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Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-06-29 09:06:51
Ok a note about Epeo vs Aettir, and this is going to bruise a lot of ego's. Aettir is better for practically all fights T3 and above. Physical damage won't hurt you, it's just a minor nuisance. Magic damage and most importantly status ailments are what's going to cripple you and Aettir is simply far better at dealing with that. Epeo shines when your needing to super tank a bunch of things that don't do many status ailments.
So not only do you not need an Epeo, but it's actually worse off then the JSE for the higher end fights due to not having MEVD.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:12:30
You know, if they added in more traits to all the other jobs, it would actually be a way to buff all other jobs but BLU, thus doing what all the BLU's are hoping and not nerfing them (I still think their defense should get nerfed, and I think maybe best way would be to not let MG and Cocoon stack).
For THF I want magic evasion traits, keeps with the core of the job and I generally prefer survival over all else(as I either have more DPS than is really needed or I can't survive for ***so DPS doesn't matter). I'd certainly accept some accuracy bonus traits though.
By Odinz 2016-06-29 09:15:55
I'm actually happy with balanced PLD Burt/Aegis are with Ergon RUN.
I like how which tank you bring has implications on how the fights are fought as well.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:18:13
I'm actually happy with balanced PLD Burt/Aegis are with Ergon RUN.
I like how which tank you bring has implications on how the fights are fought as well.
Honestly I think they need to buff PLD and give it a melee version of Rayke/Gambit.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-06-29 09:21:53
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I'm actually happy with balanced PLD Burt/Aegis are with Ergon RUN.
I like how which tank you bring has implications on how the fights are fought as well.
Honestly I think they need to buff PLD and give it a melee version of Rayke/Gambit.
I agree with this. The only thing PLD has over RUN really is just supertanking at this point. Otherwise there isn't any particular reason to use one if you have a good RUN or PUP. The only thing the job does is not die, whereas RUN has Rayke/Gambit and PUP has an unresistable absorb/dispel and doesn't require a healer.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 09:26:33
unless im *** all my maths lil' bit, yeah
And by that I mean holy *** when are you going to stop being bad at this
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »You know, if they added in more traits to all the other jobs, it would actually be a way to buff all other jobs but BLU, thus doing what all the BLU's are hoping and not nerfing them (I still think their defense should get nerfed, and I think maybe best way would be to not let MG and Cocoon stack). BLU doesn't need nerfs.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:31:19
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »You know, if they added in more traits to all the other jobs, it would actually be a way to buff all other jobs but BLU, thus doing what all the BLU's are hoping and not nerfing them (I still think their defense should get nerfed, and I think maybe best way would be to not let MG and Cocoon stack). BLU doesn't need nerfs.
Their defense does a bit, yeah. Defense+75%, highest magic evasion capability of any non-RUN melee, 11 shadows...all a bit too much added up.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-06-29 09:34:28
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:35:50
Compared to how many shadows the other melee get...?
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-06-29 09:41:56
If BLU is tanking something that needs to be blink tanked they'll be /nin. Because occultation isn't reliable enough to take everything, 11 shadows or not. At least with ustusemi you know if you have shadows up you won't be hit unless it's an aoe.
If occultation acted like utsusemi then it would be overpowered, but it's more like blink.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 09:42:07
Almost as if the job trades power for utility, what a concept.
inb4 someone says CDC has 2.25 fTP
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:44:32
Almost as if the job trades power for utility, what a concept.
inb4 someone says CDC has 2.25 fTP
So BLU is below most DD in power because it has utility?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 09:46:12
That's the usual goal when balancing hybrids, yes.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:47:47
That's the usual goal when balancing hybrids, yes.
So you think BLU actually is below most DD in power?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2016-06-29 09:50:38
At least with ustusemi you know if you have shadows up you won't be hit unless it's an aoe. Just an off comment but utsu can take full aoe's. There are certain ones which will take 2-3 shadows but you won't get hit and it doesn't just wipe them. Problem is you have to know which moves do that and which don't.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-06-29 09:51:45
Occultation is far too expensive with a long *** recast, any fight that wipes shadows renders it useless unless the BLU has a Tizona and doesn't mind spending half the fight in casting animation / lock.
When it's useful it tends to be incredibly useful, otherwise it's just a waste of 3 set points. Cocoon is the same, it's over written and blocked by any form of defense down, which everything remotely dangerous has. It necessitates using an erase then reapplying it, only to have it removed again next TP move. When it's useful it's extremely useful, otherwise it's a waste of casting time.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 09:53:04
Occultation is far too expensive with a long *** recast, any fight that wipes shadows renders it useless unless the BLU has a Tizona and doesn't mind spending half the fight in casting animation / lock.
When it's useful it tends to be incredibly useful, otherwise it's just a waste of 3 set points. Cocoon is the same, it's over written and blocked by any form of defense down, which everything remotely dangerous has. It necessitates using an erase then reapplying it, only to have it removed again next TP move. When it's useful it's extremely useful, otherwise it's a waste of casting time.
So you're saying if Cocoon and MG didn't stack, most BLU's wouldn't even notice the difference?
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By geigei 2016-06-29 09:59:20
People are going full potato on this forum lately, dunno whats going on. On a side note....anyone discussed the latest exploit with moogle? Some got stupid rich fast, including some of the posters here.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 10:09:21
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »That's the usual goal when balancing hybrids, yes.
So you think BLU actually is below most DD in power? Last night's findings knock BLU's theoretical DPS from pure CDC spam down by about 20%. There are probably some playstyle optimizations we can make with this information to eke out a couple more percent, but as of now my answer is yes.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2016-06-29 10:11:10
Last night's findings knock BLU's theoretical DPS from CDC spam down by about 20%. There are probably some playstyle optimizations we can make with this information to eke out a couple more percent, but as of now my answer is yes. Has the DPS sheet been updated?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 10:11:44
Yeah.
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By Ragnarok.Phuoc 2016-06-29 10:13:51
People are going full potato on this forum lately, dunno whats going on. On a side note....anyone discussed the latest exploit with moogle? Some got stupid rich fast, including some of the posters here.
I read it a couple times but dont know about the drill, what did ppl do?? i thought it got patched already
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 10:14:33
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »That's the usual goal when balancing hybrids, yes.
So you think BLU actually is below most DD in power? Last night's findings knock BLU's theoretical DPS from pure CDC spam down by about 20%. There are probably some playstyle optimizations we can make with this information to eke out a couple more percent, but as of now my answer is yes.
Neat. Still see some BLU's that are very impressive out there, but I think this is mostly the magic of CDC and crits. I can never get even stacked Rudra's to hit very hard on avatars, but I have seen many different BLU's toss out CDC's that hit nearly as hard as a stacked Rudra's, which seems absolutely absurd to me considering in a more ideal scenario my stacked Rudra's is 2-4x CDC damage.
BLU's major thing that bugs me is they try to force party config to skip haste cap, but this is why I advocate for MG to be AOE baseline so the job can supply haste to the party.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-06-29 10:21:14
Yeah, I still think better distribution of magic haste sources would go a long way for easing issues with party composition/buffs right now. Haste II for WHM/SCH when?
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By geigei 2016-06-29 10:24:08
Selling clusters to ephemeral moogle i think, it was patched yea but suddenly no names running around with multiple hq's on multiple jobs so i guess nobody got banned.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-06-29 10:24:41
Yeah, I still think better distribution of magic haste sources would go a long way for easing issues with party composition/buffs right now. Haste II for WHM/SCH when?
Well, I actually made a suggestion for haste 3 for RDM. But I've also heard there's no room for new magic spells or something, so they'd need to effectively buff Haste 2 to 45%, and thinking just buff Haste to 30% values. Or maybe 22% or something. This makes SMN and RDM able to fully haste cap on their own and I think would open up some party config options.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-06-29 10:44:46
Yeah, I still think better distribution of magic haste sources would go a long way for easing issues with party composition/buffs right now. Haste II for WHM/SCH when?
Magic Haste is our biggest problem right now, I'm loath to hand Haste II to WHM/SCH when those are already extremely powerful. I'd prefer to make Curaga III level 49, while giving WHM Erase II + Erasega to change up the healer selection system.
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-06-29 10:51:48
Yes please.
Asura.Saevel said: Erasega to change up the healer selection system.
Don't take my away!
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By Asura.Cyleena 2016-06-29 10:56:57
Selling clusters to ephemeral moogle i think, it was patched yea but suddenly no names running around with multiple hq's on multiple jobs so i guess nobody got banned.
SE patched the salvage issue before implementing bans, so who knows they might still be coming.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2016-06-29 11:28:27
The reason for the people still use PLD my group included its because Aeigis magic damage taken II. I tried Tank on WAR and DRK some NMS and got destroyed on proper DT reduction sets. I would love hear more about that RUN strategy cuz im surprised they can survive.
Holy f*ck ballz....
RUN has the highest MDB and MEVD in the game, PLD use's Aegis to be on the same level as a naked RUN, then the RUN puts on gear. If your looking to reduce magic damage, RUN absolutely crush's PLD here. The difference is shield blocks let a PLD take less physical damage from auto-attacks*. This ceases to be an advantage on T4's due to their obscene level putting any shield under the 5% block rate floor. That leaves RUN taking less magic damage while also getting hit by fewer enfeebles. RUN then amplifies the group damage in two ways, first being a flat +30% increase from gambit, second being a massive boost from removing the -SDT effect NM's get from consecutive nukes via Rayke. * and physical ws. Also preventing add effects when blocked.
Change that 'any shield', to Aegis, and we're good.
Not even HELM NMs are going to floor Ochain block rate. Not that you get to use Ochain on many of them. But facts are facts.
Seriously SE.. Ilvl and AG Aegis already. Jerks.
Announcing the July Version Update
Hail, friends!
Matsui here with your monthly update on the next version update, scheduled for July 5.
As you have come to expect, July's Ambuscade will feature a new set of villains to tackle, along with fresh new rewards to obtain. Make sure you spend your current hallmarks and gallantry before they get reset!
The recently-added Master Trial proved popular with many players, so we are adding another ultra-difficult battlefield-this one featuring those who wish to tackle the very top of the beastman forces.
A couple of new quests have been added to the Mog Gardens, where the arrival of a googol of girls has Chacharoon in a tizzy.
Rewards from these quests include new mounts, and as such require you have completed the quests Full Speed Ahead! and Titillating Tomes. If you haven't spent much time exploring your Mog Garden, now's the perfect chance to get started!
Other highlights include several job adjustments, an expansion to the number of areas where mounts can be ridden, alter ego compatibility added to several battlefields, help text added to even more food and drink items, and additional entries for the currency menu.
A detailed list of this and more can be found below. Some of these items are still undergoing testing, and last-minute issues may prevent us from including all of them.
Missions/Quests
Implementation Timing Update Task and Overview In-progress Task Notes
July Addition of new quests ・Create text
・Create cutscene —
In-game Contents/System
Implementation Timing Update Task and Overview In-progress Task Notes
July Ambuscade ・Create new NM —
Master Trials ・Create new NM —
Personal chocobo & mounts ・Add new mount
・Expand mountable areas
・Add new areas for chocobo digging —
Mog Garden ・Adjust placement of gil repository
・Adjust placement of mining points
・Add new fertilizer —
Currencies ・Add new category —
Text Commands ・Add new commands —
Auto-translate ・Add new words —
Battle-related
Implementation Timing Update Task and Overview In-progress Task Notes
July Job Traits ・Add new traits —
Beastmaster ・Adjust pet commands —
Summoner ・Adjust pet commands —
Puppetmaster ・Adjust pet commands —
Trust ・Add summonable content —
Item-related
Implementation Timing Update Task and Overview In-progress Task Notes
July Ambuscade ・Create reward item —
Master Trials ・Create reward item —
Synthesis ・Add new recipe —
Certain Meals ・Edit the Help text —
Moogle Storage Slip ・Add storable items —
just wondering what everyone thinks about the "Adjust pet commands" for pup,bst,smn. maybe it lower time only or.. new commands? like auto Deploy when pup battle? or hold tp command?. pick x weapon skill command?. or just wishful thinking!
new Job Traits always welcome:)
edit. better now!? xd
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