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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-09-24 15:25:19
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The odds of Trump getting impeached are probably pretty good, and I think that's awesome because the odds of the Senate actually convicting are next to nothing. Given what happened with Clinton, I can't imagine what the Dems are thinking is going to come of this. If Trump is such an easy opponent like they seem to want everyone to believe, then this is a really stupid risk.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 15:37:28
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Releasing the phone transcript should clear some things up (if he goes through with it).

/shrug

Its just funny because the Biden scandal died before it even started.
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By Nausi 2019-09-24 15:55:38
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
The odds of Trump getting impeached are probably pretty good, and I think that's awesome because the odds of the Senate actually convicting are next to nothing. Given what happened with Clinton, I can't imagine what the Dems are thinking is going to come of this. If Trump is such an easy opponent like they seem to want everyone to believe, then this is a really stupid risk.
Except the polls are wrong, and this is their only shot.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 16:01:25
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lol, it's true that Rasmussen and Zogby are woefully inaccurate.

Pelosi is on solid ground initiating an inquiry, the admin is breaking the law everyday by not turning over the complaint to Congress.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-09-24 17:32:58
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Even if you want to argue against one or two pollsters, the RCP aggregated average currently has Trump at his highest approval since Feb. 2017.

You'd better believe that impeachment is a desperation play.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 17:59:27
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I'm not the one that is trying to argue the "polls are wrong." I'm perfectly content to accept the RCP aggregate having Trump in the red, along with all the pollsters having Trump behind at least 4 Dem candidates. This impeachment inquiry is not even close to being a "desperation play" lol. There is nothing for the Dems to be desperate about right now.

Besides, its easy to look at RCP and see how much Rasmussen is propping Trump up. +8? Give us a break. You know thats not accurate at all.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 18:21:02
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Who cares about some poll...

I could make a poll showing you how much I don't care...but what's the point !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-09-24 18:24:06
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lolwhat
In his universe 16 year olds can't have their own political opinion and are therefore manipulated by the liberals.

The conservatives merely "educate" their teen followers.

Full disclosure: I had political opinions at 8.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-09-24 18:25:30
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
The odds of Trump getting impeached are probably pretty good, and I think that's awesome because the odds of the Senate actually convicting are next to nothing. Given what happened with Clinton, I can't imagine what the Dems are thinking is going to come of this. If Trump is such an easy opponent like they seem to want everyone to believe, then this is a really stupid risk.
I fully agree with you here.

I suspect Nancy would as well.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 18:42:11
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I thought they shut down mental asylums but somehow these *** are out walking among us !

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By Nausi 2019-09-24 18:43:03
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Viciouss said: »
lolwhat
In his universe 16 year olds can't have their own political opinion and are therefore manipulated by the liberals.

The conservatives merely "educate" their teen followers.

Full disclosure: I had political opinions at 8.
Lol source?
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 18:45:48
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Speaking of psychos have you seen this *** ? lol

Them must have upped here anti psychotics cause she barely blinks !

And a bad botox job has her lips all funny..hmmm

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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 18:52:32
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Nausi said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Viciouss said: »
lolwhat
In his universe 16 year olds can't have their own political opinion and are therefore manipulated by the liberals.

The conservatives merely "educate" their teen followers.

Full disclosure: I had political opinions at 8.
Lol source?

lol...you
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 18:56:11
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I'll save everyone many pages of pointless arguments:

lol no

lol yes


lol source


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By fonewear 2019-09-24 18:56:34
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That is the low even for FFXIAH low standards.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 18:57:38
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Seems like we are finally getting reports that the WH is going to actually turn the whistleblower complaint as well as the telephone call to Congress. That was a pretty fast cave.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-09-24 19:11:24
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Viciouss said: »
I'm not the one that is trying to argue the "polls are wrong." I'm perfectly content to accept the RCP aggregate having Trump in the red, along with all the pollsters having Trump behind at least 4 Dem candidates. This impeachment inquiry is not even close to being a "desperation play" lol. There is nothing for the Dems to be desperate about right now.

Besides, its easy to look at RCP and see how much Rasmussen is propping Trump up. +8? Give us a break. You know thats not accurate at all.

You, like most people, are looking at the polls the wrong way. The actual numbers are somewhat irrelevant because polls all have different methodologies and questions. The strength of polls (especially aggregates) lies in the trends. You're so caught up in Rasmussen's numbers that you immediately dismiss them, but in so doing fail to recognize that Rasmussen is better suited as a trend bellwether than most other polls because it updates daily.

You're going to miss the forest because you spend too much time hugging your favorite trees. I should also note that Trump can absolutely still win the election with a negative approval/disapproval spread. Just because someone doesn't like him and/or refuses to vote for him doesn't mean they'll automatically vote for whoever the Dems throw at us. You may have a binary worldview, but not everyone else does.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 19:15:51
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The bigger story is how desperate the Democrats are to impeach Trump.

They've talked about this ***since Nov 2016
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 19:23:23
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I'm not the one that is trying to argue the "polls are wrong." I'm perfectly content to accept the RCP aggregate having Trump in the red, along with all the pollsters having Trump behind at least 4 Dem candidates. This impeachment inquiry is not even close to being a "desperation play" lol. There is nothing for the Dems to be desperate about right now.

Besides, its easy to look at RCP and see how much Rasmussen is propping Trump up. +8? Give us a break. You know thats not accurate at all.

You, like most people, are looking at the polls the wrong way. The actual numbers are somewhat irrelevant because polls all have different methodologies and questions. The strength of polls (especially aggregates) lies in the trends. You're so caught up in Rasmussen's numbers that you immediately dismiss them, but in so doing fail to recognize that Rasmussen is better suited as a trend bellwether than most other polls because it updates daily.

You're going to miss the forest because you spend too much time hugging your favorite trees. I should also note that Trump can absolutely still win the election with a negative approval/disapproval spread. Just because someone doesn't like him and/or refuses to vote for him doesn't mean they'll automatically vote for whoever the Dems throw at us. You may have a binary worldview, but not everyone else does.

Thats cute, I don't have a "binary worldview", and I don't dismiss Rasmussen's numbers, I dismiss their methods. They have been repeatedly called out and debunked for their polling methods by other pollsters. I don't even know why RCP counts them in their index (they don't count Zogby who again, has been repeatedly called out for their methods, even called the worst pollster). Trump and Nausi run to Rasmussen for their numbers (not their trends). They dismiss other polls because of their numbers. Every poll that has Trump in the red is fake to them.
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 19:26:15
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Pelosi played this perfectly, she doesn't want to vote on impeachment, but she wants the truth to come out about Ukraine, so she launches an impeachment inquiry and less than 3 hours later, the WH has caved and is planning to release all the information tomorrow. Now, its not too late for Trump to find a *** excuse to redact/not release something, but the pressure from Pelosi certainly worked.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-09-24 19:27:22
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Viciouss said: »
I don't have a "binary worldview"

Well, I mean, I'm okay with you saying that because I don't actually know you personally, but as far as I've seen you have taken the Left's default stance on every single issue that we have ever discussed in here. That's about as binary as you can possibly get.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 19:28:42
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RUN VIC.exe


Fatal error

Logic not found.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 19:29:57
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Nancy with all that money can't even get good botox and or face lift ?
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 19:39:15
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fonewear said: »
Nancy with all that money can't even get good botox and or face lift ?

Neither can Trump?
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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 19:40:48
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Oh also today, its kind of flown under the radar, because McConnell has completely turtled up, but the Senate did vote 100-0 for the whistleblower complaint to be released to Congress. Even the GOP has had enough of Trump's flipflopping.
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By fonewear 2019-09-24 19:40:57
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Let's see what Bernie Sanders is up to:

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By Viciouss 2019-09-24 19:47:46
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
I don't have a "binary worldview"

Well, I mean, I'm okay with you saying that because I don't actually know you personally, but as far as I've seen you have taken the Left's default stance on every single issue that we have ever discussed in here. That's about as binary as you can possibly get.

This was also cute, who can't this be applied to? Let's see, FONEWEAR...that's the list.
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By Nausi 2019-09-24 19:48:59
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it is circulating among twitter that there are no plans to hold a house vote for formal INPEACH investigation.

Its all a fake show by Pelosi.

Libs have no choice but to lose.
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By Nausi 2019-09-24 19:52:17
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Viciouss said: »
I'm not the one that is trying to argue the "polls are wrong." I'm perfectly content to accept the RCP aggregate having Trump in the red, along with all the pollsters having Trump behind at least 4 Dem candidates. This impeachment inquiry is not even close to being a "desperation play" lol. There is nothing for the Dems to be desperate about right now.

Besides, its easy to look at RCP and see how much Rasmussen is propping Trump up. +8? Give us a break. You know thats not accurate at all.

You, like most people, are looking at the polls the wrong way. The actual numbers are somewhat irrelevant because polls all have different methodologies and questions. The strength of polls (especially aggregates) lies in the trends. You're so caught up in Rasmussen's numbers that you immediately dismiss them, but in so doing fail to recognize that Rasmussen is better suited as a trend bellwether than most other polls because it updates daily.

You're going to miss the forest because you spend too much time hugging your favorite trees. I should also note that Trump can absolutely still win the election with a negative approval/disapproval spread. Just because someone doesn't like him and/or refuses to vote for him doesn't mean they'll automatically vote for whoever the Dems throw at us. You may have a binary worldview, but not everyone else does.
Its so hilarious. Vic is presented with a poll he doesn't like and what does he say?

"Oh that's fake"

Then in the very next breath state the belief that people who believe polls are fake are ridiculous.

Not even adolescent tier reasoning.
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