Capacity Points Parties Are Not Fun

I agree, the base rate should be 2x the normal rate forever. (Then we can stop having double cap campaigns back to back to back to back.)

And while I prefer Abyssea exp parties for their egalitarian inclusivity... Eg: they help more than just endgame players.
I don't mind cap PTs.

Then again, lest you are doing it with other friends, people still be racist to jobs like SMN.
So I wouldn't mind if there was an alternative method... Which there is!
Reives now poop out decent Cap points... 1250/2. That's pretty good from a casual standpoint.
Though it still annoys me that WKRs give the same cap points... They really should make them give 1/3~1 JP.
It'll make people want to do them more, which will help more than just endgame people.
(Could also make the delve mats drop from them too. Not like that campaign really hurt the value of them.)
EDIT: And it would increase the supply of HP Bayld... Helping out Ergon makers. Such a small little change helps out everyone.

Because pink bird parties at Caedarva were way better.

/sarcasm

ftfy.

No they weren't better. In fact as I didn't like it then, I don't suddenly like it now.

Make subgates Acuex/Umbril/Dullahans give +50%/75%/100% bonus CP.
I love me some geo flash nova+rng trueflight burn groups that can melt acuex/umbrils, but there isn't any significant xp/cp incentive to go after anything that links/has really mean TP moves.

They need to make ridiculously hard+high reward camps, I would put up with some super annoying stuff like ironclads/caturae if a mythic tier party running full speed pulled 25+ jp/hr.

Right now bats is like 12-15/hr during campaign if you get the entire place to yourself and have a bard running down the hall pulling bats+stray umbrils to keep the chain up.

just do what the cool kids to, and bot them while you afk for work/sleep/etc.

just kidding. i in no way am promoting the use of 3rd party tools to automate gameplay.

more to the point. I think SE developed the CP/JP system as a way for the more serious players to max out their character, while severely nerfing the ability to acquire them in Abyssea. It brings back an aspect of the game that some people missed, and that is the old party system, while at the same time, promoting the new Gifts system.

Get used to it. While we dont "need" Job Points or Gifts currently, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the new tier of stuff coming out in the next update will start to make them more and more crucial.

They already created enhanced CP value camps. It's called incursion. BRD GEO RDM or WHM 3 Anything. Gifts/Cape/Ring & Campaign (can drop a BRD for a great melee COR for even better points). Have to be creative though. Since incursion only takes a fetish KI and some good play, its a really good option for non-boss farming.

I saw a RUN main heal a CP party at Woh gates worms/bunnies so free-form it is. It is so much easier than "old school parties". This is the lite version.
If you can't get CP or you think it is hard do us a favor and quit.

No game development decisions should be based around these people.

They are most likely lazy, and might possibly have some kind of mental impediment.

During the double campaign I get around 10,000 cp per boss kill, and that's without cor roll or cp cape (don't equip it cause I'm camping stun :P). People in the cor party are getting far more cp per kill.

Also cp parties can be fun. We end up farming merits to do HTBF fights and that earns quite a bit of cp as well. We goof off on vent while we farm and don't take the grinding too seriously - makes for fun times.

oh someone complaining about JP's. How novel.

Srsly went for an hour and a half last night on cor using a whm trust and 5 PCs and got 13 job points. It's not my fav but it was nowhere near hard.

That's the point, it's not your fav.

Some jobs have less opportunities to join a JP party.

Back in those day where the JP were Merits Point i leveled up my BRD to cap those merits on every job... sincerely i've wasted enough time during those years, the game has changed and all stuffs now are faster i don't understand why they did introduce a so old-style feature. 3 hours killing the same monster to do a bunch of JP for 1 job??? i can perfectly understand all those lost souls killing flutirini in ra´kaznar... -.-'

Nobody finds farming CP difficult, it's just a long and completely joyless/brainless grind.

Judging by the state of my server, most of the playerbase has already done you that favor thou.

Well the easy way is just to form your parties on the job you want, easy to CP with 3 members + trusts...I do it every week for double DM2 runs ;)

You didnt seem to have a problem killing crabs from lv5 all the way to lv 75?

Except CP and Abyssea are for two completely different things. Abyssea is to get XP to get to 99 and wear iLevel gear, CP is once your already 99 with iLevel gear and are now raising your own stats. Seriously, how is a level 75 or 80 character supposed to even do "CP" parties? Maybe if they a GEO or BRD they can kinda leech, but a 75 WAR / SAM / <any other non support> is going to be whiffing non-stop and hitting for pitiful damage.

It's three distinct leveling phases

Solo XP to 30~50,
Abbyssea burn to 99,
CP parties once at 99,

So blaming sub-99 abyssea for the lack of post-99 "CP parties" is kinda of dumb. I mean can you even get CP inside abyssea?

The real reason there is a big lack of CP parties is that you can't transfer JP from one class to another. This severely limits you to slow soloing + trusts or grinding along in makeshift parties in shitty camps. Occasionally you meet people who have BRD mules, or who for some reason haven't already capped out CP on all their support jobs and then you can do a decent camp with buffs. Double CP campaign makes it somewhat tolerable.

I dunno where you got the idea his post's target was the sub 99 crowd. I dunno about other servers, but on Bahamut Aby shouts for merits are still a very real thing. His post is hinting at those types of people to get into SoA to get merits just as fast if not faster plus CPs.

If they shouting for merits in abyssea then they don't have the gear / jobs to do it in SoA. Have you been to those shouts? It's a bunch of people in 80~99 gear with maybe one or two in iLevel gear, they couldn't do CP even if they wanted to. Usually those shouts are started by people wanting to level another job or one of their mules and they just hoping to nab a few others to assist with that. Merits are much faster in SoA to get as long as you got the gear to actually hit / kill 113 or higher targets. 119 geared melee still needs sushi to get capped hit rate in Doh gates on fish / pugils with standard TP sets, and that's the lowest camp that provides decent CP.

I have been to them to afk out on a job I'll never play. And at least on Bahamut, typically, there's a few lowbies and/or people lvling another job. Most of the others are people trying to act like a badass and be impressive or something. It's a pretty ugly thing, maybe Lakshmi isn't that way.

Lol I moved to bahamut months ago. I guess it depends on when you get into them. My experience is that it's a bunch of lowbies and freeloaders. Also he mentioned ISL's "feeding" people and in a typical abyssea burn the XP from ISL's is small compared to what you get from the horde of raptors / ect.. your burning down. It's only really the low level chest popers who rely on those for XP due to how little they get from the mobs. Abyssea really is just a leveling place, it's not worth going to for merits.

What makes things worse is that stacking capacity points is currently the most fun you can have in final fantasy 11.

Comparing capacity points to exp parties is completely idiotic since they are two completely different things. CP are easy to get no matter what level gear you are it just changes the speed at which you get them. It's not like you have to be at a camp at woh gates to get CP, you get them just playing the game normally... On top of that people that go to abyssea for merits are idiotic anyway so that's besides the point.

Capacity points are designed to be a boring extra that by no means is needed at the moment to play the game. However, they are a great bonus for people for people willing to get them. If you are complaining about them you have two options: Don't do them hardcore and get them as they come or shut the hell up and get over it.

I don't agree with you... a boring extra? Tell a BLU that 10 Blu magic points is only a "Boring Extra". let's see what they will add with this update, probably every mage will get new spells during the next update and what if you will need something like 150 JP to unlock them? Tell a BLM that has been totally forgotten since ppl can solo Yorcia Skirmish that now he must reach 150 JP to be useful again to do a couple of alluvions yorcia skirmish and being forgotten again...

Spot on.

I don't mind people getting to Lv99 via Abyssea but meriting in there and being hand-held through most of it just ends up bad for everyone said people group with in future. Point in case being White Mages with underskilled enhancing and healing magic resulting in barspells that give under 100 resistance and Cure IV's for 500.

That's where sparks skill up tomes come in. If they aren't doing that to supplement skill gain... then that's a whole new barrel of "Git Gud"

The blu one I can agree is super good, but it's not hard for a blu to get capacity points anyway. It's an extra at the current moment, the update hasn't happened yet and for all we know the job point spells will be mediocre. Does that mean I won't get them? Not at all, but as the game currently plays one doesn't need capped job points to clear all content in this game it's an extra.

I guess you can need a black mage for yorcia alluvion... I doubt it but it would be a nice reason to toss blm back into the mix. Although I'm sure if a black mage player cared they can get the points they need... Heck I see shouts daily about incursion runs that want a black mage. Bam easy points...

You just contradicted yourself. What use will an under leveled melee or a WHM that cures for 500 be in a CP party against 114~119 monsters? The few people "meriting" in abysea are largely AFK since trust soloing CP gives far better merits then abyssea burn. The only people I know who actively merit inside abysea have such crap gear / skills that would make useless in SoA areas. It's why CP and abyssea are two totally different things, the presence of abyseea in no way, shape or form hinders the acquisition of CP.

Or put in another way, a developer at SE could delete all the abyssea zones, or have it such that killing a single monster inside delevels you to 1 and it would have zero impact on forming CP parties.

Are the people complaining about CP new to the game? As in Aby Era.

CP's are easier to get then Merits were back at 75 cap. 1.5-2k CP a kill Woh's Gate Bunny/Worms isn't hard and any well geared jobs can accomplish this. If this is considered hard, might as well go play WoW.

It may be boring but why does everything that makes your character stronger have to be instant gratification? Take the time to personalize your character.

Gaining CP so easy a caveman can do it.