Single Hit WS\x3 Different TP Return #

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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 04:05:37
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Ok so full break , weapon break, brainshaker,skullbreaker,all 1 hit ws with full time gears equipped for all of them(no swapping),war/sam DA trait & gears only, only,x2 whm trusts: Yoran-Oran & Cherukiki & not only do i get different dmgs numbers everywhere but also I am getting a tp return variation of 105\118 & 145 on Sallow seymour t1 bastok VNM worm doing some testing, no dia (no stoneskin on monster), made sure i didnt have dex down for dmgs variation or even acc down althought,. 1hit.... & i even checked my atmacites , i took away the save tp atmacite & i have no multi strikes from them, so basing myself off this page: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Weapon_Skills Claiming that: Physical Weapon Skills can be affected Sneak Attack and attack boosting Abilities such as Berserk. There are also some physical Weapon Skills which can "Deliver a x-hit attack," x being the number of times you strike the enemy within that single technique. These are called "multi-hit Weapon Skills," and you will accumulate TP as normal for the first hit (if it connects), and 1% additional TP for each subsequent hit that lands.

How come do i get 3 different tp return numbers? Is it because the 1%extra tp return only apply to ws that have 2hits or more base? Can someone explain this to me?Without any sort of triple attack how do i get a a third variable of tp return? Or should i ask, is it possible to whiff half a single hit? What is that about?
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By Davorin 2018-06-14 04:35:42
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Your post organization sucks.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 04:40:07
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??? Thats irrelevent to what i asked,how about, thx for the help?..
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-14 05:09:41
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If you're on warrior, every single ws you do (not elemental) has a chance to be multihit.

So a "full break" can give

0 TP (miss)
250 TP (single hit)
260 TP (DA)
10 TP (Main miss, but DA)

*random number 250 per hit, and zero STP
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By Brynach 2018-06-14 07:07:51
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you're on warrior, every single ws you do (not elemental) has a chance to be multihit.

So a "full break" can give

0 TP (miss)
250 TP (single hit)
260 TP (DA)
10 TP (Main miss, but DA)

*random number 250 per hit, and zero STP

This ^^, or any conserve tp gear you may have on during the ws can increase your tp return.
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By Asura.Patriclis 2018-06-14 08:21:43
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Okay well for 1 you give us 3 different TP returns but specify 4 weaponskills. Which TP return is for each weaponskill?

Also, Weapon Break & Full Break are Great axe weaponskills; meanwhile brainshaker and skullbreaker are club weaponskills... so yes of course those weaponskills will give you different TP returns. TP return is based on weapon delay and clubs have a lower delay than great axes... So the club weaponskills will give less TP.

Secondly, you are on Warrior. Warrior has double attack. Double attack can proc on weaponskills and increase TP return. So yes, that is going to cause TP variation.

Thirdly you are /SAM so that gives you Zanshin which -can- activate on missed weaponskills. So that's also gonna give you some weird TP results.

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??? Thats irrelevent to what i asked,how about, thx for the help?..

It's not really irrelevant. You're asking for help, you could at least take the time to format your post in a non-vomit-inducing manner.

Though I guess schmucks like me are going to give you an answer anyways. Maybe I should stop doing that.

My question is... How do you get to 11 mastered jobs (including 3 melee & a 119 tizona) without learning how Weaponskills work?
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By Asura.Saevel 2018-06-14 08:27:16
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Troll moved onto another topic it seems. Fumigate with more troll be gone.
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By Boshi 2018-06-14 11:08:26
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Your avatar is the exact way you type.
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By DirectX 2018-06-14 11:18:24
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you're on warrior, every single ws you do (not elemental) has a chance to be multihit.

So a "full break" can give

0 TP (miss)
250 TP (single hit)
260 TP (DA)
10 TP (Main miss, but DA)

*random number 250 per hit, and zero STP
Also potentially 270, 280, 20 and 30 if you have TA and QA.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-14 11:20:30
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It was for his example specifically.

You could in theory get anywhere from 0-3000 lol
Fotia procs, conserve tp, every single piece of stp in the game yada yada
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By DirectX 2018-06-14 11:38:47
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One is +13 and one is +27 though, so it is a double attack and triple attack where he is getting 13.5-13.9 per extra hit?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2018-06-14 11:48:12
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zanshin doesn’t proc on weapon skills. @patric
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By clearlyamule 2018-06-14 11:49:28
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He's /sam. store tp effects the extra hits too
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By Asura.Patriclis 2018-06-14 12:18:51
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
zanshin doesn’t proc on weapon skills. @patric

Oh...

Everyone used to say they did. Can even check the old ffxiclopedia article that says that it can proc on missed weaponskills.

I guess people have since proved that wrong. Good to know.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 14:21:42
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There we go, Austar doing a claim without explanations or proof display again, but anyway,,, Hmm Eiryl reply was good, but my tp return is not 250 260 for full break, I get 161 & 172 & 11 tp return.

Thank you Eiryl,your explanation was Accurate.

Patriclis my numbers 105/118/145 was for skullbreaker that i put in bold. & after that post i realized i had +12 stp on in gears & -10 acc on my ammo slot which had me miss a bunch of weaponskill lol.

I got the datas i wanted althought I find it complicated, the fluctuation in between my full breaks are ranging wayyy too much,I do not find it simple & easy to test like saevel said before.

Equipping all my da on war atm (no gift yet) i have 70%DA that 100 isnt easy to reach for me atm & i wont waste anymore vw stones on my testing for now.

In résumé basically heres my numbers for what i tested, Full break with

Single@161TpReturn: LowestDmgs1279___HighestDmg1875

DA@172TpReturn: LowestDmgs3096___HighestDmg3680

So basically there is a play of 500 dmgs of fluctuation on everything (single hit full break & DA full break" Going from this i cannot claim that my highest dmgs DA would equal 3times my lowest none DA but its pretty damn close. It just varies too much heck,I've seen DA do less dmgs than a none da & i also did see 1 whiff that was the 11TpReturn do as much as a regular.

P.s: Boshi, please refer to what i typed after Davorin.
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By Lakshmi.Darkdoom 2018-06-14 14:29:50
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What are you even trying to figure out, at this point?

Your tp return is right in line. Are you trying to figure out what your ws damage variance should be as a result of multi attacks/misses?
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 14:33:24
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Patriclis, my masters & my 119 tizona have nothing to do with this, I know how my ws works tyvm & that tizona isnt even afterglowed had it for years, thats besides the point also, thank you for TA&QA addition DirectX (Althought i just wanted to check DA)that was a serious reply & it help, much appreciated to you two.Finally Saevel,I could point out a lot of trolls on AH forums but I'll behave,I will stop responding to you tho Saevel,have a good day.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 14:34:48
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I was trying to see a double attack\(Second hit)doubled damages Darkdoom, wearing 4 outta 5pieces of Boii armor on war if not 5/5.As I said tho, its tough IMO because it would seem that both hits if I DA may not give the same dmgs at all, so i cannot even base myself of this if i wanted to double the second hit dmgs in my maths(from my understanding)if i wanted to see my DA full break dmgs for an equivalent that would be x3 my none DA full break dmgs.
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By Asura.Patriclis 2018-06-14 14:37:01
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Melee Damage in this game does have some element of randomness. So Weaponskills and Melee attacks have a wide variance. a 500 damage difference isn't uncommon. That's why you won't hit the mob for the same amount of damage on every swing, even if you're not gaining/losing buffs.

Also, are you WSing at -exactly- the same TP every time? Because unless you're capping to 3000 TP for each weaponskill... chances are your TP isnt the same.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 14:39:26
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Wow you just had to bring trump in this.Irrelevent.Well you did tell me & confirm that i cannot claim my second hit on DA would be an equal # So how would it even be possible to tell if i had double damages on my second hit of my ws on a DA Patriclis huh?

P.s:Yes it was the same gears upon all my weaponskills (I said that already... in the first post)
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By Lakshmi.Darkdoom 2018-06-14 14:47:52
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Rufuso said: »
I was trying to see a double attack\(Second hit)doubled damages Darkdoom, wearing 4 outta 5pieces of Boii armor on war if not 5/5.As I said tho, its tough IMO because it would seem that both hits if I DA may not give the same dmgs are all, so i can not even base myself of this if i wanted to double the second hit (from my understanding)if i wanted to see my DA full break dmgs do x3 my none DA full break dmgs.

DA procs on ws aren't the same damage as the first hit.

I was going to link you the thread from the other day discussing the Raider's set bonus, but I see you were there shitting that thread up and refusing to listen to anyone with actual data, so... good luck buddy.

Eiryl very succinctly explained this to you already.

"If a Rudras does 10k damage, multi-hits that get added to it are VERY weak. They're around 200 damage.

So if you did 10k and it TA'd you'd get 10,400 and if the set proc'd you'd get 5% increase of 400 damage... which is basically 20

So you'd land 10420, instead of 10400 which is completely unnoticeable"
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 14:50:26
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I actually looked at theses pages & on my testing if you look at my numbers, in theory i was 200 dmgs short from having my lowest none DA to my highest DA # as if it was tripled(0TA\QA gears).As it was just stated, its difficult to claim how much dmgs a hit did,that it was the first hit or second hit,whiff included or not (there is about 500dmgs of fluctuation) so theres that extra factor\variable.Do not even quote Eiryl because that was behind already,i understood what he said.But I dont even think its possible for my testing to be right at this point as dmgs seems to be like part/RNG.
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By Asura.Patriclis 2018-06-14 15:01:52
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Rufuso said: »
Wow you just had to bring trump in this.Irrelevent.Well you did tell me & confirm that i cannot claim my second hit on DA would equal same # So how would it even be possible to tell if i had double damages on my second hit of my ws on a DA Patriclis huh?

I tried ... I really did ... but I honestly cannot determine what you just wrote. It's such a mess of gibberish. Closer to regurgitated alphabet soup than an actual paragraph. I'm not even trying to be edgy or something, your grammar is so bad that I physically cannot figure out what you're trying to say.
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By clearlyamule 2018-06-14 15:03:03
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My eyes are bleeding from all these run on disorganized posts in engrish but from what I gather you might want to read ws pages and then the pages linked on it and sometimes farther down

Asura.Patriclis said: »

This is amazing though
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-06-14 15:03:54
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What the *** is the point of this thread? Anna, nuke this ***. Dude is trolling.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 15:09:14
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lol.I correct as many phrases & posts as i can as i notice my bad grammar & orthograph\punctuation.Its rather obvious by now tho that not many posters understand what I am saying here so again,i'm just done with topic.I've seen my datas,& i have even shared my numbers here & i did read other threads & posts clearlyamule.I understand that dmgs fluctuation almost stand as an uncontrollable variable unless you are very good at maths.
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By Rufuso 2018-06-14 15:09:53
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Asura.Patriclis said: »
Also, are you WSing at -exactly- the same TP every time? Because unless you're capping to 3000 TP for each weaponskill... chances are your TP isnt the same.
P.s:Yes it was the same gears upon all my weaponskills (I said that already... in the first post):
Rufuso said: »
full time gears equipped for all of them(no swapping)
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
What the *** is the point of this thread? Anna, nuke this ***. Dude is trolling.
Whoever call me a troll is a troll. Peace
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-06-14 15:17:39
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"No Dragoon for party..."
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By Sidiov 2018-06-14 16:01:03
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Since no one will be helpful and respond, I did many testing for implied secondary modifier done store TP or not.
As you see, can first hit be like first WS (200 - 276) but not passing first inside.

But what comes with secondary?? Well, first you say test each hit for pass. And yet I want each done by two. Or more?

Ah ha! Both hit done for each!
So 320 is like 478 and 216, but not inside!!
Solved! Welcome with explanations!
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-14 16:02:28
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Sidiov said: »

<Please use simple words>
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