The 6th Ministry's Secret: A Summoner's Guide (v2)

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By Tarage 2018-06-01 15:00:56
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Well the thing is I'm running out of 'things I need'. At this point I'm building a Relic and Empy staff just because. I have 30 sacks of each stone type in addition to all the ones I've stored and they aren't really worth selling on the AH for ~30k a stack when I have so much other more valuable things to sell like stacks of alex. Other than staff and hands is there any other slot worth using stones to make an item for?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wubbabear 2018-06-06 06:43:42
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I do have a few questions I've been gearing summoner for a while and cannot quite find decent answers for this. For flaming crush what path do you go for apogee MAB or PHYS since its hybrid? Im just looking for decent answers since i only have 1 full set of HQ apogee and 1 NQ so looking to know what path to go for HQ atm.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-06-06 06:51:09
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Both affect the damage, and ideally you want both, but in theory -at least to a certain point- attack should count more. Emphasis on should

Flaming Crush is based on two components. A physical part and a magical part. Att would benefit the phys one, mab the magical part. So far so good, right?
But it gets more complicated because the magical part damage is calculated based on how much damage the physical part does.
Which means the more damage the phys part does, the more damage the magical part will do.

This means that boosting your mab will affect just the magical part of Flaming Crush, whereas boosting your att will affect both the physical part (directly) and the magical part (indirectly).

Things get even more complicated though, because the point-to-point relevance is skewed towards mab.
1 point of attack means less for the phys part than 1 point of mab means for the magical part.
Someone theorized a very very approximated relationship (the purpose of which is just to serve as an example) of 2:1.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wubbabear 2018-06-06 07:09:45
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This is my current flaming crush set any thoughts all apogee peices are MAB route.

sets.midcast.Pet['Flaming Crush'] = {main="Gridarvor",sub="Elan Strap +1",ammo="Sancus Sachet +1",
head="Apogee Crown +1",neck="Caller's Pendant",ear1="Gelos Earring",ear2="Summoning Earring",
body="Con. Doublet +2",hands="Merlinic Dastanas",ring1="Varar Ring +1",ring2="Varar Ring +1",
back=gear.smn_phys_cape,waist="Incarnation Sash",legs="Apogee Slacks +1",feet="Apogee Pumps +1"}
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By Cerberus.Boogs 2018-06-06 07:31:47
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It costs 1k silt to change the path of a fully augmented apogee piece (+1 or not). Since your gear set is not a fixed set (due to augments on Merlinic Dastanas and Grio), you may be better off just testing out the damage yourself using one set of augments, and then swapping the augments with Nolan using 1k silt to test another set. That way you'll know which augments works best for YOUR set of gear.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wubbabear 2018-06-06 07:34:36
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Hmm alright i appreciate it was just trying to figure out how to get the bang for my buck for volt strike and flaming crush
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-06-06 09:55:28
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BP Damage & Pet:MAB tend to be the main two stats for Flaming Crush. However, as Sechs mentioned, you do need a certain level of phys acc/atk as well. Generally speaking though, gear should favor MAB over phys acc/atk. In fact, my Flaming Crush build closely resembles my Magic BP build with a few key differences: Nirvana, AF+3 body, physical Ambu cape, and path D Apogee Slacks.

I'd suggest setting up your set along similar lines, and it looks like you have. The only thing I see that's a poor choice is staff, Gridarvor isn't doing much for your Flaming since fTP doesn't transfer across multiple hits. You'll do better with your magic BP staff.

The Apogee head and feet I use for Flaming are both path A. That's what I'd recommend doing as well, path A head/body/feet, path D legs. For Volt Strike, you're better off making Helios pieces for head/feet, so until you can do that just use your path A HQ pieces. Honestly, 10 BP damage with zero attack will probably do more for your Volt than 7 BP damage with 30 attack, so I don't think those NQ pieces will do you much good but you could try them.
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By Fenrir.Dracosam 2018-06-08 17:31:24
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I'm new to smn, and i couldn't find info about what exactly does BP dmg:
1. is it like WSD who affect on certain BP only first hit and on some other all hit
2. just a raw % boost of dmg that aply at end ?

other question is when you got beast and drac roll + frailty i guess that you favor BPD and pet:DA over Pet: att by a lot, or pet not work the same as melee job ?
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By Elizabet 2018-06-08 23:44:16
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Fenrir.Dracosam said: »
I'm new to smn, and i couldn't find info about what exactly does BP dmg:
1. is it like WSD who affect on certain BP only first hit and on some other all hit
2. just a raw % boost of dmg that aply at end ?

If I am not mistaken, it's more like #2. That being said, you don't wanna stack it at all cost while neglecting pet:MAB on magic pacts. 1 high multiplier is less overall dmg than 2 different but lower multipliers. (with current gear we can't stack 1 of them to the point that it outshines having a mix of both)

Fenrir.Dracosam said: »
other question is when you got beast and drac roll + frailty i guess that you favor BPD and pet:DA over Pet: att by a lot, or pet not work the same as melee job ?

This is more BP specific, but in general, in those situation, you are likely to be using Volt Strike (or pred claws), and those BP caries ftp on all hits, that's why multi hitting this one is important and as such we favor pet:DA.

The ftp carrying BP are: Rush, Pred Claws, Volt Strike and Eclipse Bite.
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By Fenrir.Dracosam 2018-06-09 10:06:59
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thanks

Enticer's Pants or apogee +1 for physical if not over 2350 tp ?
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By Wotasu 2018-06-09 11:12:28
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Enticers is only used for merit BP, Apogee slacks+1 D for physical, 21BP 20str & +4 Dbl Atk vs 12BP and 650tp bonus.
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By Odin.Slore 2018-06-13 12:56:03
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anyone able to point me towards updated sets or someone who wants to share a lua just for gear? Just needing to get pointed in right direction for gear for physcial and magical bp's. I have read through entire section but I dont find anything up to date per say. A friend said theres merlinic in ther enow but none of the sets in the forums show any.

Edit: forgot to add im almost done with nirvana if that makes a difference in sets too.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-06-14 10:09:41
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Here's my Lua if you want to peruse the sets: https://pastebin.com/Fa5PtueC

Look for the pet_midcast sets, they should have what you're looking for.
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