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 Cerberus.Kalyna
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-08-24 12:37:47
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Fairy.Spence said: You guys don't seem to know kids very well. You can't teach kids at a young age without having consequences that will deter them.
They won't understand until they mature. It's still debatable in Psychology. Some say you can, some say you can't.
What is known, is that kids can't make memories until they're like 4-5 years old.
And the part of the brain that tells you what's right and what's wrong (Pre-frontal lobe) doesn't fully mature until you're 18-22 (varies with everyone)
According to Science right now. Understand that Science is also a religion, though. It's going to change. People put their biases into that too. They rule out ideas that seem "weird", just like anywhere else. Sec lemme find something which made me lol
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 12:39:30
Fairy.Spence said: Asura.Dameshi said: Fairy.Spence said: Asura.Dameshi said: Fairy.Spence said: You guys don't seem to know kids very well. You can't teach kids at a young age without having consequences that will deter them.
They won't understand until they mature. Well naturally you have to punish them. A good paddling never hurts. But you said you were just going to teach them that it was a *** move :P
I just meant kids need to be taught morals, not to fear an imaginary figure. But it's safe to say they need to fear something! Of course. Something tangible, not a man in the sky.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-08-24 12:41:03
Gah can't find it.
Hear-say--
Scientists recently find that <electron/proton/neutron> is actually heavier than <electron/proton/neutron> and it now messes up with loads of calculations or someshit like that.
gonna see if i can find what exactly it was ><
edit: not heavier but the radius is smaller (FOUND IT)
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/43128
lolol
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 12:41:12
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Asura.Dameshi said: Fairy.Spence said: Asura.Dameshi said: Fairy.Spence said: You guys don't seem to know kids very well. You can't teach kids at a young age without having consequences that will deter them.
They won't understand until they mature. Well naturally you have to punish them. A good paddling never hurts. But you said you were just going to teach them that it was a *** move :P
I just meant kids need to be taught morals, not to fear an imaginary figure. What's funny about this (not targeted specifically at you Dameshi) is that non religious parents will use the same sort of idea on children to make them behave.
Look at Santa Claus. Fair enough.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-24 12:42:47
So someone brought in blueberry coffee cake which I'm pretty sure I would have liked, but I didn't get any...
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-24 12:43:13
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Rule of law and morals aren't exactly tangible. Not that I disagree here, but..
It's all about building complexes, if you want to look at it from a psychological standpoint. You tell them "bad" enough when they repeat actions it builds it up.
In theory.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 12:46:27
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Rule of law and morals aren't exactly tangible. Not that I disagree here, but..
It's all about building complexes, if you want to look at it from a psychological standpoint. You tell them "bad" enough when they repeat actions it builds it up. Everything is based on how to fit in with society. It's very sad really, you just spend your whole life trying to fit in with other people who are just trying to fit in... Even those who deny it are still trying to fit in, but in a different way. People are just too judgemental.
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By Asura.Abriannah 2010-08-24 12:47:06
I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 12:47:45
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Fairy.Spence said: You guys don't seem to know kids very well. You can't teach kids at a young age without having consequences that will deter them.
They won't understand until they mature. It's still debatable in Psychology. Some say you can, some say you can't.
What is known, is that kids can't make memories until they're like 4-5 years old.
And the part of the brain that tells you what's right and what's wrong (Pre-frontal lobe) doesn't fully mature until you're 18-22 (varies with everyone)
According to Science right now. Understand that Science is also a religion, though. It's going to change. People put their biases into that too. They rule out ideas that seem "weird", just like anywhere else.
The difference is more often than not, religion rely on faith. In essence, knowing without actually "knowing". They have this sense of absolution, unshakable truth despite how dubious, doubtful or even contrary it may seem to the gravity of reality. Faith is not dynamic, it cannot be changed or adjusted, and will forever remain static based on principles made from some doctrine or tome that religion receives it's dogma from.
Science however, uses tangible evidence, contrasting theories and evidence to better adjust the way we see things in reality. It may not always be true, but from what we have to go by, it certainly makes the most sense.
As my biology teacher once explained to me: Science is like a peephole. You only get to see a small section of the big picture. You can look in, and you might see tables, chairs, a chalkboard, a desk with pencils and pens and you might come to the assumption that it is a classroom; but for all we know it could be a hollywood movie set made to look like one, we'll never know for sure, but what we have to go by, that is what it is for us.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 12:48:08
Fairy.Spence said: So someone brought in blueberry coffee cake which I'm pretty sure I would have liked, but I didn't get any... Go /tableflip
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 12:50:37
Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible..
Though you're left without knowing what you truly believe in or what your mind believes you should follow, the fact that you were left to discover this for yourself rather than have the decision made for you at an age where none of this can be comprehended is a good thing.
I'd be pissed if I was brought up an extremely personal life changing way of life without having had the chance to determine if it was best for myself or not.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-08-24 12:53:04
Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible.. As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 12:53:26
Oh and good morning LS.
/wipes sleep from eyes & yawns
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2010-08-24 12:53:31
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible.. As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 12:55:32
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible.. As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
I'm not saying you won't be okay as a person, I would just feel slighted at an older age to know that I was put into something I had no knowledge or say in when it is a huge personal factor/decision that can change your way of life as a whole.
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By Asura.Abriannah 2010-08-24 12:55:35
Sure, but honestly I still wish I would have been brought up with "something". It's difficult not knowing now what to believe in. My mind is so science based, but I KNOW theres something more out there.
(But that wasn't really the topic. ^^: I was just saying I have morals despite having a religion!)
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-08-24 12:56:46
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible.. As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too. =O lies! nobody leaves catholic private school religious!
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-08-24 12:58:22
Jesus doesnt teach you about morals, he teaches you bout cool magic tricks.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-08-24 12:58:38
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Jesus doesnt teach you about morals, he teaches you bout cool magic tricks. rofl
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 12:58:44
Asura.Abriannah said: Sure, but honestly I still wish I would have been brought up with "something". It's difficult not knowing now what to believe in. My mind is so science based, but I KNOW theres something more out there.
(But that wasn't really the topic. ^^: I was just saying I have morals despite having a religion!) Greek Mythology.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 12:58:46
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Fenrir.Tool said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Asura.Abriannah said: I was brought up without religion personally. I learned morals just fine. The only thing I struggle with really is finding something that I can wholeheartedly believe in.
Sometimes I wonder if I was brought up with religion, I'd have a better sense of faith & just believe certain things. Like the Bible.. As long as you weren't forced to go to a private school for 14 years (pre-k, k-12) and were forced to go to church Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, you'd be fine
I was. I think I turned out okay.
Edit: And we went to church on weds too.
I'm not saying you won't be okay as a person, I would just feel slighted at an older age to know that I was put into something I had no knowledge or say in when it is a huge personal factor/decision that can change your way of life as a whole.
Which was to my earlier point of a parent approaching their child with the perception of religion being an "ignorant pack of lies duh its so obvious!".
Very unfair to me.
It works both ways, yes. But IMO it would be best for the parents to remain neutral until the child has an understanding of what religion essentially is, and for them to follow whatever line of faith they feel most comfortable in.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-24 13:00:46
Asura.Bartimaeus said: That's what I'm saying.
Bart and I agree on something!
/high 5
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-08-24 13:01:04
Gotta do some afk work. Keep the discussion going in my absence.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-08-24 13:03:01
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Jesus doesnt teach you about morals, he teaches you bout cool magic tricks.
Da nah nah nanana na na na naaa
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=royal_kingdom_of_ni
Continuation from: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/2873/ffxiah-linkshell/732/#150486
Update: Sorry Eternaltriumph, too much has changed D: (Page 698)
Eternaltriumph said: Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
One Year Anniversary!!!Asura.Ludoggy said: Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
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Krizz 22085 2007-06-30 15:22:38
Haseyo 20875 2009-01-12 15:55:51
Dameshi 19807 2009-02-17 10:29:14
Urial 18636 2008-02-09 01:15:03
Spence 18475 2009-05-04 11:26:27
Kalyna 15001 2010-01-21 11:40:04
Rydiya 13469 2008-05-16 05:24:33
Alyria 12656 2007-10-23 10:58:35
Tigerwoods 10807 2007-03-14 21:10:43
Enternius 10382 2007-08-10 04:14:29
Slipispsycho 10072 2008-09-05 08:56:34
Rumaha 10000 2009-02-20 13:28:03
Kojo 9060 2007-06-30 17:46:02
Sevourn 8567 2009-02-10 00:10:20
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