Sigurd's Descendants: The Art Of Dragon Slaying.

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 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2018-07-05 19:48:46
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Carbuncle.Stiltz said: »
The Empyrean set never affected "attack", it simply had a chance for swings to deal double damage at 100% Wyvern HP.
No ***, that's why I brought it up.
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By Bismarck.Darcain 2018-07-11 00:28:54
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Valefor.Ophannus said: »
The +1 wyvern level might be pretty good if you only need it on once when you use Call Wyvern. If it needs to remain on to be in effect, then it's going to suck. I'd imagine it would at least be +70 to all Wyvern stats across the board or something. Likely it will also be BiS for breath damage and healing breath as well, considering breath potency has a cap that's easily reached these days.

Edited: I was able to get my hands on the nq Dragoon’s Collar to do some testing. Testing was done with an ilvl 119 wyvern and mastered Dragoon. I tested before and after Spirit Link, with other wyvern enhancing gear, and in Escha zones. I found that it gives the wyvern +37 Acc, 12 hp, +49 defense, and 26 eva in all situations it was tested in. However, attack seemed to change based on a % increase. Attack ranged from +29-40 depending on testing conditions, spirit link, other gear, buffs, etc.
As someone else mentioned it is likely due to Smite job trait, and Escha vorseals being % based.

The conditions do not last if you remove the neck, so it does not work for Call Wyvern.

There was no increase in Smiting Breath damage. However, it may affect macc. But Adad Amulet already gives +20 macc. It was not tested for a Healing Breath set because there’s already a neck with +50 hp.


If anyone has something to add please do. If someone would like to add any of this to BGwiki that would be helpful.
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By Sylph.Cherche 2018-07-11 03:48:25
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Well, that's 5-6 more HP than I expected.
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By Bismarck.Darcain 2018-07-11 09:06:06
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Same, based on the progression from 115-119.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2018-07-11 09:30:23
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The conditions do not last if you remove the neck, so it does not work for Call Wyvern.

This means this neck is useless basically?
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2018-07-11 14:38:21
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Bismarck.Darcain said: »
Valefor.Ophannus said: »
The +1 wyvern level might be pretty good if you only need it on once when you use Call Wyvern. If it needs to remain on to be in effect, then it's going to suck. I'd imagine it would at least be +70 to all Wyvern stats across the board or something. Likely it will also be BiS for breath damage and healing breath as well, considering breath potency has a cap that's easily reached these days.

I was able to get my hands on the nq Dragoon’s Collar to do some testing. Testing was done with an ilvl 119 wyvern and mastered Dragoon. I tested before and after Spirit Link, with other wyvern enhancing gear, and in Escha zones. I found that it gives the wyvern +37 Acc, 12 hp, and 26 eva in all situations it was tested in. However, attack and defense seem to change based on a % increase or something different. Attack ranged from +29-40 depending on testing conditions, spirit link, other gear, buffs, etc. and defense was +49-54.

The conditions do not last if you remove the neck, so it does not work for Call Wyvern.

There was no increase in Smiting Breath damage. However, it may affect macc. But Adad Amulet already gives +20 macc. It was not tested for a Healing Breath set because there’s already a neck with +50 hp.

If anyone has something to add please do. If someone would like to add any of this to BGwiki that would be helpful.

Were there any changes to master att/def/haste when you had it on?
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By Bismarck.Darcain 2018-07-11 14:47:20
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Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »

Were there any changes to master att/def/haste when you had it on?

That's odd. I'm getting +20 attack even though the nq has att +15. I am only getting 15 acc tho. Defense is the same. I haven't tested haste.

Edit: Even in town with no pet out or Spirit Link boost I get +17 att. So it doesn't seem to be a fixed value.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-07-11 15:33:52
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Were you taking Smite and Escha vorseals into account?
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By Bismarck.Darcain 2018-07-11 16:52:37
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I didn't realize they were % based so that must by why I'm getting higher numbers than expected
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By Ruaumoko 2018-07-13 20:00:26
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I was hoping that the Dragoon Collar would affect the Attack/Defense/Double Attack and Haste bonus the Dragoon gets from the Wyvern but, unless the collar is bugged it's clearly not doing that.

Test done using Attack and Defense values as a measure.

No Wyvern and no Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1390
Defense: 1253

No Wyvern and Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1385
Defense: 1243

Wyvern Lv.5 and Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1679
Defense: 1538

Wyvern Lv.5 and no Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1685
Defense: 1550

Conclusion: either the Dragoon Collar is bugged and that's why its not affecting the Dragoon or it's just trash.
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By Asura.Geriond 2018-07-13 21:01:17
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It's working as intended; SE stated around the time of the update that the collar just gives a small number of fixed stats to the wyvern, similar to the Avatar level +2 stat on Nirvana.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2018-07-14 08:07:34
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Asura.Geriond said: »
It's working as intended; SE stated around the time of the update that the collar just gives a small number of fixed stats to the wyvern, similar to the Avatar level +2 stat on Nirvana.

so then it's just trash
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2018-07-14 08:08:33
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Ruaumoko said: »
I was hoping that the Dragoon Collar would affect the Attack/Defense/Double Attack and Haste bonus the Dragoon gets from the Wyvern but, unless the collar is bugged it's clearly not doing that.

Test done using Attack and Defense values as a measure.

No Wyvern and no Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1390
Defense: 1253

No Wyvern and Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1385
Defense: 1243

Wyvern Lv.5 and Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1679
Defense: 1538

Wyvern Lv.5 and no Dragoon Collar
Attack: 1685
Defense: 1550

Conclusion: either the Dragoon Collar is bugged and that's why its not affecting the Dragoon or it's just trash.

what was your baseline collar?
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By Leviathan.Sidra 2018-07-14 09:26:59
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Well that is pretty useless. "Hey, let's make the Wyvern that does 30 dps do 32 dps." Was really hoping it would make Spirit Link'd level go to +6.

Edit: any chance you need to Spirit Link twice? Since one only gets +5, maybe it requires another to get the other level? Long-shot, but worth a try.
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By Valefor.Ophannus 2018-07-16 10:09:10
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Why would you be under the impression that the Dragoon Collar would affect the player, when it clearly says Wyvern Level +1. This is analogous to Divinator or Seraphicaller. Check your pet parameters. It probably gives a decent boost to their stats. Sucks it doesn't last after changing like Wyrm armor does for subjob traits. Really makes it a worthless piece.
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By Leviathan.Sidra 2018-07-16 18:33:34
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The hope was that instead of just being +1 level, the actual level it was referring to was the Wyvern Level gained from Spirit Link/Empathy which then impacts the Dragoon's stats.

It doesn't appear be the the case, but that was the thought process.
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