Dagger!

I never really see anyone speak about SMN using Daggers,

and I apologize if someone already has...

but I figured, why not try it out myself?

Dagger isn't necessarily good for your avatars damage, but we are given a dagger skill to level up and it can be useful at times.

The TP gain rate for dagger (especially dual wielding if you're subbing DNC) will be pretty quick, and you can have dagger WS's like Energy Drain for MP stealing, which is pretty much another version of Spirit taker, except the mob has to have MP, if I remember correctly, because you're STEALING their MP.

Oh, you're doing Voidwatch in a small party?

Boom. You got dagger skill incase a proc is needed.

And you're having fun at the same time.

Also, as long as you weapon skill first, you can immediatley swap to your staff for your avatar (nirvana, keraunos, frazil, balsam/astralwatcher, etc.) to perform a successful skillchain with your avatar.

And honestly from what I've done so far, my hits land 90% of the time! Hastega II, some pet food (that benefits you as well) and you're set!

I think this would be great for stuff like VW, Delve, Wildskeeper reives, soloing, PVP and BC's.

Gearwise, this is my current set. Very little for the avatar, but giving them something incase I have them out. Caller's pendant for that regain, incase you decide to SC with your avatar and you had apogee up and wanted to magic burst, or you want to use your avatar, like garudas, TP for whispering wind, you have some pet tp building while you're fighting..

(Mindmeld Kris is in my SUB hand and Levante Dagger is in my MAIN hand, this website wont let me switch them to the right spots on here.)

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Also, I'll be making two seperate sets, one for not having an avatar out that fully benefits myself, and another benefiting myself but also my pet (perp cost etc), but this is what im using in the meantime.

And to the other SMN who are figuring out ways to do crazy damage to delve bosses, I'm sure they'll figure something crazy out with dagger.


**Remember don't get too serious here, I know STAFF is better for us period, and then club. But we were given a dagger skill, so why not have fun and put a little use to it??

Shadowstitch > any BP Rage, and then you'll never have to worry about them being too far away! This is probably the ultimate strategy in the game.

Now we're talking.

I'm not sure if we are given Aeolian edge as a SMN, but I have it when I sub DNC! Another great WS!

Not to mention haste samba and steps..

Rune Chopper and /WAR bam you got a few Gaxe procs.

Lol sarcasm much???? Though I did sub DRG one time and used a rune halberd, unfortunately we arent given those skills and there is no ilvl weapons of those kind we could hold.. only staff club and dagger :P

/DRG49 with merits and rune halberd and torque/earring/ring/belt would probably give you up to penta thrust or vorpal thrust lol

For funsies i've tried dagger+club, but prefer club smn.
Black Halo does about 3500-5500 and I close skillchain on fenrir eclipsebite so the frag skillchain will easily add on another 4-6k damage so it nicely kills stuff off with less mp and doesnt overkill the target.

I also keep heavenward+ecliptic howl always up.

If the moon phase is right so heavenward gives endrain, I split tank 2 targets at once with fenrir since he can get enough hp back from meleeing to tank more - most of the time I pull hate and do the tanking so its easy to keep the same avatar out indefinitely.

not ideal sets, just based on what i use.
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my sub choice is /dnc
I mainly use smn in marjami/yorica merit+cp or do wkr , so yeah its totally not for srs stuffs, but its really fun. If you dont have KC or the target is bad for that, substitue OaT tamaxchi for offhand is good too.

They should have gave SMN the dagan ws :( would be amazing for more aggressive play and mp+hp sustain.

And here I was expecting some kind of discussion about Dagger from FF9. Oh well, you get a pic instead.

Eminent Dagger for Mindmeld! Smns should jump on this, especially because SE said they were going to be adding Smn to Rudra's Storm the next update.

....really?

Was expecting the same ; ;

Err no, it's always going to be limited to the jobs that can equip the Empyrean weapon, aka THF, BRD, DNC.

;)

What exactly is the point in this again, other than some dagger procs in Voidwatch no one would care about?

Energy Drain is inferior to Spirit Taker, and is ineffectual against enemies with no MP.

Staff gets a significantly better AoE WS.

DPS is significantly lower than staff/club.

What exactly is there to make use of?

SAM gets sword skill, doesn't mean it should use it.

I thought that was a fun topic?

you thought wrong, it's cereal in here

Super serial?

It could progress to that, yeah.

cereal in fun sheep clothing, for shame.


I use daggers all the time... to open my mail!

Stay frosty gentlemen.

Let me add Myrkr to that list as well, which unlike Spirit taker, only has static values, but if damage is no issue will never "miss". :)

You guys are being too serious now.

I said it's mainly for FUN because this IS a game, but you CAN still use it for other things, not only procing in VW. I know STAFF is the best weapon for SMN, I wouldnt have built a nirvana!

What fun is to be had with weak weapons that are mostly useless?

You can make a case for multi attack weapons being fun, but we aren't making a case of multi attack weapons being fun.

I had no issues soloing mobs in adoulin areas.


Astral Pot is very useful but my question is, does it only work if it's equipped? I thought I read somewhere that it has to be equipped at all times. That wouldn't be good because we need the Seraphicaller in at all times.

Then its definitely good for final bosses

Supposedly it lasts until the avatar is dismissed, one note said it may last upwards of 10minutes but unconfirmed.

Get yourself a Mercurial Pole and make a Store TP + Haste melee set instead. With Hastega II you get 1000 TP in no time at all. So many uses.

• Spirit Taker on mobs with lesser defense

• Myrkr on mobs with higher defense or to remove debuffs

• Shell Crusher debuff

• Shattersoul Debuff

• Easy and Quick Renkei's

I usually get 1000 TP in 2-3 turns. It has proven to be invaluable on a lot of content. For higher end content I keep a wing/carbuncle pole in case for emergencies.