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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-09 16:56:07
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I posted a Bender picture as a joke, and I get some spiritual gobbledygook in response. What the hell did I step in, and how to I get it off?

Once you've stepped in a steaming pile of P&R, your best bet for removal is a simple medical procedure known as a "lobotomy". Results may vary.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-09 17:21:23
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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But if a father/mother is supose to love their breed regarding any defect/problem, why were we punished into the humans realm if our only sin is to be imperfect, incomplete?

Would you throw your son in a jail just because he has sindrom of down, for example? Not, we are supose to love him regardless his problem. But god does not agree with that, and seeing his own son diferent of himself, decided he wasnt worthy to be by his side, throwing us in a land were struggle in ignorance and pain, we pay for other decision, and have no hope to ascend to god realm.

Is there a particular religion that you're referring to that holds such views?

My religion is called "logic".
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-09 17:47:45
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Pantafernando said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Pantafernando said: »
But if a father/mother is supose to love their breed regarding any defect/problem, why were we punished into the humans realm if our only sin is to be imperfect, incomplete?

Would you throw your son in a jail just because he has sindrom of down, for example? Not, we are supose to love him regardless his problem. But god does not agree with that, and seeing his own son diferent of himself, decided he wasnt worthy to be by his side, throwing us in a land were struggle in ignorance and pain, we pay for other decision, and have no hope to ascend to god realm.

Is there a particular religion that you're referring to that holds such views?

My religion is called "logic".

That... didn't answer my question. I was referring to the idea that unworthy humans are punished and sent to Earth because they're imperfect. I was curious to know who actually believes that.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-09 17:48:46
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I'm really an Angel. The Angel of Destruction.

Facebook told me so.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-09 18:05:00
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Pantafernando said: »
But if a father/mother is supose to love their breed regarding any defect/problem, why were we punished into the humans realm if our only sin is to be imperfect, incomplete?

Would you throw your son in a jail just because he has sindrom of down, for example? Not, we are supose to love him regardless his problem. But god does not agree with that, and seeing his own son diferent of himself, decided he wasnt worthy to be by his side, throwing us in a land were struggle in ignorance and pain, we pay for other decision, and have no hope to ascend to god realm.

Is there a particular religion that you're referring to that holds such views?

My religion is called "logic".

That... didn't answer my question. I was referring to the idea that unworthy humans are punished and sent to Earth because they're imperfect. I was curious to know who actually believes that.

Its not a particular believe, just a crude logical thinking about all crap religions throw at us.

Doesnt all religion consider god as a kind of father?

If god is the father, why arent we by his side?

If god is perfect, why are we imperfects?

If god is in "heaven", why are we in "earth"?

Crsitianism in particular, but also any kind of monoteist religion believes in those if. But if those ifs are true, isnt human race a sad being? So why killing and dying for a being that does not gives a *** about you?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-09 18:20:13
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Those are all valid questions, just with a cynical take on them. It's the difference between looking at life as a punishment and looking at life as a unique opportunity for growth and learning. Like everything else in life, perspective makes a huge difference.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2015-01-09 18:39:25
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As far as science providing answers we SHOULD all accept, there are things for which that's already the case and people deny the answers. Because it isn't the answer that they want.

Even as a religious person, that one gets to me. For example, anytime I read something from young earth creationists my eyes just glaze over and a facepalm is never far off.

What they're saying is technically wrong. However,generally speaking there's a point where science and theology are close to each other.
I just think a majority of human beings have a false representation of what they are calling God (can't say "who" because it would have to be born and if it's born it would have to die).
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-09 18:59:34
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200 years ago the idea that we'd be using wireless communication and have access to thousands of years worth of information at our fingertips would have essentially been sorcery. Might as well be shooting lightning bolts out of those fingertips.

It doesn't take faith to construe that technology could be used to cure all manner of ailments or perform 'miracles'. Science and manipulation of the physical fall within rules we unravel with each passing day. Uploading brains and making infinite backups of ourselves is something that could one day be reality. Our ability to scientifically engineer food to feed the exploding population is a miracle onto itself.

The biggest problem with religion is the most pervasive strains have a doomsday cult about themselves and abhor anything that question the authenticity of its claims. Regression to disastrous effect. They actively command the adherent to ignore reality and bend themselves around Bronze Age claims. They also lend themselves to a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-09 19:45:50
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Bahamut.Omael said: »
I posted a Bender picture as a joke, and I get some spiritual gobbledygook in response. What the hell did I step in, and how to I get it off?
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-09 19:50:42
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
200 years ago the idea that we'd be using wireless communication and have access to thousands of years worth of information at our fingertips would have essentially been sorcery. Might as well be shooting lightning bolts out of those fingertips.

It doesn't take faith to construe that technology could be used to cure all manner of ailments or perform 'miracles'. Science and manipulation of the physical fall within rules we unravel with each passing day. Uploading brains and making infinite backups of ourselves is something that could one day be reality. Our ability to scientifically engineer food to feed the exploding population is a miracle onto itself.
So basically you're saying Jesus was a disguised extraterrestrial from a sufficiently advanced species.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-09 21:36:22
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Time traveler who went back in time at a point where he knew he could exploit people. Same goes for other people who influenced other religions, they just weren't as good.

They all went back to their time and concluded that Jesus had won a dozen beers paid by the others.

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By Asura.Vinedrius 2015-01-10 06:41:10
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Pantafernando said: »
Doesnt all religion consider god as a kind of father?

If god is the father, why arent we by his side?

If god is perfect, why are we imperfects?

If god is in "heaven", why are we in "earth"?

If you care about Islamic answers to those questions at all, here you go:

1) No. We don't consider God as a paternal figure. God is free of any physical interpretation, e.g. shape or gender.

2) See above.

3) We are imperfect, because we weren't created to be perfect. We were told to be aware of our imperfection and behave accordingly, as we are in a constant trial until we die.

4) God is everywhere, not just heaven. We can't say where God resides, for God is free of time and space.
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By Ramyrez 2015-01-10 08:09:07
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-01-10 08:53:40
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Science doesn't mean faith, it means to never stop questioning and research.


I think the meaning of science is kinda irrelevant to Ramyrez's POV toward science lol. What I meant was, Ramyrez's POV isn't too different from a "believer", IMO.
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By leo 2015-01-10 09:00:34
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Russians making fun of French special police troops having difficulty to maneuver around the terrain:
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The irony is that a French friend of mine gave me that link.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-10 09:02:27
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ramyrez said: »
As far as science providing answers we SHOULD all accept, there are things for which that's already the case and people deny the answers. Because it isn't the answer that they want.

Even as a religious person, that one gets to me. For example, anytime I read something from young earth creationists my eyes just glaze over and a facepalm is never far off.
How are their religious beliefs any significantly more absurd than anyone else's, without getting into a god of gaps argument?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-10 09:06:46
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leo said: »
Russians making fun of French special police troops having difficulty to maneuver around the terrain:
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The irony is that a French friend of mine gave me that link.
They could have saved their embarrassment on TV if that first group (the 2 guys and a dog) got a piece of rope and tied it to a tree near the top before leaving....
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2015-01-10 09:48:54
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Asura.Vinedrius said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Doesnt all religion consider god as a kind of father?

If god is the father, why arent we by his side?

If god is perfect, why are we imperfects?

If god is in "heaven", why are we in "earth"?

If you care about Islamic answers to those questions at all, here you go:

1) No. We don't consider God as a paternal figure. God is free of any physical interpretation, e.g. shape or gender.

2) See above.

3) We are imperfect, because we weren't created to be perfect. We were told to be aware of our imperfection and behave accordingly, as we are in a constant trial until we die.

4) God is everywhere, not just heaven. We can't say where God resides, for God is free of time and space.

I would have made the same answers and I'm not muslim.
I believe in God, but I don't follow any religion.
Some people may find it weird. Someone even asked me : "how could you believe in God without following a religion?".

About perfection and imperfection, I think I could write a book about why humans are perfect and imperfect at the same time.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-10 09:54:17
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Vinedrius said: »
Pantafernando said: »
Doesnt all religion consider god as a kind of father?

If god is the father, why arent we by his side?

If god is perfect, why are we imperfects?

If god is in "heaven", why are we in "earth"?

If you care about Islamic answers to those questions at all, here you go:

1) No. We don't consider God as a paternal figure. God is free of any physical interpretation, e.g. shape or gender.

2) See above.

3) We are imperfect, because we weren't created to be perfect. We were told to be aware of our imperfection and behave accordingly, as we are in a constant trial until we die.

4) God is everywhere, not just heaven. We can't say where God resides, for God is free of time and space.

I would have made the same answers and I'm not muslim.
I believe in God, but I don't follow any religion.
Some people may find it weird. Someone even asked me : "how could you believe in God without following a religion?".

About perfection and imperfection, I think I could write a book about why humans are perfect and imperfect at the same time.

That's cool, I mean at least you're not being an *** about it. You believe but you choose what to believe. Is that what you're saying or am I getting it mixed up?
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-10 09:56:19
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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Science doesn't mean faith, it means to never stop questioning and research.


I think the meaning of science is kinda irrelevant to Ramyrez's POV toward science lol. What I meant was, Ramyrez's POV isn't too different from a "believer", IMO.
Exactly. "Science of the gaps".
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-10 09:56:45
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There was a phrase long ago when I left organized religion.

"We are only as perfect as our imperfections. If our imperfections are not perfect, we could not be perfect."

This meant, as I perceived it, that there is no perfection except for what we perceive as perfect, in spite of, or because of, something being flawed in a flawless manner.

I'm a spiritualist, and believe in *something*, and have taken to adhering to certain beliefs that are beneficial from many various faiths.

Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, etc.

It was the organized religions that I had lost faith in, and sincerely doubt I could ever have faith in them again, even if I chose to create a new religion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-10 10:27:49
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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Science doesn't mean faith, it means to never stop questioning and research.


I think the meaning of science is kinda irrelevant to Ramyrez's POV toward science lol. What I meant was, Ramyrez's POV isn't too different from a "believer", IMO.
Exactly. "Science of the gaps".
I read that as "Science of the gasps" lol.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-10 10:28:06
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that would mean I am also an extension of God.

BEHOLD! I am one of God's chosen ones!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-10 10:29:09
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The Chinese are God's chosen people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-10 10:33:39
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The Chinese Aztec are God's chosen people.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2015-01-10 10:43:54
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Bloodrose said: »
There was a phrase long ago when I left organized religion.

"We are only as perfect as our imperfections. If our imperfections are not perfect, we could not be perfect."

This meant, as I perceived it, that there is no perfection except for what we perceive as perfect, in spite of, or because of, something being flawed in a flawless manner.

I'm a spiritualist, and believe in *something*, and have taken to adhering to certain beliefs that are beneficial from many various faiths.

Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, etc.

It was the organized religions that I had lost faith in, and sincerely doubt I could ever have faith in them again, even if I chose to create a new religion.
I'm glad someone is like me... I believe there is a higher power out there somewhere, just not any one particular God.

I also believe highly in Karma. Most people think that's silly, but hey, some believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
 
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-10 11:10:37
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In believe in life.

And life wasnt given to us by god. It was given to us our parents. And our only purpose is to live a life of knowledge and harmony with our kind.

Thats why it i cannot help but to feel angry when people around the world are deprived of their more basic rights without any purpose but someones will.

Socialists than repress people by violence and censorship (cobtrolling press and knowledge). Islamic countris ruled by those fundamentalist that deprives even girls of their right to learn, to expose their face. Drug dealers in poor comunities here in brasil, that are repressed by violence and fear.

All those lives oportunities are taken with no reason. Religion, theories, organizations fail to justify any real reason to people.

Are we forced to have trials through all our life? Why just "us" are subject in trials, while those ruling have the right to live well, traveling to disney (north korea) or with their personal harem of virgins?

Where are justice, that any religion fails to foresee?
 
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