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French Intelligence Officer Defects to Al Qaida
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-10-06 10:23:18
Quote: Billions didn't exist in 1793.
Quote: In all, the French spent about 1.3 billion livres (in modern currency, approximately thirteen billion U.S. dollars) to support the Americans directly, not including the money it spent fighting Britain on land and sea outside the U.S. The U.S. gained much territory at the 1783 Treaty of Paris, but France – after losing some naval battles – fared poorly there. It did get its revenge and made a new ally and trading partner. However the high debt France accumulated was a major cause of the French Revolution in 1789.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 10:25:16
Don't forget about Spains contributions to glorious 'Muricas ascension to world power!
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By Cerberus.Reiden 2014-10-06 10:30:03
In college depending on your major, you will do american history first and then the modern world or the reverse of this.
By volkom 2014-10-06 10:41:39
Quote: Billions didn't exist in 1793.
Quote: In all, the French spent about 1.3 billion livres (in modern currency, approximately thirteen billion U.S. dollars) to support the Americans directly, not including the money it spent fighting Britain on land and sea outside the U.S. The U.S. gained much territory at the 1783 Treaty of Paris, but France – after losing some naval battles – fared poorly there. It did get its revenge and made a new ally and trading partner. However the high debt France accumulated was a major cause of the French Revolution in 1789.
does that take into account for inflation and rising prices of gold and silver?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-10-06 10:44:08
Since we derailed:
We didn't "win" the revolutionary war. England simply lost interest in maintaining a colony when it was fighting another war in Europe. We did win some battles. Mainly due to guerilla tactics we picked up from the French-Indian wars.
In 1812 we were sent the message that we did not win Independence but were given it.
On the topic of Europe and France a one Cardinal Richelieu is one of the greatest political masterminds of the last millennium.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 10:49:27
We didn't "win" the revolutionary war. England simply lost interest in maintaining a colony when it was fighting another war in Europe. We did win some battles. Mainly due to guerilla tactics we picked up from the French-Indian wars.
In 1812 we were sent the message that we did not win Independence but were given it. Sounds like a cop-out to me.
"Hi guys, you know that little war we waged a while back where you kicked us off your land? Well, you didn't win and we didn't lose, but we, in our great magnanimous glory, decided to give you your land and freedom because we are great guys and had nothing to do with you driving us out of your land due to lack of resources and an additional war going on at the time.
Your best friend forever,
Britain
P.S. Call us up if you ever need to be reconquered again, k?
XOXOXO"
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By volkom 2014-10-06 10:50:00
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 10:52:50
That's revisionist history you are talking about there!
In some people's minds, we didn't win, but in fact, lost!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 10:53:48
Everyone forgets about the Netherlands. Poor Netherlands. They're not just clogs, tulips and windmills you know. :(
By volkom 2014-10-06 10:55:03
That's revisionist history you are talking about there!
In some people's minds, we didn't win, but in fact, lost! I don't see any british flags flying over our government buildings
By volkom 2014-10-06 10:55:43
Everyone forgets about the Netherlands. Poor Netherlands. They're not just clogs, tulips and windmills you know. :( don't forget dikes
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 11:04:53
That's revisionist history you are talking about there!
In some people's minds, we didn't win, but in fact, lost!
Says the guy that just learned the French aided us in the Revolution. Right.
We didn't win by solely military prowess but by a series of geopolitical squabbles, sentiments back home in Britain and holding out until the crown said "go ahead and take your shitty colonies, we'll just take over the rest of the globe anyway." Washington and the Continental Army played a defensive war and pulled political strings to win independence.
Britain went into the revolution thinking that all it needed to do was round up some belligerents and the populace would fall back into favor with the crown. Horrifying prison ships aside, the Brits weren't really about that take the colonies back by force life. Washington and co. played a defensive war, narrowly escaped getting owned early on in New York and turned around a series victories that changed how the 'war' was viewed.
Admittingly, I'm not as versed in the Southern campaign but most of the major battles were up North. In the Caribbean, the major European powers were playing Battleship and island swapping which goes back to that political chess vs. the British empire.
By volkom 2014-10-06 11:06:39
but a win is a win
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 13:13:26
I don't remember De Gaule's speech exactly, I wonder if he said "une victoire c'est une victoire, ma pauvre Lucette".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 13:18:36
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I don't remember De Gaule's speech exactly, I wonder if he said "une victoire c'est une victoire, ma pauvre Lucette". Which surrender speech is that?
<~ Doesn't speak surrender French.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-10-06 13:26:54
Nor do you know history. Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812 in particular.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 13:43:58
Nor do you know history. Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812 in particular. But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. Really?
By volkom 2014-10-06 13:50:16
i like this yahoo answers answer
Quote: True or false the French military has never won a war on there own? Quote: The following is Frances war record.
- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at this time in history, a Roman -ed.]
- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.
- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
- The Dutch War
- Tied
- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu
- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 13:58:37
Nor do you know history. Napoleonic Wars and the War of 1812 in particular. But you got to admit, the French (other than Napoleon) lost nearly all of their battles they were a part of. Really?We went 1-1 with the Roman Empire.
Charlemagne had his fair share of booty blasting, too.
By maldini 2014-10-06 14:41:52
France held Vietnam for 100 years, and America lost it in 11.
ouch.
Militarily speaking, Historically America isn't even in the same league as France.
US would need another 1,000 years as a relevant power to even be mentioned as more than a footnote.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 14:55:32
Are we trying to catch KN up to speed with what was going on in Europe? If I remember correctly:
While the US was doing this...
And the UK was doing this...
The UK riled up the Hessians, and they were like...
The French, Dutch and Spanish were ready to yank some chains...
The Prussians were like...
But they were wrapped up in a scuffle with Austria-Hungary who were like...
...over Bavaria.
Then Napoleon showed up and brought the fun...

By volkom 2014-10-06 15:14:47
Iono why~ but this scene always come up in my head when X is being compared to france
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By volkom 2014-10-06 15:23:35
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 15:24:54
Are we trying to catch KN up to speed with what was going on in Europe? If I remember correctly:
Tomorrow in remedial history class we'll cover the War of 1812.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 16:11:37
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Are we trying to catch KN up to speed with what was going on in Europe? If I remember correctly:
Tomorrow in remedial history class we'll cover the War of 1812.
Can we add the Swedish-Anglo War too?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 16:14:05
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Are we trying to catch KN up to speed with what was going on in Europe? If I remember correctly:
Tomorrow in remedial history class we'll cover the War of 1812.
Can we add the Swedish-Anglo War too? Since we are taking requests, I'll want to brush up on my Texas Revolutionary War too.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-06 16:22:47
No matter how many wins your countries got, y'all lose compared with the mongols!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 16:37:38
No matter how many wins your countries got, y'all lose compared with the mongols!
 Or to your classic Dynasty Warriors player on a Sunday.
Can't believe I missed this contest.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-06 16:40:46
I bet they all had to use the same character, and it wasn't Lu Bu. Contest invalid.
Quote: IRBIL, Iraq — A former French intelligence officer who defected to al Qaida was among the targets of the first wave of U.S. air strikes in Syria last month, according to people familiar with the defector’s movements and identity.
Two European intelligence officials described the former French officer as the highest ranking defector ever to go over to the terrorist group and called his defection one of the most dangerous developments in the West’s long confrontation with al Qaida.
The identity of the officer is a closely guarded secret. Two people, independently of one another, provided the same name, which McClatchy is withholding pending further confirmation. All of the sources agreed that a former French officer was one of the people targeted when the United States struck eight locations occupied by the Nusra Front, al Qaida’s Syrian affiliate. The former officer apparently survived the assault, which included strikes by 47 cruise missiles.
U.S. officials have acknowledged that the assault on the Nusra Front locations, which came as the Americans and coalition partners also struck Islamic State positions elsewhere, was aimed at members of what the Obama administration has dubbed the Khorasan group, a unit of top-level terror operatives who had been dispatched to Syria to plot attacks on the West.
The only member of that unit U.S. officials have identified is Muhsin al Fahdli, a 33-year-old one-time confidant of al Qaida founder Osama bin Laden. The United States offered a $7 million reward in October 2012 for information leading to Fahdli’s death or capture. Twitter accounts associated with jihadi sympathizers have said Fahdli was killed, but U.S. officials have said that information remains unconfirmed.
The former French officer may have been a more important target. Syrian rebels battling to topple President Bashar Assad said that U.S. officials had told them before the strikes that they were closely monitoring the defector’s movements.
European intelligence officials said the former officer had defected from either French military intelligence or from France’s foreign intelligence agency, the General Directorate for External Security, known by its French-language acronym as the DGSE.
The former officer, according to one rebel source, is an explosives expert who fought in Afghanistan and in Syria with al Qaida and had assembled a group of about five men that was operating out of a mosque in Idlib.
The French operative is “still alive and kicking” after the airstrikes, said one European intelligence official, who described the man as “highly trained in Western intelligence trade-craft and explosives.” The combination of Western-style intelligence training and devout jihadist beliefs made him among the most dangerous of al Qaida operatives, the intelligence official said.
It was unknown whether the former officer’s al Qaida sympathies were missed during the French vetting process or manifested themselves later.
Four European intelligence agents from a variety of countries with a range of knowledge of the situation were able to confirm or partially confirm the French agent’s existence. All declined to speak for attribution because of the sensitive nature of the information and because they feared being charged criminally in their home countries for revealing classified information. One called the existence of the French officer “absolutely top secret.”
“I’m rather appalled I’m even having this conversation,” he said.
“We don’t know if he was sleeper [agent] or radicalized after he joined the service,” said another European intelligence official familiar with the man’s background. “I assume my French colleagues are working hard to determine that and if they have figured it out, they certainly aren’t sharing how they ended up in this mess, which as you could expect they find rather embarrassing.”
Two European intelligence sources provided the man’s name but asked that it not be published – one cited possible violence in France against the man’s family. Both independently provided the same name.
When reached for comment on the situation, a U.S. intelligence official refused to provide any information.
Three attempts to discuss the matter with French intelligence services were rebuffed. “There is no way I am going to discuss this matter” was one response.
An intelligence official from a third country, who said that his familiarity with the situation stemmed only from casual conversation and not from an official briefing, said the situation represents an “epic nightmare that we have so far been spared.”
“We’ve seen Arab partners lose well trained people to these groups, and in a handful of cases those defectors have benefited from our training through partnership programs,” he said. “It’s the cost of doing business when you aid some of our regional allies.”
But the French officer’s defection, he said, is the first he’d heard of by “someone with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training.”
“As embarrassed as the French must be right now, it should be pointed out that the French services are highly regarded within the intelligence community as consummate and loyal professionals,” he said. “This failure, and I do believe this happened, must be seen in the context as an outlier and not anything systematic about the French services.”
One European official directly familiar with the case said the partial confusion over the man’s resume – which has been alternately described as French Special Forces, military intelligence or DGSE – probably stems from the overlapping “seconding” process where specialists move between branches of the government on a fairly regular basis.
“It sounds likely he started as French military and maybe because of an Arabic family background and appearance, language skills and a high degree of competency, he would then be loaned out to different aspects of the French services,” the European official said. “Everyone does that all the time,” he said, citing as an example a member of the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command being assigned to the CIA.
For their part, Syrian rebels, who are already furious at the United States for not notifying them in advance about the strikes and for not including Assad government facilities among the targets, expressed puzzlement at why the U.S. government hadn’t approached them about trying to seize the man.
But a European intelligence official said the decision to try to strike the defector with a missile rather than capture him was in part to keep the French agent’s existence a secret. “Perhaps some problems are best buried forever under a pile of rubble,” he said.
Quote: Agent is said to be highest ranking official to have joined organization
Quote: He is the first known person “with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training”
Quote: he is a former explosives expert with an Arab family and his movements are being closely watched by Western authorities.
Full story
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/05/242218_sources-us-air-strikes-in-syria.html?sp=/99/117/&rh=1#storylink=cpy
A high ranking intelligence agent defecting to a rogue paramilitary group? Maybe he's a triple agent?

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