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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-02-09 13:21:34
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I beat VD with ointment
wait, what?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:21:46
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Not realistically.
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Highlighting the menu lets you see the weather/time even in combat.

Checking the menu every 3 seconds to verify weather is -not- realistic.
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-09 13:24:40
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Realistically missing the occasionally change in weather isn't exactly night and day difference
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:27:25
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clearlyamule said: »
Realistically missing the occasionally change in weather isn't exactly night and day difference

Not the point, weather has become a standard. Losing it would be a noticeable difference.

Statement made; possible. Realistically; not possible. Practical; irrelevant.
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By Odin.Eohuo 2018-02-09 13:28:11
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Hey All - was doing earlier with smn method on D which seemed to work reliably, but took a bit longer than I'd like. Has anyone tested migwari burning this with tank for initial pull, 2x nin, whm brd and a geo or cor? I know it has the insta KO move but I have a feeling that could be avoided somehow with sc dmg.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 13:29:05
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Not realistically.
Asura.Geriond said: »

Highlighting the menu lets you see the weather/time even in combat.

Checking the menu every 3 seconds to verify weather is -not- realistic.
It totally is, especially since most jobs that stay engaged all the time don't need to check it as often as those that don't. Weather is often visible in the environment, as well.
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By Asura.Sanosuke 2018-02-09 13:31:05
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E mode

Pld/Sam/Brd - (Corneila/Yoran/Koru-Moru trusts)

Observations:
Kept Ixion alive. Tank hold both in the corner no problems.

When its charging it will have a weak dread spike on. This will stop when it uses Atramentous Oblation move.

Also noticed if you WS when its charging, the message "The boss begins to emit Noxious Miasma". No dread spikes and will use a move that one shots.

If you ws it again after this message it said "The boss miasma dissipates, but its rage is beginning to boil over". I decided to continue ws and it used Nether Castigation and one shot everything.

Going to try again with more players but the following:
Tank holds both mobs and don't ws when its charging.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:34:33
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Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Not realistically.
Asura.Geriond said: »

Highlighting the menu lets you see the weather/time even in combat.

Checking the menu every 3 seconds to verify weather is -not- realistic.
It totally is, especially since most jobs that stay engaged all the time don't need to check it as often as those that don't. Weather is often visible in the environment, as well.

Weather affects > off
Sound > off
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:35:43
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Asura.Sanosuke said: »
E mode

Pld/Sam/Brd - (Corneila/Yoran/Koru-Moru trusts)

Observations:
Kept Ixion alive. Tank hold both in the corner no problems.

When its charging it will have a weak dread spike on. This will stop when it uses Atramentous Oblation move.

Also noticed if you WS when its charging, the message "The boss begins to emit Noxious Miasma". No dread spikes and will use a move that one shots.

If you ws it again after this message it said "The boss miasma dissipates, but its rage is beginning to boil over". I decided to continue ws and it used Nether Castigation and one shot everything.

Going to try again with more players but the following:
Tank holds both mobs and don't ws when its charging.

So........ 3 MNK brd geo whm, never ws pure white damage.

Or Sch burst

Shout groups flat out cannot be trusted to "not ws during this time"
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 13:36:42
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Not realistically.
Asura.Geriond said: »

Highlighting the menu lets you see the weather/time even in combat.

Checking the menu every 3 seconds to verify weather is -not- realistic.
It totally is, especially since most jobs that stay engaged all the time don't need to check it as often as those that don't. Weather is often visible in the environment, as well.

Weather affects > off
Sound > off
Someone who wasn't using gearswap or the like wouldn't keep them off.
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2018-02-09 13:36:53
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Asura.Sanosuke said: »
E mode

Pld/Sam/Brd - (Corneila/Yoran/Koru-Moru trusts)

Observations:
Kept Ixion alive. Tank hold both in the corner no problems.

When its charging it will have a weak dread spike on. This will stop when it uses Atramentous Oblation move.

Also noticed if you WS when its charging, the message "The boss begins to emit Noxious Miasma". No dread spikes and will use a move that one shots.

If you ws it again after this message it said "The boss miasma dissipates, but its rage is beginning to boil over". I decided to continue ws and it used Nether Castigation and one shot everything.

Going to try again with more players but the following:
Tank holds both mobs and don't ws when its charging.

Maybe this months trick is no WS! MNK is white damage king right? MMGA!
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By Shiva.Arislan 2018-02-09 13:37:49
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It's like Pain Sync.... any kind of damage will increase the lethality of the AoE. We've observed a possible correlation between damage done during charge and the distance of the AOE too.
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-09 13:38:51
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
I beat VD with ointment
wait, what?
It puts the lotion on the dullahan or else it gets the miasma again?
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2018-02-09 13:38:52
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Woah woah woah... In most cases, weather is a spell cast on the player by a SCH. Sure, it has an icon, but, like Haste and Flurry, is anyone really advocating that if these had to be monitored manually it would be just as easy as if they were being monitored automatically?

And < or > 2000 TP sets... Would it be as simple to watch for these values in a zerg and hit the right macro as it is to just // "Tachi: Resolution"... Enter... Space Bar... Up... Enter...?
Most of the people arguing about this don't even do that, they have Auto-Weapon Skill stuff running... Auto-WHM, Auto-RNG, etc.

Sure, a person could watch for and adjust as needed, but it would neither be as accurate or as fast as functions of Windower. The difference is night and day. Luckily, we have code for that.
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-09 13:40:38
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Realistically missing the occasionally change in weather isn't exactly night and day difference

Not the point, weather has become a standard. Losing it would be a noticeable difference.

Statement made; possible. Realistically; not possible. Practical; irrelevant.
Is it really Though? Missing using your obi a couple of times a month is kind of a blip
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:40:53
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Shiva.Arislan said: »
It's like Pain Sync.... any kind of damage will increase the lethality of the AoE. We've observed a possible correlation between damage done during charge and the distance of the AOE too.

Closer more damage or further more damage.

Cause I'm still hearing smnburn. And nothing else being viable. (sch and/or ranger, but dramatically slower)

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Is it really Though? Missing using your obi a couple of times a month is kind of a blip

10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 13:46:24
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:47:06
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Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%, actually up to 50%

Nuke on watersday with rainstorm and a fire nuke, you're losing a -ton- of damage.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2018-02-09 13:47:26
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2018-02-09 13:49:01
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At least this thread has had fewer derails than Amtrak this year.
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-09 13:49:09
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Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal
This. But my real point was the frequency. It's like not weather is changing every 3 seconds or even active half the time. And then there ar3 all the times you got a storm overriding. Oh no did 10% less dmg on 1 spell in 1 fight this entire week.

Anyways we got a dmg type for these moves? And I think someone mentioned scherzo but what about that with EA?
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 13:49:41
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%
Missing a 30% change very rarely is a heck of a lot lower than 30%.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:51:54
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Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%
Missing a 30% change very rarely is a heck of a lot lower than 30%.

It's not rarely.

A guy hitting every time, vs you hitting it /occasionally/

Try to nuke without it in resienjima where the weather changes every 15 seconds.
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By clearlyamule 2018-02-09 13:52:54
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%, actually up to 50%

Nuke on watersday with rainstorm and a fire nuke, you're losing a -ton- of damage.
Um you're gunna have to show the math on this
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-02-09 13:54:58
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clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Geriond said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%, actually up to 50%

Nuke on watersday with rainstorm and a fire nuke, you're losing a -ton- of damage.
Um you're gunna have to show the math on this

Double weather day + 30%
Neutral 0%
Wrong day double weather -30%

No math required.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 13:55:13
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
10 years ago when maximum nuke was like 8k it was a blip.

Now its the difference between first and last in a parse.
It's still the same percentage, and when the difference between first and last in a parse is 1%, it's not a big deal

up to 30%, not 1%
Missing a 30% change very rarely is a heck of a lot lower than 30%.

It's not rarely.

A guy hitting every time, vs you hitting it /occasionally/

Try to nuke without it in resienjima where the weather changes every 15 seconds.
As someone who doesn't use gearswap it IS rarely. Sorry.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2018-02-09 13:56:51
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This. But my real point was the frequency. It's like not weather is changing every 3 seconds or even active half the time. And then there ar3 all the times you got a storm overriding. Oh no did 10% less dmg on 1 spell in 1 fight this entire week.

It could happen every time something changes. Full dispell. Duration ends. A MA occurs so some amount of TP overflow changes the WS value.

Windower has allowed us all to play faster and/or more lazily. In a zerg, we aren't watching our TP feverishly. If we had to do that, we wouldn't be able to watch our collection of buffs to ensure none have dropped.
The point is we could not replicate the speed or accuracy of our robot overlord. Everything it does we could do, but we've handed over the controls for a reason. Let's not kid ourselves about those reasons.
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By SimonSes 2018-02-09 13:58:08
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Ok guys everyone who want to continue QQ about SMN I created a topic for you ( https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/51947/stop-offtopic-elsewhere-and-qq-about-smn-here-ty/1/#3324731 ). Go there please and keep it going if you want. Lets clean this topic to Ambuscade related things only.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-02-09 14:01:26
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Fenrir.Cherrywine said: »
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This. But my real point was the frequency. It's like not weather is changing every 3 seconds or even active half the time. And then there ar3 all the times you got a storm overriding. Oh no did 10% less dmg on 1 spell in 1 fight this entire week.

It could happen every time something changes. Full dispell. Duration ends. A MA occurs so some amount of TP overflow changes the WS value.

Windower has allowed us all to play faster and/or more lazily. In a zerg, we aren't watching our TP feverishly. If we had to do that, we wouldn't be able to watch our collection of buffs to ensure none have dropped.
The point is we could not replicate the speed or accuracy of our robot overlord. Everything it does we could do, but we've handed over the controls for a reason. Let's not kid ourselves about those reasons.
No, but with sufficient attention, skill, and preparation, you can get VERY close (with a few exceptions, like having quick magic in pre-cast but not mid-cast).
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