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By Aerix 2021-11-25 03:25:53
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Ranoutofspace said: »
Wasn't one Mache Earring +1 enough with Godhands?

Ah, I guess I didn't properly specify that in the node. Fixed it.

Technically Godhands reaches the ideal Delay if you use an HQ as well as an NQ Mache Earring together, but 2x HQ overcaps only very slightly so the extra DEX/Acc/DA make it an acceptable trade-off. Xiucoatl only needs a single Mache Earring +1 as an additional earring (NQ or HQ) would overcap too much of the MA+ they add.

Ramuh.Austar said: »
Human error is more likely in a parse than in a program. If I mess something up I can just say oops and change what I need as far as settings go and take 30 seconds to get a new result.

True, and while I don't think this is the case there's always a chance there might be a bug or incorrect formula that you haven't caught yet. I'm not sure if you've publicly shared your simulator, but since I haven't examined the code myself (and likely won't have the time for it) to make sure everything is fully accurate I'd prefer to do my own testing using in-game numbers to verify any simulations.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2021-11-25 05:56:12
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SimonSes said: »
It's not 15-20%, its much more, but like I said, MNK upper and lower end of DPS is very wide, because of nature of Impetus and also how massive is damage difference when you get few lucky TA proc on Tornado

I'm 100% with Simon here, Impetus is massive and it's not even close between a well-geared MNK and a similarly well-geared PUP+Auto for DPS.

Not saying PUP can't put out some respectable damage, but come on this should be obvious. I wouldn't be surprised to see the a difference approaching the 40% he estimated. If people were thinking that maybe the automaton could make up for the lack of KA, Footwork, extra tier of PDL+ and Smite, counters, and some better offensive gear options (e.g., JSE necks, JSE cape base stats, Kendatsuba, etc.)? Well... they'd still be wrong but it would be a more reasonable inquiry. But Impetus is SUPER powerful.

Difficulty of getting buffs for player and pet at the same time is another factor not in PUP's favor, if you aren't going 100% master focus.

Asura.Bixbite said: »
Pup doesn’t have nothing for survivability either. It gets a zero to full hp healing job ability every 2 mins with role reversal

To be fair, Chakra is so strong that it's also a full HP heal on a 3min timer with none of the downside of Role Reversal (actually puts the puppet at some risk until you repair or regen back up, requires puppet out in the first place).

Ranoutofspace said: »
Wasn't one Mache Earring +1 enough with Godhands?

It's allllmost enough. Minimum delay on Dly:138 Godhands is 123.6. You get down to 125 with mastered PUP using one Mache+1 (MA+13).

Need MA+17 in gear for PUP to hit minimum delay with Godhands. I'm a little curious whether Empy +2/+3 legs will get there (119+1 are MA+11)


MNK's extra 5 MA (from 1 more MA+5 gift) brings them almost perfectly to minimum delay if also using 1x Mache+1 and Godhands - ends up at 123.4375, just under the 123.6 minimum delay. Or, if using Bhikku Cyclas +1 (Martial Arts+6), as a MNK should generally do with Impetus up, and no other MA gear is about same (at 125.625 delay) as a PUP with Mache+1.

Minimum delay = [480 + [weapon delay]] * 0.2 (so, 123.6 for GH)

A (pre-haste delay) = [480 base h2h delay] + [weapon delay] - [martial arts]

B (total haste, x/1024) = 704 for capped magic & gear haste (from 448 magical haste and 256 gear haste)

Final delay = A * ((1024 - B)/1024)
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By Aerix 2021-11-25 06:20:48
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
It's allllmost enough. Minimum delay on Dly:138 Godhands is 123.6. You get down to 125 with mastered PUP using one Mache+1.

MNK's extra 5 MA (from 1 more MA+5 gift) brings them almost perfectly to minimum delay if also using 1x Mache+1 and Godhands - ends up at 123.4375, just under the 123.6 minimum delay. Or, if using Bhikku Cyclas +1 (Martial Arts-6), as a MNK should generally do with Impetus up, and no other MA gear is about same as a PUP with Mache+1 (125.625 delay).

Minimum delay = [480 + [weapon delay]] * 0.2 (so, 123.6 for GH)

A (pre-haste delay) = [480 base h2h delay] + [weapon delay] - [martial arts]

B (total haste, x/1024) = 704 for capped magic & gear haste (from 448 magical haste and 256 gear haste)

Final delay = A * ((1024 - B)/1024)

No point in repeating myself with regard to the other stuff.

In any case, looks like I forgot about the -5 MA delay from the 550 gift that PUP gets when I rechecked the numbers earlier, so using any second Mache Earring (+1) would not be worth it. Guess I had it right in the guide the first time around. I'll adjust the posted set and node accordingly.
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By Aerix 2021-11-26 19:29:42
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PSA: Not sure if this has been reported yet, but the spawn point of the ZNM "Ob" is now surrounded by true sound Apex cogs. Can't safely solo pop it anymore to farm Guignol earring, if you still need one. Bring at least one friend to sac pop.
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By Carbuncle.Yiazmaat 2021-11-27 09:23:51
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This is kind of bad that ppl that farm znm can die from apex mobs...
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2021-11-27 22:40:12
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Question: Do pup parts have any level restrictions? Can you use the best parts at lvl 1?
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By Nariont 2021-11-27 22:42:23
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No restrictions
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-11-27 22:42:30
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No level restrictions on usage only limit is your elemental capacity
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2021-11-27 22:48:06
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Thank you
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By Ramuh.Austar 2021-11-28 01:58:56
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There is a level limit to purchase some of them from the selling NPC, though.
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By Carbuncle.Yiazmaat 2021-11-28 04:22:27
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Now i dont remember but does kkk need any martial arts accessories when you build tp for am3 ? I have been using mâche +1 on non am3 set but now i wonder if it doesnt cut my tp gain à bit
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By Ramuh.Austar 2021-11-28 04:28:48
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don't wear MA gear with KKK unless you have zero haste for some reason
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