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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2014-03-06 14:18:53
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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So if they're only going to cap it at 10 for now that means 300k EXP for 30 more attack per point while Berserk is active. Not major but nice to have I guess. Further points spent may increase attack more than 3 too.


you may want to look at that screenshot a little closer.

its 0/30 per enhancement category.

edit: with each job holding a cap of 200 Points at 30k/ points. No indication on a point distribution cap per job though.

It was stated on page 2 that they are planning to reduce it from 30 to 10 to start.

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They said a while back they want to make sp1 meritable to 30min so I think that's what the mighty strikes enhancement is. Being able to use SP1 twice in a delve makes for some powerful options

I do remember them saying that but "Mighty Strikes Effect Up" doesn't sound like a reduction in recast timers to me but rather a buff to its damage.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2014-03-06 14:22:42
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You should read an entire book on Law in one night. I'd be curious to see if you would pass the Bar exam the next day... Better yet. Have someone else read it to you. That will help even more.


I just wanted to point out that if you change "one night" to "about 5 weeks", that becomes a pretty accurate description of the bar examination process in the U.S.
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By Bismarck.Hsieh 2014-03-06 14:22:56
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
So if they're only going to cap it at 10 for now that means 300k EXP for 30 more attack per point while Berserk is active. Not major but nice to have I guess. Further points spent may increase attack more than 3 too.


you may want to look at that screenshot a little closer.

its 0/30 per enhancement category.

edit: with each job holding a cap of 200 Points at 30k/ points. No indication on a point distribution cap per job though.
I couldn't translate the kanji but couldn't it be 200 pts cumulative from all jobs? In other words, you can only spend a total of 200 points of all the jobs at 99.

I have a bad feeling that monstrosity is the best way to accumulate these pts if it's no based off experience points.
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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2014-03-06 14:43:13
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
So if they're only going to cap it at 10 for now that means 300k EXP for 30 more attack per point while Berserk is active. Not major but nice to have I guess. Further points spent may increase attack more than 3 too.


you may want to look at that screenshot a little closer.

its 0/30 per enhancement category.

edit: with each job holding a cap of 200 Points at 30k/ points. No indication on a point distribution cap per job though.
I couldn't translate the kanji but couldn't it be 200 pts cumulative from all jobs? In other words, you can only spend a total of 200 points of all the jobs at 99.

I have a bad feeling that monstrosity is the best way to accumulate these pts if it's no based off experience points.

"The only limit on the jobs one may refine is the number of them Vana'diel has to offer, so enhance to your heart's delight, whether with one job or many."

I don't think we have to worry about that. The 200 points is either a storage for that job (can hold up to 200 points similarly to how you can hold up to 30 merits) to spend later or a cap of how many you can spend in that one job. For example capping both Mighty Strikes and Berserk JP's in march would take 20JP so that number could go to 20/200 for WAR only.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-06 15:07:58
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Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
So if they're only going to cap it at 10 for now that means 300k EXP for 30 more attack per point while Berserk is active. Not major but nice to have I guess. Further points spent may increase attack more than 3 too.


you may want to look at that screenshot a little closer.

its 0/30 per enhancement category.

edit: with each job holding a cap of 200 Points at 30k/ points. No indication on a point distribution cap per job though.

It was stated on page 2 that they are planning to reduce it from 30 to 10 to start.

Ophannus said: »
They said a while back they want to make sp1 meritable to 30min so I think that's what the mighty strikes enhancement is. Being able to use SP1 twice in a delve makes for some powerful options

I do remember them saying that but "Mighty Strikes Effect Up" doesn't sound like a reduction in recast timers to me but rather a buff to its damage.

I just read the official page in Japanese:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/40507-dev1188-%E3%80%8C%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A7%E3%83%96%E3%83%9D%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%80%8D%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6

Nowhere does it state that it will start off at 10 point cap and move up to the 30. So whoever translated it and came up with that translated from a different source, because it is not there in Japanese. Just like in English its content in development and there will be more than just 2 options to upgrade per job.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-06 15:09:21
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It should be noted that because this is content in development, it may be different than the screenshot shown. In the March Update, it is currently planned to go up to level 10, rather than level 30 for each category as the development screenshot shows. The cap is planned to be raised in future updates, so please stay tuned!
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-06 15:12:27
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Nowhere is that stated in both the English and Japanese announcement. So where is that coming from?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-06 15:14:00
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It's in a following reply Kincard translated, so ask him.
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By Bismarck.Stephenjd 2014-03-06 15:20:04
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Check the second post of the dev tracker on the official forums.
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2014-03-06 15:20:19
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I would assume it is this post in the JP thread.
Beep boop.
Lomloon said:
なお、今回公開したスクリーンショットは開発中の画面のため、実際の仕様は
変更の可能性があります。最新の情報によると3月のバージョンアップ時点では
各項目は30段階ではなく10段階まで開放の予定です。

Granted this is just skimming so I don't have a proper translation to back it up.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-06 15:21:34
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Thanks for the clarification.
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By Ophannus 2014-03-06 15:30:06
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I'm assuming its recast reduction since that's what they said they planned on doing a long time ago and to be honest many sp1's are already quite powerful already.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2014-03-06 16:32:45
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Interesting.
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2014-03-06 18:49:04
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Ophannus said: »
I'm assuming its recast reduction since that's what they said they planned on doing a long time ago and to be honest many sp1's are already quite powerful already.

The SS we have literally says "enhances effect" in language that is consistent with other effect enhancements currently in game. So unless they change it altogether (which they may as it's still in development), it will most likely not have any effect on duration.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-06 19:26:29
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How can they enhance Benediction then?
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By Asura.Echandra 2014-03-06 19:28:51
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How can they enhance Benediction then?

have it give mp and remove weaken status, or reduce the enmity generated (LOL)
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-06 19:52:32
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Or give it a cureskin effect
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By Lakshmi.Deces 2014-03-06 21:05:52
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Shiva.Spathaian said: »
なお、今回公開したスクリーンショットは開発中の画面のため、実際の仕様は
変更の可能性があります。最新の情報によると3月のバージョンアップ時点では
各項目は30段階ではなく10段階まで開放の予定です。
"It should be noted that, because of the screen of development, screen shot you have published this time the actual specification
There is a possibility of change. Versions up time of March, according to the latest information
Each item is scheduled to open up to 10 steps instead of 30 stage."
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By Ophannus 2014-03-06 22:40:21
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The SS we have literally says "enhances effect" in language that is consistent with other effect enhancements currently in game. So unless they change it altogether (which they may as it's still in development), it will most likely not have any effect on duration.


Correct me if I'm whooshing, but when you merit anything that increases duration or lowers recast doesn't it still say something like "Your Sneak Attack effect rises to level X?
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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2014-03-06 22:43:52
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See Page 2 for a Non-google translation. lol

Also while the 1 hours are still very potent I could see some little perks being added to them. Some ideas I could see them doing for enhancing effects of the Lv1 1HRs:
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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2014-03-06 22:45:33
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Ophannus said: »
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The SS we have literally says "enhances effect" in language that is consistent with other effect enhancements currently in game. So unless they change it altogether (which they may as it's still in development), it will most likely not have any effect on duration.


Correct me if I'm whooshing, but when you merit anything that increases duration or lowers recast doesn't it still say something like "Your Sneak Attack effect rises to level X?

That particular one is "Sneak Attack Recast" in game. A year ago or so they went through and changed all the merits wording to be in line with what they actually do.

A good example is the DRK. They get 2 merits "Last Resort Effect" like what the JP says about Mighty Strikes and also "Last Resort Recast" which is what you were thinking it might do. This is why we're saying it's most likely a boost to current effects or an added effect to the 1hrs.
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By Kalila 2014-03-06 23:00:46
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Sorry Kali, don't mean to steal your thunder, I'm just excited and didn't want to wait!
I'm glad you're posting it, I kinda burned myself out on it :<
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2014-03-06 23:05:58
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Also while the 1 hours are still very potent I could see some little perks being added to them. Some ideas I could see them doing for enhancing effects of the Lv1 1HRs:
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DRG: during spirit surge, spawn an additional iLVL appropriate wyvern for each job point up to 5 wyverns max. Further job points will increase wyvern stats by 10% per job point for the duration of spirit surge. All wyverns dismiss when spirit surge wears off.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-06 23:30:28
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Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
THF: Critical hit rate +.

God no.

How about perma-SA and perma-TA for the duration of Perfect dodge.
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2014-03-06 23:31:51
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Ophannus said: »
Correct me if I'm whooshing, but when you merit anything that increases duration or lowers recast doesn't it still say something like "Your Sneak Attack effect rises to level X?

The English version of the game takes a number of linguistic shortcuts do most likely to character limitations. If you get a text log read out saying "Your sneak attack effect rises to level X", what they are really saying is "The merit category named 'sneak attack (recast)' rises to level X". Who knows why they dropped the word 'recast'? Maybe they didn't want it to say ".. recast rises to.."? Translators make some very in the moment descisions sometimes.

JP text in XI is much more consise and clear in most cases. For all merits which affect duration they use the phrase "(ability)使用間隔". 使用 = "use" and 間隔 = "interval". This is typically translated as 'recast'.

The screen shot provided clearly says (mighty strikes)効果アップ. 効果 = "effect" and アップ = "up".
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2014-03-06 23:43:17
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Ragnarok.Eriina said: »
DRG: during spirit surge, spawn an additional iLVL appropriate wyvern for each job point up to 5 wyverns max. Further job points will increase wyvern stats by 10% per job point for the duration of spirit surge. All wyverns dismiss when spirit surge wears off.
If this would proc spirit and soul jump's wyvern present bonuses during spirit surge, then I'd be all for it. lol.

Spirit surge right now is like.... Here's your jump recasts back! Oh, but your jumps suck now.
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By Leviathan.Krysten 2014-03-07 00:27:28
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when is the update anyway the 11th?
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2014-03-07 00:57:12
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
If this would proc spirit and soul jump's wyvern present bonuses during spirit surge, then I'd be all for it. lol.

Spirit surge right now is like.... Here's your jump recasts back! Oh, but your jumps suck now.

It would proc wyvern present bonus X number of wyverns out. And stack with fly high! For sure. :p
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By Leviathan.Krysten 2014-03-07 03:17:02
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i hope PUP get something cool not lame crap like "recast timer on role reversal" lol.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2014-03-07 03:52:29
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Asura.Echandra said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
How can they enhance Benediction then?

have it give mp and remove weaken status, or reduce the enmity generated (LOL)

Duration! :D Benediction is probably one of the truest 1hrs in the game. Would be tough to improve on, also don't understand why people laugh at the relic body Bene aug. If I'm going to be using Benediction, ***has hit the fan. Max -enm will help me not get owned afterwards.

Would like to see Sacrosanctity get a boost, either with a lower recast or have it protect against more spells. At the moment it requires almost perfect judgement from the WHM to be used effectively. Or pick a staple WHM spell and enhance on that?

SAMI would be most interested in, more WSs during 1hr would be nice or meditate++. I have faith in SE with what they have added job wise recently.
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