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By Phoenix.Tigertail 2015-09-16 13:09:34
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Hannahmontana said: »
they broke the Geo trusts they try to run off to range like Whms.... >_> leaves us with no sphere lol

Really? Why would they do this I thought Geo trusts couldn't get hurt.
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2015-09-16 13:11:52
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Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
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Has this been discussed yet in terms of where it's obtained? I'm assuming it's from Promathia, but you never know.


Just checking, but there isn't some Super AV or something with this update in Zitah Ru'ann, is there?

Not sure but so far the body isn't showing on the drops list for Promathia BC.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2015-09-16 13:26:10
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Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Has this been discussed yet in terms of where it's obtained? I'm assuming it's from Promathia, but you never know.


Just checking, but there isn't some Super AV or something with this update in Zitah Ru'ann, is there?

Not sure but so far the body isn't showing on the drops list for Promathia BC.

Yeah noones seen it drop ya from Promathia.
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By Bismarck.Linkka 2015-09-16 13:30:59
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Sylph.Shadowlina said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Has this been discussed yet in terms of where it's obtained? I'm assuming it's from Promathia, but you never know.


Just checking, but there isn't some Super AV or something with this update in Zitah Ru'ann, is there?

Not sure but so far the body isn't showing on the drops list for Promathia BC.

Yeah noones seen it drop ya from Promathia.

SE's posted the image of Promathia side by side with the one of the Hume wearing it on their Facebook page. I think that counts as "word of god" as to where it drops from.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-09-16 13:32:30
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
I know it's a step back to "ye olde" content and not the newer stuff, but has anyone heard/seen what the Skirmish +1 augment campaign thing is about?
I kinda figure it was just higher chance at better augs on Hagondes +1 etc, but you never know with how they word things if it meant max augs were increased or something.

I tossed 8 Wailing+2 at some Hagondes+1 stuff. Final one DID give me MAB+29 PDT-4% MDT-4% legs, which is awesome. But I didn't see anything above the prior caps on any stone.

I suspect the most likely campaign effect is that the lower per-stat caps on NQ and +1 stones are raised for this event.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2015-09-16 15:13:41
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Many of the Warder NMs are soloable.
I've seen or soloed
Warder of Temperence (Zdei)
Warder of Hope. (Sharks)
Warder of Fortitude. (Grahs)
Warder of Mercy. (Murex?)

This was all done on (But 1) done on GEO
And Warder of Fortitude does spawn with adds. (Both Grah's), and reflects magic.
Warder of Prudence does spawn with its clone. (Not been informed of the rest of it's mechanics.
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By Chroph 2015-09-16 15:20:26
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Bismarck.Linkka said: »
Sylph.Shadowlina said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Has this been discussed yet in terms of where it's obtained? I'm assuming it's from Promathia, but you never know.


Just checking, but there isn't some Super AV or something with this update in Zitah Ru'ann, is there?

Not sure but so far the body isn't showing on the drops list for Promathia BC.

Yeah noones seen it drop ya from Promathia.

SE's posted the image of Promathia side by side with the one of the Hume wearing it on their Facebook page. I think that counts as "word of god" as to where it drops from.

It's glowing SO very very very very*99999999 rare.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2015-09-16 15:25:29
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So I'm farming the new Escha NMs and forgot which NM I didn't pop. Can anyone help? I have Primary,Secondary,Tertiary,Quaternary,Quinary,Senary,Octonary,Nonary, and Denary Nazar. Solo'd majority of them besides Zdei/Hpemde.
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By Bismarck.Johnb 2015-09-16 17:19:14
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Shiva.Hiep said: »
So I'm farming the new Escha NMs and forgot which NM I didn't pop. Can anyone help? I have Primary,Secondary,Tertiary,Quaternary,Quinary,Senary,Octonary,Nonary, and Denary Nazar. Solo'd majority of them besides Zdei/Hpemde.

It'd be nice if you could give us more information on the NMs you killed.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2015-09-16 17:48:47
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How much lower is the range of bst abilities now?
 
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By Hannahmontana 2015-09-16 18:00:33
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Phoenix.Tigertail said: »
Hannahmontana said: »
they broke the Geo trusts they try to run off to range like Whms.... >_> leaves us with no sphere lol

Really? Why would they do this I thought Geo trusts couldn't get hurt.


they cant so i dont knwo why but bother kuyrin and Kupofried fly away >_>
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By Phoenix.Frankbrodie 2015-09-16 18:01:55
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
How much lower is the range of bst abilities now?

Nearer 10 than the 25 it was. That's for sure.

Much less than half is what I would say. I've just finished Rhapsody on a mules BST/99 this minute. And it makes me basically get into melee range myself to spam moves on it.

Not a problem as such for what I do. Will sort of spoil any sort of BST Shinryu solo. Or anything at all with aoe charm/doom etc.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2015-09-16 18:02:00
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
How much lower is the range of bst abilities now?

Considerably. You have to be within range of AoE to do anything. I think they went too far with it.
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By Hannahmontana 2015-09-16 18:04:00
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Doing Omega fights on Easy and it can be really easy and really hard lol. havent seen any gear drops yet but im hoping it drops from lowers like carby did. teodor isnt a good idea due to the no healing

did SATA on ultima and he petrified me lol wiped everyone else gone and i won barly lol
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By Bismarck.Linkka 2015-09-16 18:23:55
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Guess no patch for me, stuck in Pol-1155 error hell.

Update:

I found the issue, Windows 10 wouldn't allow Pol to replace the .dll's. I had to do that manually.
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By Bahamut.Seekerstar 2015-09-16 18:27:17
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
How much lower is the range of bst abilities now?

Considerably. You have to be within range of AoE to do anything. I think they went too far with it.

Summoners had to do it for like ever.

Of course now it seems to be reversed.

I have to admit that there could have been better ways to fix the broken of BST... like balance the jug pets instead of the distance fix.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2015-09-16 18:42:53
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How hard are the new jailer NMs? Can they be soloed with trusts? I wouldn't mind getting to work on that crafted torque to rule them all.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-09-16 18:45:21
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Think they've all be solo'd, bar the new Jailer of Love, which no one has seemed to have fought yet.

Source: BG
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By Bismarck.Johnb 2015-09-16 18:51:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
Think they've all be solo'd, bar the new Jailer of Love, which no one has seemed to have fought yet.

Source: BG

Warder of Prudence is very difficult since it's 2 mobs at once.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-09-16 18:52:57
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Bismarck.Johnb said: »
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Think they've all be solo'd, bar the new Jailer of Love, which no one has seemed to have fought yet.

Source: BG

Warder of Prudence is very difficult since it's 2 mobs at once.

Depends on job? I guess?
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By Odin.Godofgods 2015-09-16 18:59:57
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Bismarck.Linkka said: »
Guess no patch for me, stuck in Pol-1155 error hell.

Update:

I found the issue, Windows 10 wouldn't allow Pol to replace the .dll's. I had to do that manually.

how did you do that? Im stuck with 1153 errors
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By Quetzalcoatl.Frodnon 2015-09-16 19:02:48
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Bismarck.Johnb said: »
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Think they've all be solo'd, bar the new Jailer of Love, which no one has seemed to have fought yet.

Source: BG

Warder of Prudence is very difficult since it's 2 mobs at once.
Warden of love is pretty *** squishy. tank with august, chainspell ramuh to kill pets and take him down.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2015-09-16 19:17:34
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Did the Volatile Cluster UNM for new Soboro, some tips:

We got kinda wrecked first time not knowing what to expect. Has a rather potent blaze spikes, which you can't dispel unless you hit white proc (we did a few times, perhaps via MB).

Self-destruct is very strong. 1 shotted a well geared PLD. Scherzo doesn't block it. NIN Migawari DOES cancel it out though (and I'm curious as to whether RUN's Foil does too).

We went back with an 8 person setup of:
NIN NIN WHM BRD
BLM BLM GEO COR (I think that was the mage party)

Won a few times very smoothly after getting a sense of the fight. NINs must keep Migawari up, turn if it's down. Marches/haste for recast. Spikes are the biggest source of damage, WHM just spam curaga on the NINs. We'd do Hi > Hi for Darkness, BLMs MB Blizzard.

7 people got NQ Norifusa (Soboro) in 3 fights, seemed quite high drop rate. 1-2 people got Aurist's Cloak.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-09-16 19:52:54
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
The tradeoff is needing much better gear to be able to use mages than pet jobs. It might not be perfect, but it's not terrible either.

Melee have the best output, but require high gear and high support.

Mages have slightly worse output, but require high gear and medium support.

Pet jobs have the lowest output, but require medium gear and medium support.

The biggest requirement for melee strats is a WHM who is near godlike in ability. Those are rare as *** because most got bored of always coming WHM and left the game to play something else. Everything now does aoe paralyze, curse, doom, silence, HP down, massive defense down, magic defense down, attack down, accuracy down, and the list goes on and on. With so many status ailments along with aoe attacks that can cripple anyone not a PLD or RUN, the WHM becomes absolutely critical to the success of any melee orientated strategy. Using mages alleviates this somewhat, the healer can be of a lessor quality, sometimes trust level, since a single PLD or RUN can hold the NM and the mages can nuke, SC or whatever without fear of all those nasty status ailments + damage.

Or you could just use BST's and laugh all day about how "easy" it was since they can be made more powerful then melee's with less support while being as safe as mages. A mediocre GEO and someone's COR mule is all that's needed to turn their pets into rampaging incarnations of cheese. And half the time you don't even need a tank with several BST's since their pets will tank with their absurd HP levels and -DT. Though doing that requires a BST who's not a complete noob, or wait *cough cough* "highly geared" *cough cough* (yes those were air quotes).

And SE just fixed the most glaring issue. They got to keep their cheesiness and exploitable damage mechanics, but now they need to be in range like the other melee's and get hit my the exact same aoe's. BST strat is still possible but now it requires a healer and tank and those BST's can't be complete noobs and need to have -DT sets like every other DD. They also need to split their -DT between themselves and their pets, so possible a balance happening there as well.
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By nosrondd 2015-09-16 20:06:33
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Odin.Godofgods said: »
How much lower is the range of bst abilities now?
Down to around 7 yalms from 25 yalms. And its to the mob not the pet.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2015-09-16 20:11:23
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Why 12 yrs later is this a problem? They finally made bst a dd contender and once again like with th ppl cried about it. Bst was designed to be a solo job now its forced to be in danger. This is especially a prob in lower lvls and now u have to risk dying to do a tp move.
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