacking on top of one other as retribution for one- US places travel bans on citizens of country X, so country Y bans US travel, over and over.
Not saying there shouldn't be international pressure among developed countries to create a higher worldwide standard for what many of us consider just logical decisions. Just that we have systems for such things already in place that should be used to handle this with the largest possible coalition of the willing- not retribution and ball swinging.
In a real world, you're right, all that ***would happen.
In the world we *** live in, absolutely zero of that will happen. Oh there will be fake outrage and lies, but cash is still *** KING. and not a god damn thing will change.
Oh it's chatterbox, not P&R, I can edit.
To clarify. All the ***you love and need will still be made in China and you'll all be big-fake-mad but still buying happily because it costs less to make.
No jobs are going to come back to america, no new sanctions or whatever *** against the chinese will happen (for real) no punishment, no penalty, no disdain, no change at all. It's more important to let cheaper slaves do the work, and nothing will ever *** change that.
Fake outrage when the dust does settle, and then business as usual the literal next day. The only difference will be that you'll all be racist as *** against Chinese Americans who had *** to do with it. Sorry, correction, MORE racist.
And you'll still vote trumps stupid *** back in again. It's literally screaming into the void, nobody learns a damn thing. (it's got nothing to do with republican or democrat, trumps a dumb *** regardless of party)
In the world we *** live in, absolutely zero of that will happen. Oh there will be fake outrage and lies, but cash is still *** KING. and not a god damn thing will change.
Oh it's chatterbox, not P&R, I can edit.
To clarify. All the ***you love and need will still be made in China and you'll all be big-fake-mad but still buying happily because it costs less to make.
No jobs are going to come back to america, no new sanctions or whatever *** against the chinese will happen (for real) no punishment, no penalty, no disdain, no change at all. It's more important to let cheaper slaves do the work, and nothing will ever *** change that.
Fake outrage when the dust does settle, and then business as usual the literal next day. The only difference will be that you'll all be racist as *** against Chinese Americans who had *** to do with it. Sorry, correction, MORE racist.
And you'll still vote trumps stupid *** back in again. It's literally screaming into the void, nobody learns a damn thing. (it's got nothing to do with republican or democrat, trumps a dumb *** regardless of party)
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Why are you always so negative? What did they do to you in your lifetime to be such a damn grouch lol, jesus.
Just being honest
No one gives a rats *** about anything but money, whatever it takes. And everyone else is to stupid or apathetic to notice or care. It's infuriating.
No one gives a rats *** about anything but money, whatever it takes. And everyone else is to stupid or apathetic to notice or care. It's infuriating.
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@Eiryl-
I won't argue that cash is king, and while the outrage will be real, the financial crutch that East Asia is for the Western World gives them more power than any army or missile ever could- its what China figured out and the USSR never did. And it gives them a high level of immunity when it comes to ethics and morality.
I won't speak for Rauko, but I will say for myself that what I actually fear is that xenophobic racism being legislated because of the power of that #MAGA crowd and leadership that you so vehemently mentioned. I think that for true safety of the world, not jobs or 'muricafirst, those health standards need to be addressed by a body such as the WHO with the backing of the UN for safety factors for not only OTHER countries, but citizens of those countries with lax policy. And travel bans combined with economic penalties enforced by the power of the consumers would be the two most effective yet fair ways to put pressure on places to address these issues. I think most rational people want these things addressed again for safety issues. But its going to be next to impossible to apply such travel bans,etc without doing so in a racist manner with today's political environment, and it WILL be impossible to economically separate ourselves from China.
I do find it incredibly hypocritical when I see anti-vaxxers scream about wet markets, or iPhone videos whining about governments being more concerned about profits than the safety of their citizens....and that's where you're 100% on, Eiryl.
But please, don't assume all are in agreement with what is loudest. I'm not saying those who disagree with current American politics are the majority- but as with pretty much every post-FDR election in the United States, the true variances between political subgroups in America are extremely small, and simplified by party leadership and media into "two teams" instead of a more refined view of cobbled together coalitions of ideas. The problem is that if you agree with one policy of a group, it then is used against you as weaponry to ensure your vote for an entire platform. And most models show at least 20% of the voters at any time don't approves of EITHER major party, and many won't vote for either major presidential candidate because they don't want to water down their own values.
I'd like to hope for honest discussion, at least on a person to person level, about real things that need addressed and effective/moral ways of enforcing such things. I don't expect such level discussion on the national/international stages- these days I just hope for a rational conversation where I can learn something new whether with a friend, a casual conversation at a concert or event, or even just some discord banter during a boring ambuscade. I think if people just have enjoyable open conversation we can at least start a return to civil discourse and exchange of ideas.
I won't argue that cash is king, and while the outrage will be real, the financial crutch that East Asia is for the Western World gives them more power than any army or missile ever could- its what China figured out and the USSR never did. And it gives them a high level of immunity when it comes to ethics and morality.
I won't speak for Rauko, but I will say for myself that what I actually fear is that xenophobic racism being legislated because of the power of that #MAGA crowd and leadership that you so vehemently mentioned. I think that for true safety of the world, not jobs or 'muricafirst, those health standards need to be addressed by a body such as the WHO with the backing of the UN for safety factors for not only OTHER countries, but citizens of those countries with lax policy. And travel bans combined with economic penalties enforced by the power of the consumers would be the two most effective yet fair ways to put pressure on places to address these issues. I think most rational people want these things addressed again for safety issues. But its going to be next to impossible to apply such travel bans,etc without doing so in a racist manner with today's political environment, and it WILL be impossible to economically separate ourselves from China.
I do find it incredibly hypocritical when I see anti-vaxxers scream about wet markets, or iPhone videos whining about governments being more concerned about profits than the safety of their citizens....and that's where you're 100% on, Eiryl.
But please, don't assume all are in agreement with what is loudest. I'm not saying those who disagree with current American politics are the majority- but as with pretty much every post-FDR election in the United States, the true variances between political subgroups in America are extremely small, and simplified by party leadership and media into "two teams" instead of a more refined view of cobbled together coalitions of ideas. The problem is that if you agree with one policy of a group, it then is used against you as weaponry to ensure your vote for an entire platform. And most models show at least 20% of the voters at any time don't approves of EITHER major party, and many won't vote for either major presidential candidate because they don't want to water down their own values.
I'd like to hope for honest discussion, at least on a person to person level, about real things that need addressed and effective/moral ways of enforcing such things. I don't expect such level discussion on the national/international stages- these days I just hope for a rational conversation where I can learn something new whether with a friend, a casual conversation at a concert or event, or even just some discord banter during a boring ambuscade. I think if people just have enjoyable open conversation we can at least start a return to civil discourse and exchange of ideas.
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Ruaumoko said: »
When the dust settles, when treatment has been established and a vaccine completed I can see a lot of the world turning on China for the actions of the CCP. Anyone, whether politician or celebrity, who downplays the CCP's earth-shattering incompetence will become persona-non-grata.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
I can see corporations being pressured by governments to move their operations out of China, it will make them take a hit financially but they either take said hit or people at home start boycotting their products when they return.
I can see travel bans being implemented on all flights leaving China bound for other nations, all nations that impose them, until these Wet Markets where all these Pandemics begin are permanently shut down.
Above all, this is going to do serious damage to the CCP within China. When the truth starts getting out about the CCP covering up the outbreak to save face Chinese people will start turning on their government. Chernobyl was what started the same for those living under the USSR and this could be the CCP's equivalent.
To those that feel offended by the thread:
I know people are dying. I could be one of them.
I am in no way trivializing this pandemic. On the contrary, the more we talk about the better, as more will become aware of just how severe this is.
Having said that, I'm not going to go sit in a corner and wait to die while I'm here. I'm going to try and keep myself entertained, engaged and socializing during the quarantine.
its either that or me and my wife will end up killing each other :)
Draylo said: »
Why are you always so negative? What did they do to you in your lifetime to be such a damn grouch lol, jesus.
Because not all of us are as immature as you. lol
Asura.Eiryl said: »
In a real world, you're right, all that ***would happen.
In the world we *** live in, absolutely zero of that will happen. Oh there will be fake outrage and lies, but cash is still *** KING. and not a god damn thing will change.
Oh it's chatterbox, not P&R, I can edit.
To clarify. All the ***you love and need will still be made in China and you'll all be big-fake-mad but still buying happily because it costs less to make.
No jobs are going to come back to america, no new sanctions or whatever *** against the chinese will happen (for real) no punishment, no penalty, no disdain, no change at all. It's more important to let cheaper slaves do the work, and nothing will ever *** change that.
Fake outrage when the dust does settle, and then business as usual the literal next day. The only difference will be that you'll all be racist as *** against Chinese Americans who had *** to do with it. Sorry, correction, MORE racist.
And you'll still vote trumps stupid *** back in again. It's literally screaming into the void, nobody learns a damn thing. (it's got nothing to do with republican or democrat, trumps a dumb *** regardless of party)
In the world we *** live in, absolutely zero of that will happen. Oh there will be fake outrage and lies, but cash is still *** KING. and not a god damn thing will change.
Oh it's chatterbox, not P&R, I can edit.
To clarify. All the ***you love and need will still be made in China and you'll all be big-fake-mad but still buying happily because it costs less to make.
No jobs are going to come back to america, no new sanctions or whatever *** against the chinese will happen (for real) no punishment, no penalty, no disdain, no change at all. It's more important to let cheaper slaves do the work, and nothing will ever *** change that.
Fake outrage when the dust does settle, and then business as usual the literal next day. The only difference will be that you'll all be racist as *** against Chinese Americans who had *** to do with it. Sorry, correction, MORE racist.
And you'll still vote trumps stupid *** back in again. It's literally screaming into the void, nobody learns a damn thing. (it's got nothing to do with republican or democrat, trumps a dumb *** regardless of party)
And you'll be still selling gil with a sense of moral superiority and bitching about FFXI.
World wide collapse , and chickens shall rise up and destroy us all!
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Bismarck.Laurelli said: »
DirectX said: »
I said 'China' meaning "the people of China" and 'The Chinese' meaning to include Chinese people in the countries of the stupid people. Noone from where I am from would understand what I said in the context which you understood it, but in the way I did.
It's this thing called vernacular, people speak in different ways in different parts of the world in the ssme language.
If I blame people who eat bats then I am blaming the specific extreme minority of people who do that. It is not common practice and it is not done in major cities where people are more Westernised.
Please tell us how this spread, given that you are clearly in the know about everything.
It's this thing called vernacular, people speak in different ways in different parts of the world in the ssme language.
If I blame people who eat bats then I am blaming the specific extreme minority of people who do that. It is not common practice and it is not done in major cities where people are more Westernised.
Please tell us how this spread, given that you are clearly in the know about everything.
I would use "PRC citizens" or "mainland Chinese" to describe people living in mainland China. "Ethic Chinese" to describe people who grew up and influenced by Chinese culture. I would also use "PRC" instead of "China" for that specific country to avoid the "which China?" confusion.
"Ethic Chinese" and "PRC citizens" are 2 different things, but in English they are not separated, thus all the confusion.
Bahamut.Celebrindal said: »
@Eiryl-
I won't argue that cash is king, and while the outrage will be real, the financial crutch that East Asia is for the Western World gives them more power than any army or missile ever could- its what China figured out and the USSR never did. And it gives them a high level of immunity when it comes to ethics and morality.
I won't speak for Rauko, but I will say for myself that what I actually fear is that xenophobic racism being legislated because of the power of that #MAGA crowd and leadership that you so vehemently mentioned. I think that for true safety of the world, not jobs or 'muricafirst, those health standards need to be addressed by a body such as the WHO with the backing of the UN for safety factors for not only OTHER countries, but citizens of those countries with lax policy. And travel bans combined with economic penalties enforced by the power of the consumers would be the two most effective yet fair ways to put pressure on places to address these issues. I think most rational people want these things addressed again for safety issues. But its going to be next to impossible to apply such travel bans,etc without doing so in a racist manner with today's political environment, and it WILL be impossible to economically separate ourselves from China.
I do find it incredibly hypocritical when I see anti-vaxxers scream about wet markets, or iPhone videos whining about governments being more concerned about profits than the safety of their citizens....and that's where you're 100% on, Eiryl.
But please, don't assume all are in agreement with what is loudest. I'm not saying those who disagree with current American politics are the majority- but as with pretty much every post-FDR election in the United States, the true variances between political subgroups in America are extremely small, and simplified by party leadership and media into "two teams" instead of a more refined view of cobbled together coalitions of ideas. The problem is that if you agree with one policy of a group, it then is used against you as weaponry to ensure your vote for an entire platform. And most models show at least 20% of the voters at any time don't approves of EITHER major party, and many won't vote for either major presidential candidate because they don't want to water down their own values.
I'd like to hope for honest discussion, at least on a person to person level, about real things that need addressed and effective/moral ways of enforcing such things. I don't expect such level discussion on the national/international stages- these days I just hope for a rational conversation where I can learn something new whether with a friend, a casual conversation at a concert or event, or even just some discord banter during a boring ambuscade. I think if people just have enjoyable open conversation we can at least start a return to civil discourse and exchange of ideas.
I won't argue that cash is king, and while the outrage will be real, the financial crutch that East Asia is for the Western World gives them more power than any army or missile ever could- its what China figured out and the USSR never did. And it gives them a high level of immunity when it comes to ethics and morality.
I won't speak for Rauko, but I will say for myself that what I actually fear is that xenophobic racism being legislated because of the power of that #MAGA crowd and leadership that you so vehemently mentioned. I think that for true safety of the world, not jobs or 'muricafirst, those health standards need to be addressed by a body such as the WHO with the backing of the UN for safety factors for not only OTHER countries, but citizens of those countries with lax policy. And travel bans combined with economic penalties enforced by the power of the consumers would be the two most effective yet fair ways to put pressure on places to address these issues. I think most rational people want these things addressed again for safety issues. But its going to be next to impossible to apply such travel bans,etc without doing so in a racist manner with today's political environment, and it WILL be impossible to economically separate ourselves from China.
I do find it incredibly hypocritical when I see anti-vaxxers scream about wet markets, or iPhone videos whining about governments being more concerned about profits than the safety of their citizens....and that's where you're 100% on, Eiryl.
But please, don't assume all are in agreement with what is loudest. I'm not saying those who disagree with current American politics are the majority- but as with pretty much every post-FDR election in the United States, the true variances between political subgroups in America are extremely small, and simplified by party leadership and media into "two teams" instead of a more refined view of cobbled together coalitions of ideas. The problem is that if you agree with one policy of a group, it then is used against you as weaponry to ensure your vote for an entire platform. And most models show at least 20% of the voters at any time don't approves of EITHER major party, and many won't vote for either major presidential candidate because they don't want to water down their own values.
I'd like to hope for honest discussion, at least on a person to person level, about real things that need addressed and effective/moral ways of enforcing such things. I don't expect such level discussion on the national/international stages- these days I just hope for a rational conversation where I can learn something new whether with a friend, a casual conversation at a concert or event, or even just some discord banter during a boring ambuscade. I think if people just have enjoyable open conversation we can at least start a return to civil discourse and exchange of ideas.
There can only be 2.
Only sith deal in absolutes
Sylph.Shadamar said: »
World wide collapse , and chickens shall rise up and destroy us all!
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All this currency our leaders are grabbing up, is going to end up in vain, when the system supporting that currency collapses...
Valefor.Endoq said: »
All this currency our leaders are grabbing up, is going to end up in vain, when the system supporting that currency collapses...
Everyone who has/had cash is checking out.
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By Mid April this will fade away
Like all the other epidemics in the last 70 years
Take this to heart - Observe what Fear and Fear Mongers
will do to to rational people
Like all the other epidemics in the last 70 years
Take this to heart - Observe what Fear and Fear Mongers
will do to to rational people
kireek said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Fake outrage when the dust does settle, and then business as usual the literal next day. The only difference will be that you'll all be racist as *** against Chinese Americans who had *** to do with it. Sorry, correction, MORE racist.
Nobody is being racist to Chinese people, we hate the Chinese government and we all should for what they are doing to us. They should be called out for all the evil asshat things they do and this "ur racist" play that is always used needs to be shoved right back up their *** where it belongs.
Thankfully, unlike almost every western leader that crumples and capitulates 100% when this tactic is used Trump doesn't give a crap about it and will tell it like it is and pass laws to protect the country and put sanctions on China too if needbe.
This is why they need Trump and why he is a great leader, because unlike almost every other leader out there he won't drop to his knees when called a racist out of nowhere over anything (which is the kryptonite they always use against western leaders).
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Well, Trump said it so "it's alright". Lol. People made it a big deal because Trump said it and they hate Trump, or people claim its alright it's because Trump said it and they love Trump.
Love him or hate him don't you think your opinion on this specific issue is based on your personal feelings about your leader?
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