Dev Tracker - Discussion

8 REMA BRD or GTFO

16 is the same number as relic weapons or aeonic weapons, going to call reskins of relics but with aeonic job list.

A little disappointed they didn't do 22 like mythic/ergon much lower chance I think of them actually doing unique interesting bonuses when they make them share jobs.

Honestly, I wouldn't even be mad if Prime weapons are basically just fixed/competitive versions of exactly the same Relic weapons with useful WSs. Ghorn and Aegis would be outliers, but perhaps they'd get ilevel stats.

At least that way all jobs would have access and they wouldn't be as easy to obtain as Relics, which would've made EMA less relevant. Would also explain why they refuse to fix Relic WSs after all these years.

I'd venture a pretty confident guess that since they are "black relics" we're just gonna be getting buffed up relic wses as the linked wses on these weapons. They might revamp the relic wses, making them actually multihit and giving them more meaningful tp-based bonuses, but I wouldnt expect a new ws. Maybe another new song on the horn.

Edit: And there's a decent chance brd will also be on the new dagger, meaning 9 prema brd or gtfo.

Would be funny if you had to trade in a 75 version of a relic for the final bit. Bonus points for it to be 119. In true SE fashion it would need to be R15 though to keep the grind real.

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God I hope it's requiem viii

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In all seriousness something along the lines of "Honor Carol" being a combination of Minne, Mambo and elemental resistances would be pretty nifty.

Or a Paeon that's actually worth a damn.

Samurai Roll, obviously.

I've kinda been thinking Honor Ballad, giving Refresh+MAB+Macc. But your idea is cool too!

All Carol would basically brick the game.

Should be requiemXI because we know what's coming next lol.

Make requiem works like Helix!

I've had a few times where Requiem soul voiced has saved a wipe lol. It's a weapon amd its really powerful

Have them make the exact same relics (different skins) as they are now. Exactly the same except adding in the jobs that are currently left out (e.g. geo on mjollnir).

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R15 AND you have to turn in your Naegling. And you can never make a new one or you have to make a new one every time. Whichever is worse.

I just hope the staff is for nuking this time.

Don't worry, it won't be

It will have MAB MDmg macc though, but still primary use as melee

Enjoy your complimentary SMN pet stats.

Watch them just make laev lite and forget again that INT plays a nice factor in nuke dmg

Tbh that wouldnt be bad. Cataclysm seems like a prime use for BLM those days ;)

The irony is, I do. Your options are limited if you're including the Auto. It's basically making the rest of your party cater to you coming PUP, or be solo. The only real niche use is tanking. In every other scenario you're better off with literally any other job that fills that role.

Unless you're suggesting basically running with a pet only group that's super passionate about killing stuff half afk, then count me out

If they’re releasing weapons with just base stats it’d be cool to enable the weapons to have augments specific to jobs. Maybe an npc that enables you to swap to other augments.

IIRC this came up during the AMA and they said they had no intentions of doing anything to buff or improve relic WS. The prime weapons also won’t require turning in a base relic.

It sounded like something entirely different and new. They probably just reused the models as opposed to making new ones, but other than that I don’t think they have any ties to the base relics

I still think that those weapons will get stats % like STR%, same as the bonanza weapons. At higher tier and probably under R augments conditions tho. More worried about the AM effect and the fact that weapons like sword dagger h2h will be multi jobs probably mean that the stats would be similar to Aeonics w/o a specific job values or JA/Traits enhancement etc. I also hope thay Prime weapons will bring enough through AM and stats to make Naegling kinda obsolete or at least no the 1st option to most content for jobs that basically just need that to perform.

Edit : h2h for pup side will probably get acc racc macc for the 50x time and thats it lol

Probably exaggerating but, no job needs naegling, or savage blade from a weapon to perform, its just the optimal combo atm due to savage's great scaling/mods, along with naeglings own ws bonus+atk boost

For those saying that because there are only 16 weapons, we won't get much Job-specific customization since there will be multiple jobs on each weapon, and that the weapons will model the Aeonic style of stats (Copy paste stats, Unique WS); keep in mind that they could always choose to add job custmization through augments, similar to the original Relic Weapons, but with a couple additional options. It doesn't even have to be right away, they can add an option later to tailor your weapon to a specific job. I don't think they will actually put that much detail into these weapons (I agree the Aeonic model seems likely) but their creativity lately has surprised me with how they designed Dynamis weapons, Ambuscade weapons, and even the Bonanza stuff. I wouldn't put it past SE to actually put forth some design effort into these arms as a way to really push certain jobs towards the whole role/niche thing they have been doing recently.

As an example, I think about weapons like Great Sword/Dark Ragnarok and I kind of shudder to think they give Rune Fencer ANOTHER DD weapon because it would be paired with WAR/DRK, maybe PLD on it. RUN already has an amazing tanking weapon in Epeolatry, and Lionheart is a fantastic DD sword, so I like that they made the Dynamis weapon a Regen/Pulse Niche one. I see examples like this one and think that SE actually does put some thought behind the weapons they make, so there's hope they won't be lazy with the approach with Prime weapons.