Without Nirvana...
without nirvana...
Can i still carry dmg? or will i be handicapped
You dont have to have nirvana to do damage. Nirvana will boost your damage for sure. I've beat nirvana summoners in parses without a nirvana myself.
what about those "need nirvana smn" shouts.
Nirvana is obviously better, but not required at all.
I don't know if you could kill schah/albumen with zero nirvanas, but maybe you could. Everything else you can for sure.
I don't know if you could kill schah/albumen with zero nirvanas, but maybe you could. Everything else you can for sure.
I've gotten aeonics done with a Was+1 being the top parsing SMN. And this was well over a year ago, so if su3, relic+3 or the neck+2 is any amount of upgrade, that'd make it easier if you know what you're doing. But then again, if you're going through all that trouble a Nirvana isn't out of the picture.
Just trying to gear 3 main jobs at the moment, smn, geo and blu, trying to make sure my smn wont be collecting dust until i get a nirvana
Asura.Creole said: »
what about those "need nirvana smn" shouts.
You have to remember that this is Asura. People way overshoot in shouts because there are a lot of terrible players, geared terrible players even.
Join an LS that does aeonics and as long as you're master SMNN with decent gear you'll get through just fine. Nirvana makes it easier but not necessary.
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To be completely fair Nirvana really gives you an edge (and quite a big one) on physical BPs (like Volt Strike) only when you can use AM3.
Without that other options are on par/better than Nirvana.
For Magic BPs other options are Always better than Nirvana.
For stuff like Flaming Crush, eh... I think that's where Nirvana really shines over non-Nirvana options.
tl;dr
it's really stupid to shout for Nirvana-only SMN, especially in content where you won't make good use of AM3.
Without that other options are on par/better than Nirvana.
For Magic BPs other options are Always better than Nirvana.
For stuff like Flaming Crush, eh... I think that's where Nirvana really shines over non-Nirvana options.
tl;dr
it's really stupid to shout for Nirvana-only SMN, especially in content where you won't make good use of AM3.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
I don't know if you could kill schah/albumen with zero nirvanas
gridarvor smn x6
run
geo
2 leeches
(+outside cor on all, inside brd on albumen/vini.. but cor could take a leech spot)
and was able to win reliably over quite a few kills before I bothered with Nirvanas. So yes, you can win without nirvanas(and even carry leeches). Don't see why kirin couldn't be done without it, and zerde can be as well, but I've always manaburned those.
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No clue on your gear situation on summoner. Youre trying to gear 3 main jobs so that leaves a lot of room for the imagination. Nirvana is one slot out of 16 possible slots for gear. Same as any other job and their rema options. If you're still trying to gear it then I'd be willing to say that your money could be put to better use getting said gear.
Gear i can get, just making sure it will be able to be put to use as i grind slowly towards a nirvana
You won't get invites to shouts. Till they get desperate. Run your own stuff and you're golden.
Capability means jackshit on assura.
Capability means jackshit on assura.
Gridarvor beats both Was +1 and Grioavolr for volt strike, which is the pact most groups will be trying to use.
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thank you for the information, time to get gearing
Finally. A thread i can reference when i get tired of hearing 'Nirvana onry'.
hell i have a nirvana, and still can't stand that logic.
hell i have a nirvana, and still can't stand that logic.
for non-nirvana volt strike usage, the tier list is:
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
Nirvana without aftermath is 14%, with aftermath it's ~40%. *** about not having nirvana all you want, but you are missing an absolutely massive boost to your damage and effectiveness.
Draumstafir is trash ATM, it having melee only DA basically makes it worth the 15 bpd and whatever the % chance is, a weakass modifier on stat to bp mods.
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
Nirvana without aftermath is 14%, with aftermath it's ~40%. *** about not having nirvana all you want, but you are missing an absolutely massive boost to your damage and effectiveness.
Draumstafir is trash ATM, it having melee only DA basically makes it worth the 15 bpd and whatever the % chance is, a weakass modifier on stat to bp mods.
work on maxing your other gear first. Nirvana is nice forsure but ALOT of smn on asura think a nirvana is all they need, or that they can skimp out on gearing up properly just because they have it. And those are the ones getting out parsed by Non nirvana smn. Gearing smn is pretty easy too.
the *** is was?
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Jetackuu said: »
the *** is was?
Crafted staff, made with omen mats.
A lot of them seem to think all you seen is 5/5 apogee+1 and you're set to do damage no matter what you're doing.
who tf uses apogee hands or body for dealing damage.
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Don't see why kirin couldn't be done without it
Jdove said: »
for kirin you dont need nirvana at all if your smn's all have good pet mab gear and you take a sch all you have to do is magic burst wind blade and it dies pretty fast
Asura.Frod said: »
for non-nirvana volt strike usage, the tier list is:
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Asura.Frod said: »
for non-nirvana volt strike usage, the tier list is:
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
Was < Gridarvor < Was +1.
or, roughly worth these increases in damage:
7% < 8% < 9%
In a conduit zerg situation you will be acc and atk capped or else there are serious flaws in buffs/debuffs. So that argument is irrelevant, not that was+1 isn't useless garbo anyway, but you will still need at least an nq was for flaming crush i believe. Don't know if grio will outparse that.
To be fair, the only situation i know of where you probably won't be acc/atk capped without serious gear tweaking is master trials.... and i wouldn't take a non nirvana smn there anyway.
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