Guns, Girls, And WoW

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/25/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Another shooting rampage the media will blame on guns and violent video games. Discuss.

140 page note about girls WoW etc. Too long to post here.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

Too incomprehensible as well.

What a self involved ***. 140 pages of "The world did me wrong!"

I'm pretty sure it's exactly this kind of neurotic insecurity that motivated several European countries to publish pamphlets telling teenagers that it's good and healthy to have sex and masturbate.

On the other hand, this guy seems to have been completely 'round the bend and even if that entire sorority had been tickling his balls nightly, he'd likely still find a way to feel persecuted about it.

It sounds like his family and the authorities did what was reasonable. It's depressing that it wasn't enough. My condolences and sympathies to the victims and their families.

Yea I tried to read a lot of it but he just keeps repeating the same thing over and over.

Yup.


Yeah, people don't understand that the right to life is trumped...

Just think if he would have played FFXI he wouldn't have killed anyone.

I'm fairly certain there's many members of the community that would have liked to slaughter certain members of the dev team.

From city layouts, to annoying quests, to HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE long battles that had to clear way to win.

edit: I really just think we're all a bit masochistic in that regard.

Actually if you want to read something incomprehensible read the CNN comments that follow the story.

It was really disgusting to see a victim of the shooting blame the NRA...he turned his son's death into a political issue.

If this is what I think it is, yeah I heard them briefly on the news going on about how the NRA has to be stopped.

I'm not against the right to own guns but it does seem far too easy to get one

You do realize he stabbed 3 people before he started shooting ?

He was going to kill people no matter what.

Also CA has the strictest gun laws in the US.

Sure, but he also had 400 rounds of ammunition and several guns. Pretty sure it's easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife, you can't exactly outrun a bullet.

I'm emphatically not an advocate for firearms, but this point is rather important and true.

He planned this killing for over a year. So I doubt not being able to get a gun would have mattered.

It's supposed to be.

*puts on trainers*

Depends on the situation, the gun and the knife.

inb4 "that's not a knife, this is a knife"

I'm just curious to know... when his parents called the police after him posting the video so that they could go check on his mental state of mind, when the police was at his door asking if he is okay why they didn't ask to search the home? pretty sure the NRA isn't to blame there... (not defending the NRA)

By that logic I'm plotting something horrific.

I have multiple guns easily accessible to me, one of which is mine and another my wife's. I also have several thousand rounds of ammunition (not counting the empty casings yet to be loaded) because it is significantly cheaper/easier to buy in bulk.

He could have just played GTA V and pretended to kill those he thought did him harm.

Kinda what I was thinking. Given that multiple videos he had uploaded to YouTube, plus the recommendation of someone from a mental health agency to check on his well-being, would this not send up a red flag to do more than talk to him? "Sorry officer, could you come back in a half hour? I'm not done detailing my rampage. Thanks."

Edit: While I'm thinking about it, did it never occur to the parents to sneak into their kid's room when he was out and poke around for anything malicious? I know my parents would've if I'd done some crap like that at that age.

The way the law works unless you are an immediate threat to yourself or others they can't commit you.

They can't commit you, sure, but depending on the content of the videos could that not have provided sufficient cause for a search warrant?

I don't know if a video is considered probable cause to have a search warrant.

To obtain a search warrant, an officer must first prove that probable cause exists before a magistrate or judge, based upon direct information (i.e. obtained by the officer's personal observation) or hearsay information. Hearsay information can even be obtained by oral testimony given over a telephone, or through an anonymous or confidential informant, so long as probable cause exists based on the totality of the circumstances. Both property and persons can be seized under a search warrant. The standard for a search warrant is lower than the quantum of proof required for a later conviction. The rationale is that the evidence that can be collected without a search warrant may not be sufficient to convict, but may be sufficient to suggest that enough evidence to convict could be found using the warrant.

So when they did a welfare check and he didn't display signs of violence etc. There was really nothing they could have done.

Taken from CNN: Brown said Rodger told deputies it was a misunderstanding and that he was not going to hurt anyone or himself. Rodger said he was having troubles with his social life.

"He was articulate. He was polite. He was timid," Brown told CNN on Sunday.

There was nothing in his behavior to suggest he was violent, and the deputies "determined he did not meet the criteria for an involuntary hold," Brown said.

That seems to be the general problem though. Most of these shooters don't actually seem violent until they open fire on someone.

That is true it is the way the law is though. Unless he seemed like a threat the police can't do anything.

If they would have searched his room it could have been prevented but they weren't allowed to do so.