What's The Top 5 Mythic's?

Unfortunately, simple math isn't a subjective matter. 3.75 fTP at 1000 TP for a single hit WS means any multi attack adds a substantial amount of damage.

Let's say we are comparing an OATless Koga and a real one for simplicity. Assuming a base damage of 100, no dbl/trp/qdr attack and going by the OAT chance spread given in bgwiki (40%/20%):

(100*0.4*3.75 + 100*0.4*4.75 + 100*0.2*5.75)/(100*3.75)=455/375= ~121.3%

It looks like it does add much to the average WS damage.

My Glanzfaust all day. H2H mythic is a beast.

I think we PLD being insulted at.
Burtgang should be at the top line

While noone will deny that most mythic weapons are the best a job can get, only few of them are truly gamebreaking. And Burtgang is not on the list of gamebreaking good.

The title gamebreaking is reserved for the following: (taking Ergon weapons along)(Not in any ranking order)
- Carnwenhan
- Yagrush
- Idris

Yagrush has the best utility, usefulness and longevity of all mythic weapons. There is no such thing as a "bandwagon" classification with Yag nor is there ever a scenario in which a mythic WHM doesn't make events a much smoother experience (assuming the WHM doesn't suck as a player).

If you were to just go by FFXIAH and what ones have been made the most the list looks like this:

1. Burtgang
2. Koga
3. Yagrush
4. Ryunohige
5. Carn

My list would look like this:

1. Ryunohige – Biggest increase for job effectiveness out of all mythics. Also helps do more damage when Wyvern dies.
2. Idris – GEO is broken, Idris makes it more broken.
3. Burtgang – Does this need to be explained?
4. Koga – Lets stop the Koga vs Tsuru talk right now, Koga blows it away if all else is equal.
5. Epeolatry – Makes RUN a legitimate tank vs a soft off-tank.


Yagrush and Carn are for lazy players and do not augment the job enough.

As for Tizona.. just stop. No way anyone could actually think a Tizona is better than Nirvana, Terps, Tsup, Vajra, Death Penalty, Aymur, or Glanzfaust.

Seriously.. all of you need to get off the Yagrush and Carn are OP and game-breaking BS-wagon.

Yagrush and Carn just allow you to be LAZY.. nothing more.

Yagrush is only good for 18 man content
Carn is only good when you aren't getting dispelled

Neither one is worth the time or money compared to the others.

I'm sorry that I look at party benefit and utility over personal benefit when grading weapons and gear.
And your list is just as opinionated as anyone else's, so shush.

we could use you bud :P



my mithra need a message :~

Carn provides no party utility for 80-90% of a run for any modern content. It allows you to cast songs and then go bake a *** cake. In situations where you can’t do this because of dispels.. why use it at all? Songs do not run a limited resource such as MP, so having them last longer really doesn’t do anything outside of full buff + soul-voice situations. So congratulations, for a short fight where you aren’t getting dispelled.. Carn is OP. Now tell me, where is this short fight with perfect conditions? You have an answer? Good, now ask yourself this: “Is that fight too short for Carn to really make a difference?”

The answer to that last question is more than likely yes. Not many fights last long enough for you to get the full effect of Carn, and outside of soul voice, who gives a ***if your buffs don’t last as long? Stop being lazy! Carn doesn't make your songs stronger right? Nope.. move on.

As for Yagrush.. it has limited use in 6-man content where only 2 or 3 people are actually getting debuffs. Very useful in 18 man content. That being said, how much true 18 man content is there? Vagary and Incursion, sure.. what else? Now ask yourself this.. are you stunning the moves that throw out harmful debuffs? If so then again, who cares about Yagrush if you aren’t getting hit by debilitating spells?

With only a handful of people getting hit by debuffs in most content combined with the low recast and fast casting speed of ailment cures, Yagrush becomes a luxury. It is not the OP magic cure-all that everyone makes it out to be.

Both of these weapons are extremely expensive, situational Macro pieces. They are good, sure, but no where near OP.

Granted that it's true that dispel greatly hinders Carnwenhan potential attractiveness (and alas dispels these days are pretty common), if we want to assume a generic hypothetical scenario where there is no dispel, Carnwenhan would be a great instrument for any BRD.
Not only it would allow you to (almost) permanently ride on NiTro, giving stronger songs (marcato) to your parties, but it also makes managing multiple parties/swaps much more easily, and it gives the bard the chance to do many other things instead of just following others around doing nothing but refreshing buffs like a bot/mule would do.

You can get a respectable nuking gear these days if you're particularly dedicated, and that works well with subjobs like /SCH.
Or you could be a ddBRD, you'd be surprised how well BRD can perform. It has an excellent choice of dd items available for almost all slots, without even taking into account augmented Yorcia gear.

So in this scenario yes, Carnwenhan would really "change" the game for that BRD because it would allow him to do many more things that he would hardly ever get the chance to do otherwise.



Now when we come back to the harsh reality sadly Dispels greatly hinders Carnwenhan's attractiveness, which is exactely why many Carns BRD have been asking for means to make songs undispellable under certain circumstances (NiTro for instance, or at least SV).
Alas I don't see it happening.


(also with AM1 up Carns is the best debuff option, but the difference compared to other options is really small so yeah...)

This is a fair point and something I hadn't considered.

Still doesn't mean it's as game-breakingly OP as everyone tries to make it out to be. Simply because at its core the main thing it does is extend the duration of songs. After that it becomes the choice of the BRD wielding it to make good decisions. Some BRDs might benefit more from it and do some of the things you mentioned.. others might go watch Netflix. (obviously an exaggeration)

As for the Yagrush's defense;

Surely the effect is lost when you only have 2 people in range of status effects, but alas a lot of mobs inflict multuple effects at once.

Have fun relying on your hat when you have half a party screaming at you to remove curse, paralyze, plague, defense down, attack down and silence.
Oh, and they all want HP too.
And Haste, And Boost STR/DEX/Etc.

It's a macro piece, yeah, sure.

I was that guy getting yelled at for years, I never felt I needed a yagrush. Even if I did.. that does not mean I thought it was OP, it would just mean that I get to relax a little more.

It's not gamebreaking for sure, in the age of post SoA where they worked hard to close the gap between RME weapons and everything else, it's rare to find really gamebreaking items.
Before Terpander existed, Daurdabla99 was definitely THE most "gamebreaking" item in my humble opinion. It allowed a single bard to do the job of TWO bards. It allowed a party of 6 people to be like a party of 7, with 2 bards. How many items can you think that allows your job to do exactely double the amount your job can do without?

But I digressed. Yes, Carnwenhan is not gamebreaking but in ideal circumstances (which, once more, are sadly very rare these days) it surely is a "game changer" for the Bard who owns it, because it can really allow you to play in a very different style which wouldn't be possible otherwise.
There aren't many items that could "change" the way you play your job this much.


Again tough, for the last time, it is of little use to talk about theoretical potential when in reality you can hardly find yourself in such scenarios anymore.

Uh tizona does 3 important things for blu...

1. Magic accuracy for landing important debuffs that are basically unique to blu like plague and terror.

2. Allows them to set higher tiers or additional job traits like accuracy bonus 3 because they no longer require mp recovery. Aoe erase spam days hi.

3. Gives them an advantage to stacking STP and lessens the impact of accuracy sets dramatically.

What tizona does is make one of the top dd's a better dd and adds more utility to an already strong utility dd.

It's awesome.

And don't forget the mandatory 3 second wait between each and every cast.

Aftermath aside, I'm glad Vajra and Epeolatry give bonuses I'm always using, rather than something bogus like "Enhances Mijin Gakure".

surprised nobody mentioned the stupid-long lullabies you get with carn(and other appropriate gear), it's situational but very potent when applicable

I think that as far as the largest boost to what a job does, I would give that to Kenkonken before Ryunohige, and this is speaking as someone who HAS a Ryunohige. additionally, Burtgang is nice and all, but far from required with all the other tools Paladin has at its disposal. Epoleatary however allows RUN to be an actual tank instead of just some DD riding their PDT set with some hate tools. if RUN had something half as powerful as Ochain for deflecting damage, it'd be one thing, but Battuta etc for as wonderful as they are are just not enough. in the meantime, everyone is going to continue to use any PLD that has both an Aegis and brOchain, regardless of what sword they are using. any Paladin that uses the appropriate shield doesn't need a Burtgang, it just allows them to be "lazier" like the Carnwein Bard or the Yagrush White Mage. are ANY of those items bad? of course not. are any of them as game changingly powerful as Idris, Daurdabla (which isn't even a Mythic), or even Epeolotary? not really.

the top mythic is for the job you actually WANT to play, not the job you begrudgingly gear up because your LS needs it, or worse the flavor of the month you put months into gearing for and then BARANCE comes along and knocks it down a few pegs.

For the record, there's not a thing in the game RUN can't tank without Epeolatry. It's an incredible weapon but by no means does any RUN truly need one.

I beg to differ. I made Yagrush not too long ago, and it's worth both the time and the money AND the effort. Being able to aoe erase and -na is great whether you're in a single party or a full alliance. Removing say, slow and para on all the DDs at once will actually help keep damage up and by extension speed up the fight. It isn't even about being lazy, it's about increasing efficiency.

Don't know what you guys are still braying about.

Zerowone and I gave you a clear solution to all of your problems.

No problem can't be fixed by a judicial application of gunpowder and environmental manipulation.

You guys use more DD than whm or /whm to put Yagrush in such awesome state?
At most we have 2 dd wich are covered by the whm and the brd.

I'd put any top tier dd and carn as very usefull; koga was a much higher increase than I was hoping for.

Sch one is prolly awesome now too.

Carnwenhan is nice and all cause it extends songs so you dont have to sing as often...but am i missing something here? What's groundbreaking about being able to be lazier than normal? How is it top 5? This is coming from a brd with ghorn and daur, btw...

Also, about Yag, I agree it should be part of top 5...aoe erase/paralyna/etc yes please. If you cant find value in that, then you obviuosly have never played whm...

This is the reason I think Yagrush is extremely overhyped, it rode the hype train from 75 where people regularly used 3 DDs and some groups even ran 4 DDs (ew) and the chance to AoE 3-4 people with your paralynas was just so broken.

Current content uses 1 person in range, usually a Pld for Vagary or a Sam for anything else. Sometimes if you are doing a pug you use 2 DDs in range but one of them is a pug so they aren't even worth paralynaing. For any of these situations your top mythic is going to be a fast cast stick and nothing more, I cannot fathom giving Yagrush the title of best mythic for this very reason. I still think it's a decent weapon but way overhyped and completely designed for the days of old. I would still probably put it in my top 5 though just because of lack of use for other RMEs.

Also if we are putting Ergons and Mythics in the same category there is seriously no possible argument that Idris doesn't absolutely crush every RME in the game, that item is broken as ***.