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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-26 19:23:23
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When exactly should I be using hybrid ws on mobs in seg farm? When the mob is weak to that element?

When the monster is not resistant to slashing, magic or that specific element.
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By Lederic 2022-03-26 19:35:54
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When exactly should I be using hybrid ws on mobs in seg farm? When the mob is weak to that element?

When the monster is not resistant to slashing, magic or that specific element.

Thank you. Is there a certain tp say 1750+ to hybrid ws at?
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By Asura.Aburaage 2022-03-26 19:38:01
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Nowadays at floor 1&2 I don't even switch to polearm on fish+crabs, jinpu still 1 shots them
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-27 14:08:33
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Lederic said: »
When exactly should I be using hybrid ws on mobs in seg farm? When the mob is weak to that element?

When the monster is not resistant to slashing, magic or that specific element.

Thank you. Is there a certain tp say 1750+ to hybrid ws at?

What weapon are you using? Doji is +500 TP Bonus, Moon Shade is +250 and Mpaca head is another 200 meaning you can easily WS around ~1100 or so. The GKT hybrids triple their multiplier from 1 to 2K but is only a 66% improvement from 2 to 3K.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-27 15:34:21
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Mpaca head is another 200

You wouldn't WS in Mpaca head unless you don't have augmented Nyame.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-03-27 17:04:16
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Nowadays at floor 1&2 I don't even switch to polearm on fish+crabs, jinpu still 1 shots them
Which buffs do you use and can I see your set?
My <Too Weak> SAM can sometimes oneshot stuff with Jinpu in there but most of the time I don't.

Also what's your ML? 'cause I'm only 23 and last time I went in there I was ~1600/2100 JPs I think lol
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By Asura.Aburaage 2022-03-27 17:23:50
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I'm currently at ML25, this is what I use
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I find, particularly on crabs and melee skeletons, Masamune does better than Doji, probably because of the STR? Also, on hybrid WS mobs, WHM can just toss out diaga since it takes only like 30-60 sec to kill entire packs
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-27 18:14:20
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Asura.Aburaage said: »
Nowadays at floor 1&2 I don't even switch to polearm on fish+crabs, jinpu still 1 shots them
Which buffs do you use and can I see your set?
My <Too Weak> SAM can sometimes oneshot stuff with Jinpu in there but most of the time I don't.

Also what's your ML? 'cause I'm only 23 and last time I went in there I was ~1600/2100 JPs I think lol

I one shot everything, except when I don't, but we don't' count those so I one shot everything.
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-03-27 19:55:47
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Asura.Aburaage said: »
Masamune does better than Doji
You can totally still one shot stuff with Masamune, but Doji is better unless you are holding TP a ton.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2022-03-27 21:33:07
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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Asura.Aburaage said: »
Nowadays at floor 1&2 I don't even switch to polearm on fish+crabs, jinpu still 1 shots them
Which buffs do you use and can I see your set?
My <Too Weak> SAM can sometimes oneshot stuff with Jinpu in there but most of the time I don't.

Also what's your ML? 'cause I'm only 23 and last time I went in there I was ~1600/2100 JPs I think lol

I one shot everything, except when I don't, but we don't' count those so I one shot everything.

not even opening the can of worms of "I count one-shotting as building 2500TP and WS'ing on the same mob, so that's killing in one shot, right?"
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-03-28 01:07:57
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Lol, I was asking for real! XD
Just wanted to check how far I am from getting to the point where I can reliably oneshot most of the stuff that's one-shottable with Jinpu.
Or Kagero, or Koki, or Goten, I guess.

Jinpu usually performs the best for me but clearly you can't rely on that on stuff that take 50% less wind damage etc, right?
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By SimonSes 2022-03-28 01:59:41
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not even opening the can of worms of "I count one-shotting as building 2500TP and WS'ing on the same mob, so that's killing in one shot, right?"

I understand your intention, but TPing to like 2000 (2500 doesnt make sense with all the TP bonus) is still much faster than WSing twice, so while it's not the same as one shooting at 1000TP+, its still not the same as 2-shooting.

Also SAM on avg TP to 2000 faster, than any other job.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2022-03-28 05:57:02
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not even opening the can of worms of "I count one-shotting as building 2500TP and WS'ing on the same mob, so that's killing in one shot, right?"

I understand your intention, but TPing to like 2000 (2500 doesnt make sense with all the TP bonus) is still much faster than WSing twice, so while it's not the same as one shooting at 1000TP+, its still not the same as 2-shooting.

Also SAM on avg TP to 2000 faster, than any other job.

oh completely agree^^ when I said "not opening that can of worms" it was because we seem to get caught up in semantics instead of meaningful conversation that leads somewhere more often than not here on ffxiah, :P
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-28 07:48:58
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Lol, I was asking for real! XD
Just wanted to check how far I am from getting to the point where I can reliably oneshot most of the stuff that's one-shottable with Jinpu.
Or Kagero, or Koki, or Goten, I guess.

Jinpu usually performs the best for me but clearly you can't rely on that on stuff that take 50% less wind damage etc, right?

All hybrids have 2 stages, meaning two different special resistances can be applied with either causing a severe reduction in damage. This is why hybrids tend to be very feast or famine, if a target resists slashing or magic then we'll end up with lower numbers.

For Sheol C we can see the different family resitances.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Odyssey#Sheol_C

All Aquans and Undead take -50% slashing, which practically halves the damage of the hybrids. Plantoids and Vermin take -50% magic, which almost halves the damage on the hybrids. Lamiae take -62% from slashing and -12% from magic and Mamool take -12% from slashing.

Hybrids first deal physical damage, in GKT's case it's slashing damage. That damage then gets multiplied by the fTP, gets MDMG added and goes through the whole magic damage formula as that elements damage. Both are added together and multiplied by WSD for the final number.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-03-28 07:51:43
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not even opening the can of worms of "I count one-shotting as building 2500TP and WS'ing on the same mob, so that's killing in one shot, right?"

I understand your intention, but TPing to like 2000 (2500 doesnt make sense with all the TP bonus) is still much faster than WSing twice, so while it's not the same as one shooting at 1000TP+, its still not the same as 2-shooting.

Also SAM on avg TP to 2000 faster, than any other job.

oh completely agree^^ when I said "not opening that can of worms" it was because we seem to get caught up in semantics instead of meaningful conversation that leads somewhere more often than not here on ffxiah, :P

Usually it's folks just trying to brag about their BDE instead of explaining and sharing information / experience.
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By Asura.Aburaage 2022-03-28 09:39:08
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Masamune does better than Doji
You can totally still one shot stuff with Masamune, but Doji is better unless you are holding TP a ton.

Yea I agree with this, I was talking particularly just on those 2 mobs, crabs and skele from what I noticed running segs
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By Lederic 2022-03-28 12:51:00
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If using Doji, should I be spamming Shoha over Fudo?
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-03-28 12:51:32
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If using Doji, should I be spamming Shoha over Fudo?
No.
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By Gruknor 2022-03-28 14:27:12
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If using Doji, should I be spamming Shoha over Fudo?
No.

I think you should use shoha when refreshing aftermath, maybe even then it’s not worth it.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-04-04 11:25:14
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Are SAM's generally using Mpaca's Cap when effective TP is < 3000 for the +200 TP Bonus on all WS (except Rana of course), or are they using Nyame Helm?

I've been using Mpaca's, but I'm doubting.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 11:33:01
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I stopped using Mpaca on SAM when Nyame R25 came out.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-04-04 11:46:33
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With R25 it's close either way but I think Mpaca can be slightly better in the right situations.
With R30 I don't think there's gonna be any doubt though.
For the sake of simplicity or inventory storage, I think even with R25 it's not gonna be a huge deal to go from Mpaca (especially if R0) to Nyame.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-04-04 11:55:00
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You do get higher SCD with Mpaca, for whatever that's worth. Whenever there's a choice between two options that are relatively close, Personall, I just automatically default to the one with more defensive properties.
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By SimonSes 2022-04-04 12:08:04
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On paper Mpaca is still much better at R25. Even far above 2000TP

200TP bonus is +10% increase at 1000TP that falls down to 6% at 2800TP.

10%WSD is 6.3% increase assuming 57%WSD without head.

Then Mpaca also has 7STR more.
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By Lederic 2022-06-26 00:55:16
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What food should i be using in seg runs?
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By Starbucks 2022-06-26 08:04:47
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Depends on your MLevel I think. MLevel0 = Sushi
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By Asura.Nesspoot 2022-06-26 08:27:40
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I usually just go with Grape Daifuku. Sometimes I’ll use an Attack/STP food for the first two floors then switch to something with Accuracy but I’m usually too lazy to pop the Antiacid.
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By Lederic 2022-06-26 09:58:34
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Depends on your MLevel I think. MLevel0 = Sushi

What about when at max mlevel?
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-06-26 09:59:33
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Would depend on what buffs and ML you are. Use food with Accuracy if you are not capped, Grape Daifuku, sushi etc.

If you are capped accuracy without food use Attack/STP food. Can also you attack/defense food
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khajit 2022-06-26 10:07:05
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I’ve been using popoto con queso lately for the meva.
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