Cerberus.Halticus said: »
If i spammed Jponry in /yell in your jeuno, chances are you would GM me. Expect to get flamed
Chances are 100% I wouldn't bother, because I don't freak out over every little thing that someone types somewhere.
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Cerberus.Halticus said: » If i spammed Jponry in /yell in your jeuno, chances are you would GM me. Expect to get flamed Chances are 100% I wouldn't bother, because I don't freak out over every little thing that someone types somewhere. Armor has always been situational that is nothing new. If you are just upgrading AF to 119 you are extremely late to the party. So don't base the timed usefulness of a piece of gear on when you upgraded it months after it had been released.
Cerberus.Halticus said: » Leviathan.Xsoahc said: » Quetzalcoatl.Windowpane said: » How is it if you have no character anymore? If I started from scratch? How is the grind and stuff? It almost intrigues me to give it a go, just to play in the barren wasteland that I once loved. I have tried Star Wars, ESO, FFXIV (about to give this a second chance) and none of these have done it for me. Already got to rank 3, some op warps as I pass the areas, etc. It's very fun imo. Gotta admit though, Zeid is really good with the stuns.
There's been a couple of times for me where he has Stunned followed by an Absorb-TP. Love when that happens.
I just wish this stupid Quadav Stew was easier to steal.
It's dead to me as I no longer play.
Ragnarok.Afania said: » Asura.Dakenx said: » too big to quote but @ Afania. What job are you storing Relic 119 for? Most relic 119s are useful for the augments on them if nothing else. Just interested in what job had absolutely no situational use for its relic 119s? I see on your profile you have Death Penalty. I would assume you don't mean you stored your useful relic 119 COR armor. I said reforge 119, so it can mean AF but not relic. So far I only use AF119 body actively. I really, really, rarely need to use head/hands/feet when I need macc. It's so rare that I don't think it's worth 3M and all the paper grind. Originally I made head/feet for /ra but then Umbani/vanir replaced it. I can't really think of much reason to use legs unless I'm doing WF enmity- set too, which is completely unnecessary. Bayld gear replaced it too. Leviathan.Draylo said: » 3m is nothing man and pretty much all of the Reforged Relic is still useful. The AF reforged is still useful too for most jobs depending on which set you need it for. It's only nothing if the gear is good, it's something if you just toss it in the garbage can. If you really think 3M is nothing just toss 3Mx4 = 12M yourself see how you feel! Not everyone like to waste time/gil like that. Asura.Dakenx said: » too big to quote but @ Afania. What job are you storing Relic 119 for? Most relic 119s are useful for the augments on them if nothing else. Just interested in what job had absolutely no situational use for its relic 119s? I see on your profile you have Death Penalty. I would assume you don't mean you stored your useful relic 119 COR armor. The point is that, originally when I grind certain gear I grind it for other use, not "situational use". And honestly what's so unreasonable to expect the highest tier raid gear last a bit longer than 1~3 months? Tbh, I've returned to the game recently and I can 100% say I'm back in love with it. It might not be as strategical as before but I find its more relaxed. Your able to lowman most content which means you don't have to be waiting for a whole alliance to log in, but at the same time, there are still times where you can do things with an alliance such as DMII (D) or (VD).
I run with a small group on asura (gmt), and I'm really enjoy logging in to play (^-^) ..But whatever's your cup of tea love. Aikawa said: » Ragnarok.Afania said: » Asura.Dakenx said: » too big to quote but @ Afania. What job are you storing Relic 119 for? Most relic 119s are useful for the augments on them if nothing else. Just interested in what job had absolutely no situational use for its relic 119s? I see on your profile you have Death Penalty. I would assume you don't mean you stored your useful relic 119 COR armor. I said reforge 119, so it can mean AF but not relic. So far I only use AF119 body actively. I really, really, rarely need to use head/hands/feet when I need macc. It's so rare that I don't think it's worth 3M and all the paper grind. Originally I made head/feet for /ra but then Umbani/vanir replaced it. I can't really think of much reason to use legs unless I'm doing WF enmity- set too, which is completely unnecessary. Bayld gear replaced it too. Leviathan.Draylo said: » 3m is nothing man and pretty much all of the Reforged Relic is still useful. The AF reforged is still useful too for most jobs depending on which set you need it for. It's only nothing if the gear is good, it's something if you just toss it in the garbage can. If you really think 3M is nothing just toss 3Mx4 = 12M yourself see how you feel! Not everyone like to waste time/gil like that. Asura.Dakenx said: » too big to quote but @ Afania. What job are you storing Relic 119 for? Most relic 119s are useful for the augments on them if nothing else. Just interested in what job had absolutely no situational use for its relic 119s? I see on your profile you have Death Penalty. I would assume you don't mean you stored your useful relic 119 COR armor. The point is that, originally when I grind certain gear I grind it for other use, not "situational use". And honestly what's so unreasonable to expect the highest tier raid gear last a bit longer than 1~3 months? DP is the same lv of usefulness as terp and liberator, 119 AF is the same lv of usefulness as lv 60 AF, okay? What
Valefor.Prothescar said: » What Didn't ppl grind terp and liberator to DD better? You don't DD better with 119 AF, lol. I doubt it. And your statement is entirely subjective, just because your job doesnt have incredible reforged af/relic in every/most slot(s) doesnt make it the case for the rest of them
SAM, BST, BLU, RUN, and WHM all have exceptional reforged AF and relic sets, and that's only counting jobs that I play. Valefor.Prothescar said: » I doubt it. And your statement is entirely subjective, just because your job doesnt have incredible reforged af/relic in every/most slot(s) doesnt make it the case for the rest of them It's not subjective if the gear exist in this game fits the criteria. I only said I ended up having to store gear in 1~3 months after SoA:this also include delve1 gear---> skirmish in august 2013 and SoA entry gears----> delve1 gears in June 2013. So it's not a 1 job AF out of 22 job only thing. are you tyring to say that no jobs use any skirmish or delve1 gear anymore? because that's not true either. there's pieces of gear from every stage of SoA that are still applicable.
let's also just ignore the fact that you're forgetting the difference in time and effort expended to get gear these days compared to back when gear lasted months and years at a time. can solo a full set of reforged relic and AF within a week, good luck doing that with e.body or something similar back at 75. Valefor.Prothescar said: » are you tyring to say that no jobs use any skirmish or delve1 gear anymore? because that's not true either I'm not sure exactly which piece of skirmish1 and delve1 is still useful for certain job, but even if it did, it's probably not every single R15 augment either. So in order to make certain piece useful again not just that the owner of that piece must lv certain job he/she may not have, but also redo the augment. Saying that's "useful" is just as subjective as saying it's not useful! Valefor.Prothescar said: » let's also just ignore the fact that you're forgetting the difference in time and effort expended to get gear these days compared to back when gear lasted months and years at a time. can solo a full set of reforged relic and AF within a week, good luck doing that with e.body or something similar back at 75. I didn't forget this fact at all, I just pointed out how it's different from the old FFXI, which was my original statment. so you demand that every single stat on every variation of every piece of armor be usable for every job for it to be relevant?
not sure what to say other than lol "this piece of armor isn't useful for me and my limited scope, it's worthless to everyone!" Valefor.Prothescar said: » so you demand that every single stat on every variation of every piece of armor be usable for every job for it to be relevant? not sure what to say other than lol Because my original opinion was "not to waste gil on something that only last 1~3 months", going for an R15 augment then having to redo it fits the criteria. Either way my point still stands, in current FFXI you do toss gear in 1~3 months no matter how you justify it. I didn't say jack ***about "worthless to everyone". Don't try to twist other's word. I only said "waste gil and time after 1~3 months" without adding the word "everyone". except you don't, but if you want to try to rewrite how the current metagame works to fit your argument go ahead. just don't expect anyone to take you seriously
I've got another English lesson for you: telling people that you're going to toss the gear in 1~3 months and that you shouldn't spend any money on it as a result, with no further information, effectively defaults to a blanket statement targeting everyone. Valefor.Prothescar said: » except you don't, but if you want to try to rewrite how the current metagame works to fit your argument go ahead. just don't expect anyone to take you seriously I didn't "rewrite" it though, I just gave you the example of reforge AF. Augment counts too. No. FFXI is not dead.
Valefor.Prothescar said: » except you don't, but if you want to try to rewrite how the current metagame works to fit your argument go ahead. just don't expect anyone to take you seriously I've got another English lesson for you: telling people that you're going to toss the gear in 1~3 months and that you shouldn't spend any money on it as a result, with no further information, effectively defaults to a blanket statement targeting everyone. There's no way you can make a statement about "tossing gear" that applies on everyone. Because you can then further argue that "lower ILV gear is good for ppl who can't obtain higher ILV gears". Also, you can't demand someone to actually list every gear that only live for 1~3 months because it's obvious that not every gear(suppa/brutal for example) fits the criteria. So still nothing to back up your 1~3 month thing huh? Didn't think so. Anyway, I'm done talking to you. I've had more reasonable conversations with brick walls.
Just realized I agreed with Draylo on something, that doesn't happen often. Guess anything is possible! Valefor.Prothescar said: » So still nothing to back up your 1~3 month thing huh? Didn't think so. Anyway, I'm done talking to you. I did, but you choose to ignore it cuz it doesn't fit your own criteria since AF for 1 job doesn't count, augment doesn't count. This conversation is not "reasonable conversation" to begin with. Afania just derped harder than DerpDerpington here.
Tsurumaru has been wicked since it's release. That's well over a year. Nahtirah hat/trousers, also since release. I could list tons more. Not to mention that part of the game is about gear progression, and not everything is meant to stay relevant. Nothing about what prothescar said was subjective. The value of said gear that applies to each person is subjective, as to how often they use it, and for what purposes. Simply because "you" would toss or end up tossing it out after 1-3 months is completely blanketing the whole playerbase, simply because of "your" actions, and thought process. Reforged AF and Relic 119, in many regards, if you actually know how to play/merit your job, is not going to be beaten very easily, as they still have applicable uses. As long as they have that applicable use, the value is well worth it. Skirmish gear, NQ or HQ, still has a lot of uses, without the need to completely re-augment them. They make excellent PDT pieces, MDT pieces, Snapshot, DA in slots that otherwise wouldn't have them, and are incredibly easy to farm, and farm stones for. There are other augments on them that still make them top macro pieces. The forums ain't a proper indication because there are too many who come here after they left the game when it was a bad state.
I will be honest, if you asked me this question last year, I would have said yes, it wasn't worth coming back. I am an EU player and have been playing since 2004, and the EU community has dwindled so much to the point it almost doesn't exist. But you know, that's fine. I play with my dad Quilly on a regular basis at night into the early morning, so we play in EST time instead. We make lots of American friends, and bring them into our social linkshell so we can do things together. Quilly works til late, so during that time I will be farming solo. I have a wide choice of what to do solo. I could go do dynamis, I could do Salvage (ARII), I could work on my RoE objectives (which brought an incredible amount of life back to the game imo), I could work on an Empyrean Weapon, I could get merits so I can do high tier battlefields later in EST time. There is so much more to do nowadays. Just getting your AF or Relic Reforged armour is something that will keep you going for a while, especially if you have many different jobs to gear for. RoE objectives are just great, are you a completionist? If you are given a list of things to do, would you have that mindset to try and get every single thing on that list complete? If that is the case, come back and get it done, RoE quests will get you doing things and going places you havn't done/seen in many years, it brings back that feel of nostalgia for sure. Then you got Trust, which has been a lifesaver. No longer do you have to worry about going out there into the world and solo, because you don't need to be stupidly geared/prepared/skilled to go out there and kill mobs. You bring out your NPCs and just go for it. If that's not enough for you, you can delve into delve, which even with a six man party can be challenging for returning players. It takes coordination and for players to be decently geared. You may find yourself levelling new jobs to get into delve so you can clear the zones and get some of the gear. You have other Adoulin things to do like Wildskeepers, missions, quests, coalition assignments, and you could even try out one of the new jobs Geomancer and Rune Fencer, who are getting updates on a monthly basis it seems. The numbers on the servers don't matter as much anymore, because SE made the game a lot more "low-man" friendly, you rarely need an 18 man alliance for anything anymore, not unless you really want too, and even then, you will still be able to fill an 18 man alliance if you know enough people who want to do it. Ignore the arguments, this is from a player who almost quit the game a year ago due to how stale Adoulin had made it. SE have turned it around since then and got me back into the game. Come back and enjoy everything SE has done over the past year, they have been simply amazing. There are still one or two things that bug me, but it's ok, I am just happy they gave FFXI a fresh dose of awesome. See you on Cerb soon. If you need a social linkshell to get back into the game, /tell myself or Quilly and we will arrange it for you. Peace. Cerberus.Kylos said: » The forums ain't a proper indication because there are too many who come here after they left the game when it was a bad state. I will be honest, if you asked me this question last year, I would have said yes, it wasn't worth coming back. I am an EU player and have been playing since 2004, and the EU community has dwindled so much to the point it almost doesn't exist. But you know, that's fine. I play with my dad Quilly on a regular basis at night into the early morning, so we play in EST time instead. We make lots of American friends, and bring them into our social linkshell so we can do things together. Quilly works til late, so during that time I will be farming solo. I have a wide choice of what to do solo. I could go do dynamis, I could do Salvage (ARII), I could work on my RoE objectives (which brought an incredible amount of life back to the game imo), I could work on an Empyrean Weapon, I could get merits so I can do high tier battlefields later in EST time. There is so much more to do nowadays. Just getting your AF or Relic Reforged armour is something that will keep you going for a while, especially if you have many different jobs to gear for. RoE objectives are just great, are you a completionist? If you are given a list of things to do, would you have that mindset to try and get every single thing on that list complete? If that is the case, come back and get it done, RoE quests will get you doing things and going places you havn't done/seen in many years, it brings back that feel of nostalgia for sure. Then you got Trust, which has been a lifesaver. No longer do you have to worry about going out there into the world and solo, because you don't need to be stupidly geared/prepared/skilled to go out there and kill mobs. You bring out your NPCs and just go for it. If that's not enough for you, you can delve into delve, which even with a six man party can be challenging for returning players. It takes coordination and for players to be decently geared. You may find yourself levelling new jobs to get into delve so you can clear the zones and get some of the gear. You have other Adoulin things to do like Wildskeepers, missions, quests, coalition assignments, and you could even try out one of the new jobs Geomancer and Rune Fencer, who are getting updates on a monthly basis it seems. The numbers on the servers don't matter as much anymore, because SE made the game a lot more "low-man" friendly, you rarely need an 18 man alliance for anything anymore, not unless you really want too, and even then, you will still be able to fill an 18 man alliance if you know enough people who want to do it. Ignore the arguments, this is from a player who almost quit the game a year ago due to how stale Adoulin had made it. SE have turned it around since then and got me back into the game. Come back and enjoy everything SE has done over the past year, they have been simply amazing. There are still one or two things that bug me, but it's ok, I am just happy they gave FFXI a fresh dose of awesome. See you on Cerb soon. If you need a social linkshell to get back into the game, /tell myself or Quilly and we will arrange it for you. Peace. I still remember your thread, glad you enjoy it now ;) I did tell you Draylo, I was annoyed at the game and they needed to do something about it. They did do something about it and I can be proud to say I enjoy it again. Anyone else who used to play and want to return should return, because the game is like a new game again, and it's all gravy.
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