Burns Oregon Refuge Takeover Ends In Blood

They easily had probable cause to detain them, the dead guy of course escalated it well beyond that when he tried to run through a road block and nearly kill one of the FBI agents.

You mean the guy that jumped in front of a speeding vehicle with snow on the ground. Totally the drivers fault...... Coming from the guy who thinks that only one shot was fired in that Video.

So they had a probable cause affidavit. Since it wasn't signed by a judge yet.

I have never said there was one shot fired, I said only one agent fired. And it is absolutely the driver's fault for trying to run through a roadblock set up by law enforcement. There is no argument against that, no justification. If you see a roadblock, you stop. If you kill a person, thats a death sentence in court.

I don't think he was actually trying to jump in front of the truck, he was trying to get out of the way and just went the wrong direction. But, even at that speed, it's unlikely he'd have been seriously injured.

Still, trying to go around a roadblock after running from a traffic stop puts them on pretty solid ground in terms of the detainment. It's still the seconds immediately after the truck stopped that really matter, and I can't see there being any more clarity than the aerial video.

He didn't kill anyone and it appears he will miss his court date...

Thats a pathetic quote, I said he gets shot. Did I say he got shot once? Do I have to say he was shot twice in order to say he did not get shot once? There is no evidence to say how many times he was shot, the only thing that can be said with certainty is he was shot. Which is what I said.

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You actually go out of your way to presume he was only shot once. The bolded says that he gets shot, and he immediately goes down. So you're now saying they shot him when he was on the ground?

You did say this after I pointed out your incompitence.

Which only implys that you meant he was shot once before.

No I am not going out of my way to say he was only shot once, I don't make any mention of how many times he was shot. He was shot by the agent in the treeline, in one instance. He was not shot in his side the first time he reached for his pocket, because there was no one there to shoot him on that side of his body. He was shot the second time he reached for his pocket, I don't know how many times and I don't care, it was a justified shooting.

Are you on acid right now Vic? Forget to take your your medication maybe?

You are the one that is delusional and hung up on how many times he was shot, which is completely irrelevant. You are seeing things that aren't there and trying to say I said things I didn't say. They could have shot him 4 times, as long as it was all in the same instance, which it was, its justified. You aren't making any points.

It is a big deal how many times he was shot and WHEN. You even keep saying "the same instance" which is basically the same as saying he is shot once but taking 4 bullets at the exact same moment, same thing. The you try and justify your opinion by saying "which it was" and then justify it again by saying "its justified"

My entire point is if he was shot by the guy in the treeline twice a few seconds apart, that could very much match his movements and the shooting then would not be justified at all!

The only delusional person here is the one that says ***like this.

Anyways, I'm done with you on this subject. You clearly are borderline insane when you cannot even admit your own words and keep saying them over and over.

Scream and shout all you want, there is nothing in the video to substantiate your claims. You can clearly see the agent that shoots him when he clearly reaches for his pocket, he was definitely not shot a few seconds apart. Again, nothing in the video suggests he was shot in two different instances, and there is nothing to suggest the shots were a "few seconds apart."

I never implied he was shot at separate times. I never believed it, I never said it.

There is nothing in the video to substantiate either of your claims. I've watched the HD version of it and I can't see ***. Only way I actually know he was shot at all is when he falls. It isn't like in the movies when you get shot and jerk and blood sprays out all over the place. How about both shut up and wait for the autopsy report, then you will know how many times he was shot.

Why hostility at me? I agree with you 80% more than vic, at least what you said makes some sense. I was merely theorizing anyways and stated it as such, Vic is trying to inject fact when none exists.

I wonder if you think an autopsy report will actually be released to the public anytime soon or a year or two down the road when this all cools down. Even then will it be accurate?

So you can't tell in the HD version (which, can you provide that?) that he was shot by the guy in the tree line? Ok then, sure.

Coming from a far leftist.. Such weight.

Well it's not actually HD, just 480p, but it's not that compressed potato version everyone and their mom is passing around. But seriously you can't tell anyone was shooting at all from it. All I can make out is they have guns pointed at him then at some point he falls down dying, then moves his arm and probably dies.



That's the original source from the fbi there is a link to their press statement in the description.

lol, that's what it really comes down to isn't it? People want to claim it's about race that if these people were black they would have a different opinion. That's not the case, this is the case. It's conservatives verses liberals. Well as much as I hate shattering your narrative of me being a far right nut job, when I vote I tend to either vote for democrats, or abstain.

That actually is a better version, it clearly shows the agent in the treeline shooting him as he reaches into his pocket. He isn't shot by anyone before that.

I can't even. I don't see what you are seeing I can't see the gun fireing, bullets hitting, or anything. I just see Lavoy fall. However after watching a couple times focusing on the officer in the tree line trying to see that, it looks like he reloads his gun afterwards.

Haven't watched but what do you mean by 'reload'? He cycled the action of a bolt-action or put in a new mag?

Really, so are we just to assume that the guy fell down and died via force choke or something? I mean..really.

I find your lack of submission to the government....disturbing.


Live streaming lulz. If lulz were insanity made manifest.

It's a handgun, so new mag. I can't tell for sure though. It's not like you can see a whole lot of detail from this far away.

Oh, well I dunno then.

I dunno about you noobs put I always put in a new mag after only shooting once.

Never know that guy could have second chance active!

I only load one round per mag.

YOLO - You Only Load One