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Baptist churches use's gun giveaways for Jesus
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-05 16:41:46
All guns are designed for one purpose: to fire a projectile, nothing more.
***. And you know it.
There would be only one design of firearm if they were built to do only one thing. There is no debate available on this. I come from a family with a history of hunting. If I took a handgun out to hunt deer, I'd be laughed out of the woods. A rifle is more than capable of killing a human being, but its purpose is different.
Hell, that's why there are so many different kinds of projectile. Quite a few bullets would only do nominal harm to a human because they're not designed to injure something as strong as us, whereas other things destroy our flesh because they're designed to pierce armor, either elephant hide or tank plating.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 16:42:55
***. And you know it.
There would be only one design of firearm if they were built to do only one thing. There is no debate available on this. I come from a family with a history of hunting. If I took a handgun out to hunt deer, I'd be laughed out of the woods. A rifle is more than capable of killing a human being, but its purpose is different.
Hell, that's why there are so many different kinds of projectile. Quite a few bullets would only do nominal harm to a human because they're not designed to injure something as strong as us, whereas other things destroy our flesh because they're designed to pierce armor, either elephant hide or tank plating.
The types of projectiles and the speed/range are different, but it's sole purpose is to fire that projectile.
Now you can argue that the projectiles are made to kill all you want, I don't have a problem with that argument.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-05 16:45:29
Wrong. And I'm done debating such a ridiculous premise. It is not the "sole" purpose. It is not the "only" purpose. You keep using those words presumably because you know how wrong it is. Almost nothing is made for a single purpose.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-03-05 16:48:17
yet the mennonites here in CA block my strip club citing the name "Take it off for Jesus" as vulgar
damn Mennonites!!!!
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 16:51:57
Wrong. And I'm done debating such a ridiculous premise. It is not the "sole" purpose. It is not the "only" purpose. You keep using those words presumably because you know how wrong it is. Almost nothing is made for a single purpose.
You can argue it all you want, but you know that you're wrong.
A gun is a machine that's made to fire a projectile, nothing more.
Stop getting mad at the machine because people want to misuse it.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-03-05 16:55:12
in short, you should have a beef with the bullet, not the weapon used to send it on it's trajectory.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-03-05 16:55:53
All guns are designed for one purpose: to fire a projectile, nothing more.
***. And you know it.
There would be only one design of firearm if they were built to do only one thing. There is no debate available on this. I come from a family with a history of hunting. If I took a handgun out to hunt deer, I'd be laughed out of the woods. A rifle is more than capable of killing a human being, but its purpose is different.
Hell, that's why there are so many different kinds of projectile. Quite a few bullets would only do nominal harm to a human because they're not designed to injure something as strong as us, whereas other things destroy our flesh because they're designed to pierce armor, either elephant hide or tank plating.
Plenty of people use .357 and .44 for hunting. Many people also bring a handgun when hunting large game as back up as well since they are easy to carry.
God forbid someone who lives in a crappy neighborhood has a handgun for home protection in their nightstand because it is easier to handle than a shotgun.
And all those people who do USPSA/IDPA/Three Gun must be second amendment gun nuts and absolutely insane. No way they just enjoy a fun sport and can appreciate a firearm for its technicality and craftsmanship.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 16:57:04
in short, you should have a beef with the person, not the weapon used to send the bullet on it's trajectory. ftfy
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-05 16:57:45
Ok, one last try, though I know it won't make a difference. Here are some equally stupid and pointless things to mirror your nonsense:
An automobile's sole function is to convert gasoline fumes into explosions.
A refrigerator is a machine designed only to circulate freon through tubes.
A thermonuclear bomb's singular purpose is to excite radioactive materials to create a sudden, large amount of energy.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-05 16:59:27
God forbid someone who lives in a crappy neighborhood has a handgun for home protection in their nightstand because it is easier to handle than a shotgun.
And all those people who do USPSA/IDPA/Three Gun must be second amendment gun nuts and absolutely insane. No way they just enjoy a fun sport and can appreciate a firearm for its technicality and craftsmanship. What the *** are you talking about? I said nothing about any of that.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 17:00:11
Ok, one last try, though I know it won't make a difference. Here are some equally stupid and pointless things to mirror your nonsense:
An automobile's sole function is to convert gasoline fumes into explosions.
A refrigerator is a machine designed only to circulate freon through tubes.
A thermonuclear bomb's singular purpose is to excite radioactive materials to create a sudden, large amount of energy. 1. No that would be an engine's
2. no that would be the refrigeration unit, not the entire device.
3. no that would be the parts making the reaction, the parts about letting it get out of control are of another function.
These aren't like things!
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-03-05 17:01:59
Okay now on topic.
I really don't see what the big deal about all this is. The guns were donated, so the church didn't spend any money and everything is being transferred in a legal way.
The local Hunters for the Hungry (which is mainly a Christian organization) is on like their 15th annual gun raffle. I guess I just don't really understand why this is news worthy.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 17:04:07
Okay now on topic.
I really don't see what the big deal about all this is. The guns were donated, so the church didn't spend any money and everything is being transferred in a legal way.
The local Hunters for the Hungry (which is mainly a Christian organization) is on like their 15th annual gun raffle. I guess I just don't really understand why this is news worthy.
It isn't, but people go nuts over anything anymore.
Edit: I will say though: the OP made a post in a rather nice way, he's just throwing it out there, not really commenting on it at all, now only if the "news" stations could do that...
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-03-05 17:06:23
God forbid someone who lives in a crappy neighborhood has a handgun for home protection in their nightstand because it is easier to handle than a shotgun.
And all those people who do USPSA/IDPA/Three Gun must be second amendment gun nuts and absolutely insane. No way they just enjoy a fun sport and can appreciate a firearm for its technicality and craftsmanship. What the *** are you talking about? I said nothing about any of that.
Long guns employed for hunting don't bug me. Handguns (and assault weapons, of course) are designed to kill humans
You're clearly against small guns and such, I just tossed out a couple of extras to show that not everyone who buys a gun is hellbent on using it as a murder tool.
By Cari 2014-03-05 17:23:44
Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
Winners will receive a voucher to redeem at a local gun store. But first, each individual must pass a background check with the dealer. Parents will receive items won by children younger than 18.
Its not rly that different then a store giving out a gift card actually. The church themselves are not dealing with weapons, nor are the being offered to absolutely anyone. It seems the proper legalities being observed.
I agree completely they are doing as much as possible to keep it family friendly. But those who choose not to read and stick to prejudices and the whole fear mongering our own government is doing in regards to firearms blow it out of proportion. I guess its in human nature to demonize what we don't understand. If you read up on the news just as many people were killed in a mass stabbing if not a smidgen more. Guns are not the bad guy the guy is the bad guy and no matter what the object they will use it to kill. You don't want to carry a firearm great move to a state that has anti-firearm laws. Don't oppress or force your opinions on law abiding citizens because the mistakes of others. Oh and half the "assault" rifles are being banned because the features on it are "scary". Its cosmetic majority doesn't effect the mechanics of the firearm itself. But all this gun fear mongering is coming from people who hardly know anything about a firearm let alone shot one.
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By Cari 2014-03-05 17:40:56
What tickles me is this:
Quote: “We’re not doing it for the sake of the guns. We’re not doing it for any reason primarily than to help men understand the Gospel message is extremely relevant to their lives today,” said McAlister, team leader for Evangelism Church Planting and Collegiate Ministries for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. If your religion is apparently irrelevant enough that you need to effectively bribe people, maybe just pack things in. I can't help but wonder if this is just a publicity stunt.
Additionally, I'd have few problems with this if they were raffling off hunting rifles. Long guns employed for hunting don't bug me. Handguns (and assault weapons, of course) are designed to kill humans, though, which seems very counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The article doesn't say if there is any control over what is purchased with the winning certificates, but it does talk about hunting culture, so I really do hope they're hunting rifles.
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . A lot of hunters carry handguns for hog hunting as well along with those so called "evil assault weapons" which is a media made up movie term that they ended up running away with. Kind of like racial terms that get thrown around but dont define an actual person. For a majority the round in hunting rifles are generally bigger then a hand gun round and can do more damage. A handgun is also used for self defense and a handgun wouldn't be my first choice for trying to kill someone with. so separating what is made to kill and what isnt makes no sense. You can just as easily kill someone with bat or slingshot. "IF you dont have a sword sell you're cloak and buy a sword." which was said by Jesus. And the gun can be viewed as a modern day sword. Remember punish people who are evil not people who are defending themselves and their families from evil people.
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By Cari 2014-03-05 17:46:13
Wrong. And I'm done debating such a ridiculous premise. It is not the "sole" purpose. It is not the "only" purpose. You keep using those words presumably because you know how wrong it is. Almost nothing is made for a single purpose.
You can argue it all you want, but you know that you're wrong.
A gun is a machine that's made to fire a projectile, nothing more.
Stop getting mad at the machine because people want to misuse it.
Omgz <3's joo! Wish this was facebook .. where is the like button?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 17:48:41
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
By Cari 2014-03-05 17:55:42
Also one more thing something to look at and some food for thought before people start giving into propaganda the media spews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-05 17:59:49
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
Uh, most states would not allow you to hunt game with a handgun. For some seasons, you aren't even allowed to possess a handgun.
As for self-defense, it's a toss-up. A .45 ACP loaded with low-grain home defense rounds is probably the most effective and least dangerous option if you want to use a gun, but a simple burglar alarm company sign in your front yard is actually the MOST effective home defense option. You don't even have to actually have an alarm. Personal defense is a whole other ball of wax I won't comment on.
By Cari 2014-03-05 18:00:33
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
500 S&W Magnum enough said. Also some people hunt for the table not always for trophy bucks.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 18:05:28
Uh, most states would not allow you to hunt game with a handgun. For some seasons, you aren't even allowed to possess a handgun. Yeah, most states wouldn't, but some do.
I'm not 100% sure about Texas, never asked, never cared.
As for self-defense, it's a toss-up. A .45 ACP loaded with low-grain home defense rounds is probably the most effective and least dangerous option if you want to use a gun, but a simple burglar alarm company sign in your front yard is actually the MOST effective home defense option. You don't even have to actually have an alarm. Personal defense is a whole other ball of wax I won't comment on. Problem is, carrying a burglar alarm company sign while walking down the street won't help you one bit.
Not saying that everyone should carry a gun, but for self defense, even an unloaded gun is more effective than nothing at all.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 18:06:36
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
500 S&W Magnum enough said. Also some people hunt for the table not always for trophy bucks. True, but how many hunters out there vs. sport hunters?
By Cari 2014-03-05 18:08:10
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
Uh, most states would not allow you to hunt game with a handgun. For some seasons, you aren't even allowed to possess a handgun.
As for self-defense, it's a toss-up. A .45 ACP loaded with low-grain home defense rounds is probably the most effective and least dangerous option if you want to use a gun, but a simple burglar alarm company sign in your front yard is actually the MOST effective home defense option. You don't even have to actually have an alarm. Personal defense is a whole other ball of wax I won't comment on.
Sure but not in IN you can hunt with a handgun. And an alarm system scares away the lower end criminals but what happens in the time it takes the alarm company to call the cops to come to your house? Ive had an alarm system they call your house first because you could accidentally set the alarm off forgetting its on. Which happened all the time in my household. Just like the illusion that having a no gun zone will automatically turn criminals in the other direction.
By Cari 2014-03-05 18:12:05
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
500 S&W Magnum enough said. Also some people hunt for the table not always for trophy bucks. True, but how many hunters out there vs. sport hunters?
I know some people who would personally use a handgun even as back up. I can get more in depth as to why guns and why the second amendment exists but its very pointless when people have narrow mindsets.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 18:19:17
I know some people who would personally use a handgun even as back up. hey, more power to them.
I can get more in depth as to why guns and why the second amendment exists but its very pointless when people have narrow mindsets. So can I, but since you are new here, let me give you a quick pointer:
People on this website think that they are greater than God. No matter what you say to them, you are always wrong and they are always right.
It is always funny when you see two such people butt heads with each other.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-03-05 18:22:17
You can hunt with a handgun its perfectly legal (depending on the state) and in most cases its preferred to hunt with a handgun . Sure, you can hunt with a handgun, but you will neither be accurate, nor would you be able to take out a large animal with one shot.
The whole point in a hunting rifle is to take out the animal and prevent it from suffering for the remainder of it's life.
Plus, it helps with the taxidermy if you actually get a trophy buck.
Revolvers are considered to be the most accurate weapon available because they have the least moving parts. Also when shooting a .357 .44 or .45 Colt you're leaving a smaller cavity preserving more meat and for trophy hunters less worry of stains/tears in the hide.
You have obviously never been hunting in your life. Shot placement is 99.9% of hunting, not the caliber of bullet. Plenty of people hunt large game like boar/elk/bear with the above mentioned handguns. The advantage rifles have over revolvers for hunting is range.
True, but how many hunters out there vs. sport hunters?
Most everyone who hunts uses the meat or donates it otherwise. I have yet to run into a single person who would waste a kill.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2014-03-05 18:22:57
Iunno, I think Vishnu and Shiva can give me a run for my money.. so I'm only greater than SOME Gods.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-03-05 18:35:22
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Iunno, I think Vishnu and Shiva can give me a run for my money.. so I'm only greater than SOME Gods.
/stare
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