High End Sets Advice/Suggestions/Ideas/LUA

If you're only rocking 5/5 Sakpata and Nyame, you're DRKing wrong.

Taint, what does a "Full STP" build look like? I checked my lua and I have this set that I never use (I don't have Hoxne Ampulla yet)

ammo="Aurgelmir orb +1",
head="Flam. Zucchetto +2",
body="Dagon Breast.",
hands={ name="Sakpata's Gauntlets", augments={'Path: A',}},
legs={ name="Sakpata's Cuisses", augments={'Path: A',}},
feet={ name="Sakpata's Leggings", augments={'Path: A',}},
neck={ name="Vim Torque +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
waist={ name="Sailfi Belt +1", augments={'Path: A',}},
left_ear="Crep. Earring",
right_ear="Telos Earring",
left_ring="Moonlight Ring",
right_ring="Moonlight Ring",
back="Null Shawl"

I'm sure I could make this tankier and I haven't updated it in a long time (I put the Sakpata and Moonlights in there so I wouldn't get flattened), so I'm curious what build you're referring to as "Full STP", and where do you use it? Odin Body/Head, Carmine Feet, ok. What else?

What else is there? Odin body/head? Flamma head/feet? Aug'd ody legs/valor feet?

Post the sets you're comparing. Don't just say "you're giving up a lot of STP". Show me.

The only pieces I can think of with STP are stuff like Carmine Feet +1. You cannot seriously be talking about Odyssean or Flamma gear here in comparison to "losing ALL STP" by equipping Sworn. Dagon Breastplate serves another purpose, has no STP. Maybe I'm totally lost on this magical DRK STP set, I don't recall what it is.

You can debate whether a year grind is worth it or not, thats subjective (and the original question is silly anyways, decide for yourself "worth"). But questioning the Sworn set for DRK is insane.

I should be *** off to the gym, but I'm invested

Looking at the absolute peak StoreTP pieces available to drk (from FFXIAH, so augmented items wont show up, this really needs to be a feature though)

head:
Hjarrandi Helm 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:125 HP+114 STR+32 DEX+21 VIT+44 AGI+16 INT+26 MND+29 CHR+38 Accuracy+41 Attack+45 Magic Accuracy+43 Evasion+38 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+8 "Double Attack"+6% "Store TP"+7 Damage taken -10%
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG

Sulevia's Mask +2 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:123 HP+40 MP+40 STR+33 DEX+19 VIT+40 AGI+12 INT+11 MND+22 CHR+22 Accuracy+44 Attack+48 Evasion+27 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus"+1 Haste+3% "Store TP"+10 Damage taken -6% Set: Enhances "Subtle Blow" effect
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG

Flam. Zucchetto +2 99 119 [Head] All Races
DEF:123 HP+80 MP+20 STR+36 DEX+32 VIT+24 AGI+16 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 Accuracy+44 Magic Accuracy+44 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+53 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+4% "Triple Attack"+5% "Store TP"+6 Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG


Body:
Crepuscular Mail 99 119 [Body] All Races
DEF:189 HP+159 STR+50 DEX+33 VIT+50 AGI+33 INT+32 MND+36 CHR+34 Accuracy+55 Attack+20 Magic Accuracy+55 Evasion+94 Magic Evasion+102 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Haste+2% "Store TP"+10 "Refresh"+2 Set: Auto-Reraise
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK BST SAM DRG

Hjarrandi Breast. 99 119 [Body] All Races
DEF:155 HP+228 STR+38 DEX+24 VIT+51 AGI+19 INT+24 MND+29 CHR+35 Accuracy+47 Attack+53 Magic Accuracy+29 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus"+10 "Store TP"+10 Critical hit rate +13% Damage taken -12%
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK DRG


Hands:
Flam. Manopolas +2 99 119 [Hands] All Races
DEF:111 HP+60 MP+15 STR+23 DEX+46 VIT+35 AGI+8 INT+7 MND+24 CHR+17 Accuracy+43 Magic Accuracy+43 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+48 "Magic Def. Bonus"+2 Haste+4% "Store TP"+6 Critical hit rate +8% Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

(I know I said no auged pieces, but Buukki referenced it already)
Sakpata's Gauntlets
DEF:146 HP+91 MP+53 STR+24 DEX+35 VIT+46 INT+14 MND+33 CHR+26
Accuracy+40 Attack+40 Magic Accuracy+40 Evasion+52 Magic Evasion+112 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+4%
"Double Attack"+6% "Subtle Blow"+8 Damage taken -8% Physical damage limit +6%
20x: Rank 30 [1] Attack+30 [2] "Store TP"+8 [3] Accuracy+15 Mag. Acc+15 [4] VIT+5


Legs:
Flamma Dirs +2 99 119 [Legs] All Races
DEF:135 HP+100 MP+25 STR+53 DEX+11 VIT+29 AGI+16 INT+24 MND+14 CHR+11 Accuracy+45 Magic Accuracy+45 Evasion+41 Magic Evasion+86 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+4% "Store TP"+8 Potency of "Cure" effect received +9% Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

Volte Tights 99 119 [Legs] All Races
DEF:127 HP+118 STR+46 VIT+8 AGI+47 INT+21 MND+7 CHR+11 Accuracy+38 Ranged Accuracy+38 Evasion+74 Magic Evasion+107 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+9% "Snapshot"+5 "Store TP"+8 "Subtle Blow"+8
LV 99 WAR MNK RDM THF PLD DRK BST BRD RNG SAM NIN DRG BLU COR PUP DNC RUN


Feet:
Carmine Greaves +1 99 119 [Feet] All Races
DEF:79 HP+15 STR+14 DEX+16 VIT+15 AGI+33 MND+11 CHR+28 Evasion+52 Magic Evasion+80 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+4% "Double Attack"+4% "Fast Cast"+8% "Store TP"+8 "Conserve MP"+8 Set: Increases Accuracy
LV 99 RDM PLD DRK RNG DRG BLU COR RUN

Flam. Gambieras +2 99 119 [Feet] All Races
DEF:93 HP+40 MP+10 STR+31 DEX+34 VIT+20 AGI+26 MND+6 CHR+20 Accuracy+42 Magic Accuracy+42 Evasion+74 Magic Evasion+86 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+2% "Double Attack"+6% "Store TP"+6 Set: Increases Strength, Dexterity, and Vitality
LV 99 WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG

Even with Ampulla, assuming Samurai roll, you can use some Sworn and you almost won't notice TP gain loss against store TP gear other than Nyame A. Nyame A is naturally better, but if you play many jobs, it's hard to change many Nyame B to Nyame A. I only switched head.

This set is the fastest TP gain set not using Nyame A other than head.

new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Hoxne Ampulla",
head="Nyame Helm",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Dedition Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Crepuscular Mail",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Niqmaddu Ring",
ring2="Chirich Ring +1",
back="Ankou's Mantle",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Volte Tights",
feet="Volte Spats",
}
is 4.291s to 2000TP threshold with Foenaria

Now this set:
new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Hoxne Ampulla",
head="Nyame Helm",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Dedition Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Sworn Platemail",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Chirich Ring +1",
ring2="Chirich Ring +1",
back="Ankou's Mantle",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Sworn Brais",
feet="Sworn Sabatons",
}
is 4.301s, so 0.2% slower, which is like nothing

At the same time you get 23%DT, 164meva, 82 accuracy and lots of VIT, DEF and some HP.

Ofc if you have Nyame A body, legs or feet, that would be better, but most people won't. Even then replacing all Sworn with Nyame A is only 6% faster, so it's nothing game breaking.

Now without Ampulla, everything changes pretty fast.

Something like this:
new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Coiste Bodhar",
head="Nyame Helm A",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Schere Earring",
ear2="Dedition Earring",
body="Sakpata's Plate",
hands="Sakpata's Gauntlets",
ring1="Niqmaddu Ring",
ring2="Petrov Ring",
back="Null Shawl",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Ig. Flanchard +4",
feet="Nyame Sollerets B",
}
is 5.973s to 2000TP

while this
new_set = {
main="Foenaria",
sub="Utu Grip",
ranged="Empty",
ammo="Coiste Bodhar",
head="Nyame Helm",
neck="Vim Torque +1",
ear1="Dedition Earring",
ear2="Schere Earring",
body="Sworn Platemail",
hands="Sworn Gauntlets",
ring1="Niqmaddu Ring",
ring2="Chirich Ring +1",
back="Null Shawl",
waist="Windbuffet Belt +1",
legs="Sworn Brais",
feet="Sworn Sabatons",
}
is 5.438s, so 10% faster, while still getting defensive gains even over Sakpata (beside meva on hands).

If you have Nyame A head and Sakpata R30 hands, I would say only get Sworn body, legs and feet.


Beside everything I wrote above Sworn has also great value as idle and tanking set (while being top tier TP set too. Pretty much ultimate hybrid tp set in the whole game). Most of the store TP is from samurai roll and accessories.
It has an amazing value as magic accuracy set with fast cast on it, so you can improve macc and lower recast AT THE SAME TIME (stun or 4/5 for absorbTP). It completes Phalanx gear (alongside Sakpata legs), while also being super tanky, so you can get phalanx cast on you at any time (equipping dark matter gear is huge defensive loss). It's an awesome set (with heathen body) to cast Dream spikes while tanking too, because it has high HP and all the tankiness in the world. Ratri is ofc still better outside of the fight.
It's an amazing set, but I can understand someone don't want to grind it or choose to make Mercy or Justice first for other jobs.

Now I want this spell dammit

ItemSet 361770

TP gain is pretty incredible with this set. Works great on PLD as well especially in Sortie.

Dodik about to see that set and bury himself six feet, just so he can roll in his grave...

So that's 57~(assuming max oseem) STP vs 34 TA(though I think sakpata hands can be worked in there so 27 TA + 8 STP)

At least last I understood MA vs STP thad be about equal at worse, there's not really any other change since ampulla means 100% DA anyway, its just a more consistent DA TP return or bigger spike TA along with the lower return DAs, not gonna get into the whole glass aspect of that set as even that i feel is pushing it a bit lol

That's fantastic lol.

Its not that glassy, -41DT plus cape. (I prefer -5DT) Its just low meva which if that matters you can just toggle in Full Sakpata.

I'm think Sworn is a great set but its not good enough for the grind. That could change as they add more to Limbus.

No, you have to, because Drayco specifically said:


So he only could have meant using Glass Cannon STP pieces mixed with DT accessories/Sakpata hands, and not Nyame Path A. He couldn't have been talking about defensive benefits, purly DPS.

Even if I grant you the head, body, legs, and feet slots, that ~39 STP you'd lose going over to 4 Sworn pieces in same slots, vs 27% TA. With WAY worse Magic and physical defensive properties. Bro, what? I'm not even the numbers guy like Simon, but I still don't see how Sworn set on DRK isn't a recommended set for TP, better than pretty much all other options. It might be slightly behind or ahead of STP (I'm sure he'll check), but it's absolutely ahead on Defense in every possible way.

If we want to make personal opinions about what is "Worth it" or not (I mean, we can play that game all day with Hoxne Ampulla in Sortie, same difference, is it "worth it" to you to spend gil swinging? Your choice), that's one thing. Saying you don't see anything in the Sworn set that would make it worthy of recommending for DRK is just bonkers (Drayco's words, not Taint).

Now, Taint is a good vet player, so I'm sure he knows how to toggle his sets just fine. I have a similar kclub DRG/dnc build that uses similar pieces. It puts out absurd TP gain. And one debuff forces me to use Panacea or I can get flattened by the wrong move. So its high risk-high reward. I wouldn't in a million years recommend anyone running a set like that, especially in Sortie.

I do think its interesting how everyone's view of "worth it" is different.

Nyame Path A over Path B >> Worth it/Not Worth it/It Depends
Stage 5 GSWD - 5+ Month Grind >> Worth it
Limbus Sets - 8+ Month Grind >> Not Worth it
Alabaster Earring Max - 3+ Month grind for 5 STP >> Worth it
Kclub - 1 Billion Gil RNG DPS >> Worth/Not Worth it
Hoxne Ampulla - Pay per swing so you can rock glass cannon STP >> worth it*/not worth it*

Noone uses toggles anymore what're you saying? Also about 14 less mdb since sulev/valor have ***for mdb. But 4/5 sworn would also open up niqmaddu in place of 1 moonlight, which i think we can agree is a better return overall, or be a madman and use lehko's but i know that's heresy of the highest order

Nah, I fully expect a Drk to bury themselves into the ground with their look at my dmg bro TP sets + soul eater on top.

They are dark knights.



Complete trash set, sorrynotsorry bro.

This conversation comes up from time to time with the usual suspects and it cracks me up every time.

The *** are you guys doing where you need to go in with bubble wrap anytime you step out your Mog House? Put a disclaimer if needed. New groups / groups with weak links probably need to run on the safer side. Experienced groups / players know when they can drop the turtle sets based on the content they're doing. The Sworn set is great for the same reason Sakpata is, but better. Those of you who love to compare numbers, look at what the difference is between a currently accepted turtle set with Sakpata vs Sworn set.

You guys act like every content in this game is Omega/Ultima with constant fetters active lmao.

Funny, most of it is:
Dynamis - Fetters
Aita/Gartell/Aminon - Fetters
Odyssey Gaol T3/Bumba - Fetters

If what you are referring to is content like Ambuscade, MLs, or Seg Farming on C1-3, then it doesn't really matter what you wear because the mobs are so weak they die just the same, whether you're highly defensive or not. In which case, you're unlikely to gain a significant advantage loading up on solely dps gear because the mobs are fodder, anyways. But that's just me being humorous, and besides the point.

I'm not even specifically making the defensive argument. I am just wondering how Sworn set can be deemed "not worth" when it has better stats than Sakpata's set pretty much across the board. I'd even argue Sworn set is a much better set for DRK when Last Resort is down. Unless the argument is it's not worth the time, then if that's the case, what is?

I cant even sim that. I deleted such trash gear from the sim XD

Oh, yes, I do have access to Sakpata but I choose not to wear it.

I would say only a drk but..

Ok I added it. It was painful to type in Valorous stats though XD

This set with Samurai roll II (without job bonus) is avg 4.370s to 2000TP

Swapping feet, legs, body and head to Sworn it's 4.292s. replacing rings to Chirich, takes it down to 4.264s

Not only Sworn is slightly higher dps/tp, but it's also miles ahead defensively and accuracy is also much higher (can probably eat attack food instead).
+143 acc
+318 magic evasion (from 447 to 765 XD)
+8 mdb
+12 subtle blow

If you break it down in hours not months its a large difference.

Prime5 is 110 hours per plus Psyche. (9boss group)
Alabaster ear is 40-60 hours for 30 matters. (speed and luck)
Sworn is close to double that PER piece. (Apollyon is faster than Temenos) 500 hours?
Gil items depend on Luck and whatever else you do. The first week of Limbus drops was an easy 100mil.

Not only this requires a very dedicated group, but also arrange your RL around it (assuming you have static time to do Sortie). Limbus can be done solo whenever you have the time.
This alone makes it a huge difference.

Yeah but aren't you still locked out of Psyches for 6 months if you start fresh today? The hours are irrelevant if you can never upgrade until you're eligible for 30 Psyches.

I'll even grant all of these things to you. But are you saying the Sworn set isn't worth it because it takes too long to build one? Because I have the same opinion of Stage 5 Primes (I made 4 Stage 4s instead, I felt it was a better investment for my time). It's entirely subjective. I can stroke 99k WSs with just a Gae Buide 4, so what is the point of a 5? (My view)

Also, Limbus is super boring, but also incredibly easy content. You can do it in between work calls and it doesn't take much focus because you can adjust down the difficulty. Sortie requires attention, and will take you at least an hour every day of your life, assuming you don't miss a day, need a sub member, get sick, or make Aminon blow up (or any other number of things, dc, get stuck in basement, etc).

It's just kind of odd to suggest that these sets aren't worth it because of the time investment* (even though they're incredibly good), and in the same argument, include a weapon that takes no less than 6 months to complete.

*

Hours vs months is all I’m saying.

110 sortie runs with 6 months to do it.

500 Limbus run. You Can’t really solo rank20+ due to unit cost.

100% a personal preference.

Why are you using "inability to solo" as a criteria to dismiss the armor? Whos making a stage 4 prime solo?

Also, a soloer could still cap out their weekly units while getting EP on some random job, they're not constrained by 1 hr per entry.

You would need to be extremely lucky to have a static, that will make 9 boss runs and just run 110 times per 6 months.

Most of the groups runs more and at static schedule. you cant really decide you want to stop doing sortie for 2 months and just go back to grinding it, because you group will replace you or break (again someone maybe have an luxury to play in group of friends that will play around you, but saying it's normal would be a lie).
People in 9boss groups really have no idea how hard is to join one and how much dedication it would require (including arranging your time in RL to be able to attend events). It's easier if you don't have a family too, but many of us have wives and kids.

Like Buukki said, Limbus can be done while watching netlfix etc. basically whenever you want. You can also stop farming it for whatever time you need and just go back how many times you want.

I didn’t. He said Limbus is easily soloed. Yes for chest but not for units. Soloing units adds considerable time to the grind.

I also agree stage4 primes are WAY more valuable than stage 5.

How many units you get for clearing temenos and apollyon 5 times at each at 119 beside guaranteed 34k from chests?
I would think you get at least like 3k units per one full clear right? So 30k more for 10 runs. So around 64k?
That's 640k in 10 weeks. So you should be getting required units at around the same pace as you are getting matters to finish a piece.

I have this view that, like Odyssey V30 gear, it was intended to last 2-4 years. They ruined those plans when they introduced Moogle Amplifiers and the RP bonus for 3. Limbus is all we have for the foreseeable future, and I assume with new Su5 sets, they decided instead of allowing you to cheese RP like they did with Odyssey sets (and everyone finish in a month), they imposed weekly caps to prolong the content for 2+ years, the way Odyssey was supposed to be longer. I can only imagine how long it would have taken to cap R30 Sakpatas, Mpaca, Ikenga's, Bunzi's, and Gleti's (including the weapons) if not for amplifiers.

I feel like they did the math on these sets and decided they would take just about as long as Odyssey sets would have taken to cap, if there was no amplifier bonus introduced. So even if it takes 8 months to cap a set or whatever it is (its crazy long, I agree), it's all there is left to do in this game once you made primes and finished Odyssey gear. They haven't announced anything after Limbus, so for all we know, this is all we're getting this year besides Trust updates. So if you plan on continuing to play in 2026, what else exactly are you going to do besides Limbus? It's literally all there is, lol.

The grind is not going anywhere, but I still don't feel like any of that devalues the gear in any way. Discourages people, maybe.

You can snag the ??? twice a week at minimum (think it repops every 3 days) for 6k per zone per week. So another 24k/month