Reisenjima HELM: Vinipata Strategy? (Non-Smn)

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Reisenjima HELM: Vinipata Strategy? (Non-Smn)
 Quetzalcoatl.Senaki
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senaki 2017-09-12 18:17:03
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Hello everyone,

So me and a some folks have been trying to down this guy the past few days. His mechanics are really weird.

For info: We are using a Brd to sleep the adds, or trying to.

We have been focusing on Melee-strategies, so we have been trying to force Raksha Stance (-50% Mdt) not Yaksha Stance (-50% pdt). The BG, correctly, indicates that Raksha stance is forced when the melee/tanks have buffs. But we keep finding him swapping back over to Yaksha stance and then obliterating all the melee. The BG says "Yaksha stance...Will only be used if the monster has an eraseable debuff on it." The BG seems to say this is only for enfeebling Magic. However, based on my experience, it looks like this also applies to: Dnc steps, Angon, Tommahawk, Brd spells, Geo spells(?), etc. Is this true, is it ANY debuffs, including melee jas? Or is one of my party members doing something I didn't see...

Also, does anyone have any experience with this guy and melee fights that could tell me which job layouts they're using?

Thank you,
Senaki.

Sources: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Vinipata
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2017-09-12 18:49:19
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obligatory SMN all the Things
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By Bahamut.Soraishin 2017-09-12 18:50:27
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x6 Relic WHM only, easy prey
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2017-09-12 18:53:17
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Quetzalcoatl.Senaki said: »
Hello everyone,

So me and a some folks have been trying to down this guy the past few days. His mechanics are really weird.

For info: We are using a Brd to sleep the adds, or trying to.

We have been focusing on Melee-strategies, so we have been trying to force Raksha Stance (-50% Mdt) not Yaksha Stance (-50% pdt). The BG, correctly, indicates that Raksha stance is forced when the melee/tanks have buffs. But we keep finding him swapping back over to Yaksha stance and then obliterating all the melee. The BG says "Yaksha stance...Will only be used if the monster has an eraseable debuff on it." The BG seems to say this is only for enfeebling Magic. However, based on my experience, it looks like this also applies to: Dnc steps, Angon, Tommahawk, Brd spells, Geo spells(?), etc. Is this true, is it ANY debuffs, including melee jas? Or is one of my party members doing something I didn't see...

Also, does anyone have any experience with this guy and melee fights that could tell me which job layouts they're using?

Thank you,
Senaki.

Sources: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Vinipata
As far as Melee strat, What Jobs are available to you? 1 or 2 Tanks? Rng + Geo + Cor + bard would be safer. War blu etc would be good if you can Skillchain light. BLM still works although slow.
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By Shiva.Berzerk 2017-09-12 19:20:56
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Quetzalcoatl.Senaki said: »
But we keep finding him swapping back over to Yaksha stance and then obliterating all the melee. The BG says "Yaksha stance...Will only be used if the monster has an eraseable debuff on it." The BG seems to say this is only for enfeebling Magic. However, based on my experience, it looks like this also applies to: Dnc steps, Angon, Tommahawk, Brd spells, Geo spells(?), etc. Is this true, is it ANY debuffs, including melee jas? Or is one of my party members doing something I didn't see...

My understanding of Yaksha triggering is any eraseable debuff you put on it. So GEO spells shouldn't trigger it, but steps/angon/brd spells definitely trigger it.
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2017-09-12 21:30:42
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Also, was known from 1st week or 2 people had access, Rayke/Gambit will be erased by it. Can always waste a few pops and test a method or two and see where you stand.
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By Shiva.Arislan 2019-04-23 13:03:12
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PSA:

Maxentius (plus Thibron) at 1k TP does like 50k+ Black Halos on this thing at capped attack. Could form a pretty good non-SMN zerg strat around that.
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By Bahamut.Shozokui 2019-04-23 14:15:02
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Shiva.Arislan said: »
PSA:

Maxentius (plus Thibron) at 1k TP does like 50k+ Black Halos on this thing at capped attack. Could form a pretty good non-SMN zerg strat around that.

I think anyone that can hit a 50k black halo can also melee burn this. This fight specifically is more about WHM performance and status effect negation than hitting really hard. Even with slow DD, you can easily complete this fight because there's only two sets of adds that can be slept pretty much indefinitely. The more specific requirement is a hybrid set so you don't get bopped by AoEs.
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