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By Asura.Byrne 2017-06-03 14:47:47
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Asura.Toralin said: »
What is a good 6-step using swords for the 6 skillchain objective, to be honest other than the mega-boss im utilizing a hybrid setup for tp/gain ws spam, so its worth it to build the proper set

Burning Blade to Seraph blade can be repeated over and over until you get it
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By Taint 2017-06-03 15:37:30
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Asura.Toralin said: »
What is a good 6-step using swords for the 6 skillchain objective, to be honest other than the mega-boss im utilizing a hybrid setup for tp/gain ws spam, so its worth it to build the proper set


Pull 5-8 mobs in full Arke and you don't even need buffs, just come heals. You can self SC all day long.
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By Asura.Kogasho 2017-06-05 13:30:45
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Was curious on which different type of back cape augments i should get from ambuscade?
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By Taint 2017-06-05 14:15:17
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In order of priority

1) HP80,meva20,emn10 - general tanking
2) str30,acc20,wsdmg10 - savage, KoR
3) dex30,acc20,da10 - TP and CDC
4) str30,acc20,da10 - general WS
4) vit30 or hp80, whatever, FC10 - abilities and FC
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By Davorin 2017-06-05 14:28:30
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I'd prioritize the FC cape second.
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-06-05 14:37:35
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Davorin said: »
I'd prioritize the FC cape second.

+1, PLD has a much harder time than RUN to get high FC and 10 on a single piece with decent HP is amazing
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By Blazed1979 2017-06-05 15:56:43
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Taint said: »
In order of priority

1) HP80,meva20,emn10 - general tanking
2) str30,acc20,wsdmg10 - savage, KoR
3) dex30,acc20,da10 - TP and CDC
4) str30,acc20,da10 - general WS
4) vit30 or hp80, whatever, FC10 - abilities and FC
What spynx said. Annoying as hell to drop 1k worth of gear HP just to cap fast cast in other slots. Probably the biggest bang for your buck right there (FC10 on back).

I'm getting some ridiculously high numbers with KOR, even without an ambuscade cape tailored to it, so I would honestly prioritise that second and I would have finished mine earlier if I had known it was this ridiculously good.
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By Taint 2017-06-05 16:06:33
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That's interesting. There isn't much content I do in a turtle set so I did my dps/WS capes first.


Are you guys sitting in full HP sets for t4s? I'm sitting at 3750-4100hp (food vorseals) and feel like I'm over doing it.


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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-05 16:07:00
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I think HP management is one of the most under-utilized functions of PLD. 4,000 HP is great, but if every time you engage/cast/ws you go down to 2,300 what good is that other than pissing off anyone healing you.

I generally try to keep myself from blinking yellow(3000+) on any function. Fastcast is the BIGGEST ***. I am leaving quite a bit of FC "on the table" so im not throwing away 1800hp to my flash goes a little faster.


PLD is one of the trickier jobs from this perspective alone, imo
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By Blazed1979 2017-06-05 16:49:25
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3.8k Mark in Reisen/Omen.
Only spell that drops me down below 3k is Enlight II. (drops me down to 2.3k - alarms everyone around me when it happens but its only max twice a fight)

The HP management was an issue for me too. With the Arke+1/Arke set I am really enjoying being able to land hits and not getting pulverized as a side effect. If I stated it was underrated before due to its TP gain benefits, I'm stating it was unimaginably underrated now that I've tanked everything with it. Its not full on turtle mode sure, and I lose about 400hp using it. But the DPS is epic and I'm still surviving. Not even coming close to the red mark.
It also means I can use more fast cast without my HP slipping into yellow and freaking everyone out.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-06-05 17:44:11
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Are you using a custom ws set for this type of DD? Cause My ws sets drop me down to 2k'ish(iirc) HP. And if you WS that fast, your HP is gonna look like a damn yoyo.

That said, if you do account for HP while gearing for WS, it's inevitably going to hit you in the DPS, and the DPS was the entire point in the first place.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-05 17:47:24
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Blazed1979 said: »
3.8k Mark in Reisen/Omen.
Only spell that drops me down below 3k is Enlight II. (drops me down to 2.3k - alarms everyone around me when it happens but its only max twice a fight)

The HP management was an issue for me too. With the Arke+1/Arke set I am really enjoying being able to land hits and not getting pulverized as a side effect. If I stated it was underrated before due to its TP gain benefits, I'm stating it was unimaginably underrated now that I've tanked everything with it. Its not full on turtle mode sure, and I lose about 400hp using it. But the DPS is epic and I'm still surviving. Not even coming close to the red mark.
It also means I can use more fast cast without my HP slipping into yellow and freaking everyone out.

Whats in your enlight set jesus?

Im at 521 skill(Divine) and 3276 HP (no food, not in reisen). I believe 520 skill gives 115 accuracy
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-05 17:54:36
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Taint said: »
That's interesting. There isn't much content I do in a turtle set so I did my dps/WS capes first.


Are you guys sitting in full HP sets for t4s? I'm sitting at 3750-4100hp (food vorseals) and feel like I'm over doing it.


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That is more or less what I use, Burt, Staunch+1, Creed belt, etiol earring
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By Bismarck.Firedemon 2017-06-05 18:05:56
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Close to what I use. Burtgang, Loricate +1, Etiolation/Thureous earrings, JSE cape, Defending ring instead of another moonbeam, Ninurta's.
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By Taint 2017-06-05 18:39:26
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Does anyone bother with Shadow mantle/Ring?
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By Taint 2017-06-05 18:45:17
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Are you using a custom ws set for this type of DD? Cause My ws sets drop me down to 2k'ish(iirc) HP. And if you WS that fast, your HP is gonna look like a damn yoyo.

That said, if you do account for HP while gearing for WS, it's inevitably going to hit you in the DPS, and the DPS was the entire point in the first place.


That's a great discussion point. Currently when I use an Arke build (T1-2s, Ambuscade, Omen) I just use my stand WS set which drops me to ~2000. (as you stated)

If you are using a Arke+hp hybrid the answer looks to be to WS in Arke gear and just lose the accessory slot HP. The NQ set is plus 738hp and has respectable STR/DEX.

The biggest gain from Arke is frequency so a smaller WS average is worth the rate at which you WS.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-06-05 18:57:46
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Right now, if I really feel the need for boosted max HP to survive then I usually just don't WS.

You ever do stuff to take more dmg for increased TP gain? XD

Cancel protect/phalanx(Berserk, if you ever /war), tell the whm to quit it with the cureskin, etc. Put that WHM to work!
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-05 19:04:16
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yeah I was working on all this lustrio+1 ***for CDC so i could really start helping clear the trash on Omen, but it kept dropping me down to 2.3k, so now ive got a toggle to keep my HP up around 2800 on WS because it was annoying, especially if you got a healer that bot curing, youll smoke their MP quickly
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By Blazed1979 2017-06-05 20:12:37
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Whats in your enlight set jesus?
the exact same as the OP BIS for it but with DM +4 only on legs.

Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Are you using a custom ws set for this type of DD?
for Kor?
I'm set up to have 4 different types of sets on melee and 4 different types of ws sets that I can switch independent of each other.
The HUGE omg KOR comes from this one:
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is something I will use in Ambuscade intense, most omen except Kyou, all T3s and if there's a good WHM who understands how aggressive tanks play or someone with me on discord I'll use it on anything.
To answer your question about the yoyoing HP. I can control based on which Melee set I'm in. In the Sulv+1/+2 which is a low-tier hybrid set the hp doesn't yoyo that much. But to go from Turtle to this, yes - it will look like I just took s knee to the balls.
When In arke+1, the KORs aren't as impressive but still a good 10-15k more dmg than atonement and much higher accuracy and consistent dmg than savage blade. The big Kors being in the 20's from the set I posted above and sometimes even in the 30's.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-05 21:55:58
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What's your divine skill in that enlight set?
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By Blazed1979 2017-06-06 06:09:22
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Asura.Toralin said: »
What's your divine skill in that enlight set?
around the 535 mark. At work at the moment.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-06-06 06:28:41
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ItemSet 333814
560 divine skill on Master PLD. 140 starting dmg/acc. 2.2k HP while casting on PLD/BLU.

Haven't re-evaluated this set in awhile... I could swap out D ring for a nq stikini then swap feet to Souveran+1 and recover 220+ Hp. Less DT while casting, but I'd also get back ilvl defensive stats on feet.
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By Blazed1979 2017-06-06 07:02:57
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How much accuracy + do you get from 560?
Other than the reverence coat+3, I should be able to tweek mine to look like yours. Still at work so not sure but I'm fairly certain I get +114 accuracy from mine.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-06-06 07:47:55
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The acc matches the damage dealt. As I stated in the post, it's 140 acc for the initial hit at 560 skill. Ahh, btw this is for Enlight II.

You can confirm the acc gain via check param.

535 skill should be around 135, unless you have no enlight JP or something. Then it would be about 115.

I'd like to note that the enlight II formula on BGwiki seems to be slightly off. It predicts 142 at 560 skill, but I'm getting 140.
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-06 07:56:43
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at 521 skill im getting 135. at 550 skill im getting 137 accuracy
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By Asura.Toralin 2017-06-06 07:58:18
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seems like the tiers go up in 2 or 3 acc so with whats being posted it seems like it goes

I did some lose testing.
135 - 521-537 skill
137 - 541-550 skill
140 - ???

the exact breaking point of the tiers I dont know but to maintain 3k hp is worth staying at 137 vs 140, vs dropping another 700-800hp. IMO


you could argue for things you want acc bad enough to hit/ws(Sweetwater) that even when you drop to 2.2-2.3 its not gonna be that dangerous, but even when tanking things like Ou I am still running enlight2 to get TP for SC or Chivalry, or even hate from Atonement, so I still feel its best to sac 3 acc for the 3k+ HP
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By Valefor.Omnys 2017-06-06 11:34:53
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Asura.Toralin said: »
Are you guys sitting in full HP sets for t4s? I'm sitting at 3750-4100hp (food vorseals) and feel like I'm over doing it.

Well, people were regularly killing T4s with tanks under 3K HP.

There are times to use HP anyway (because hey, you have it) like anything with Zombie (nullifies healing), Fake-Weakened, Yakshi's potent hp-curse I guess.

The other factor is how much of that you can sustain. If you're losing 500 hp with every action, is it really doing anything other than giving the healer more enmity? Not that healer enmity is an issue.

Certain things where I wasn't going to hit anyway, I had a set that was basically //gs disable all, swapped in some fc accessories but prioritized keeping HP high since I wasn't doing anything else.

But no, none of it needs 4k HP.
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By Asura.Kogasho 2017-06-08 23:01:56
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does wearing moonbeam cape with its huge boost to HP negate using ambuscade back capes that have HP 80 on them when using spells?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-06-09 01:21:55
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Regarding the Enlight II discussion earlier, I've done some thorough testing. I'll start with the conclusion then post the test data below.

The current formula on BG;

Endamage/Accuracy Boost = 2×floor( (Divine Magic Skill+85)÷13 ) + floor( (Divine Magic Skill+85)÷26 ) + Enlight Job Points

Does appear to work quite well, right up until you hit 500 skill. then it starts to deviate. After 500 skill tiers seem to revert to the enlight 1 system of increasing by 2 every 20 skill, and 3 every 40.

So there's tiers at 500,520,540, etc. Tested all the way up to 600 skill.

New above 500 skill formula would be,

=(2xFLOOR((Divine Magic skill+400)÷20)+FLOOR((Divine Magic skill+400)÷40))+Job Points

There might be a better way to write this, but this does work for all Enlight II tiers from 500~600 skill.

Here's an excel friendly version, just replace divine magic/jp with the cells for those values.
=(2*FLOOR((Divine Magic skill+400)/20,1)+FLOOR((Divine Magic skill+400)/40,1))+Job Points

Test data

Using an image for this table. It just takes too long to clean up text based table on these forums.

Formula 1 is using existing formula on BGwiki
Formula 2 is using the modified version I made for 500+ skill.


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Enlight II							
skill	JP	base acc	Final acc	ACC gain	Formula1	Formula2	tiers
456	20	890	1012	122	122		
459	20	890	1012	122	122		
460	20	890	1015	125	122		*
465	20	890	1015	125	125		
470	20	890	1015	125	125		
471	20	890	1015	125	125		
473	20	899	1024	125	125		
474	20	890	1017	127	127		*
475	20	890	1017	127	127		
485	20	899	1026	127	127		
486	20	899	1026	127	127		
487	20	899	1029	130	130		*
488	20	899	1029	130	130		
490	20	825	955	130	130		
498	20	825	955	130	130		
499	20	825	955	130	130		
500	20	825	957	132	132	132	*
515	20	825	957	132	135	132	
519	20	812	944	132	135	132	
520	20	834	969	135	135	135	*
539	20	782	917	135	140	135	
540	20	782	919	137	140	137	*
545	20	799	936	137	140	137	
550	20	799	936	137	140	137	
555	20	768	905	137	142	137	
558	20	786	923	137	142	137	
559	20	780	917	137	142	137	
560	20	768	908	140	142	140	*
570	20	774	914	140	145	140	
575	20	774	914	140	145	140	
577	20	774	914	140	145	140	
578	20	784	924	140	147	140	
579	20	746	886	140	147	140	
580	20	774	916	142	147	142	*
593	20	755	897	142	150	142	
598	20	755	897	142	150	142	
600	20	755	900	145	150	145	*
605	20	755	900	145	152	145	
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By Asura.Kogasho 2017-06-11 00:33:01
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I have around 3300hp outside Reisenjima, on PLD but with my GS everytime I cast a spell it always puts me to about 2700-2800ish Yellow HP. Should my HP even get that low when casting phalanx, Cures, and Flash? My Fast Cast set is about 90% identical to the first page fast cast set. Any pointers?
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