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By mcdonalds87 2013-04-09 13:20:52
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You're mainly paying for dps on relics like rag. You're not paying for some super improved weapon skill piece. It's only mildly higher than hoarfrost and bore will put out even better weapon skills if that 8% procs. If you leveled a relic for some over the top fantasy thinking they'll destroy in weapon skill. Then you are in a world of hurt.
Rag is mainly dps. Even with the new swords. Rag will still out damage them.
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By Cerberus.Kengo 2013-04-10 02:25:04
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Cerberus.Kengo said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Do you still need acc in legion? I don't know how potent the nerf was.

Yes, even with pizza and hunters roll, after our Mul run, our Rag DDs were pulling 95%ish accuracy, still. This is what it roughly was before the Legion/Embrava nerf(s).

There's another job and weapon that shines in there, but I'm gonna keep it a secret.

:)

Spharai MNK if you wanted to know.

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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2013-04-10 05:23:18
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mcdonalds87 said: »
You're mainly paying for dps on relics like rag. You're not paying for some super improved weapon skill piece. It's only mildly higher than hoarfrost and bore will put out even better weapon skills if that 8% procs. If you leveled a relic for some over the top fantasy thinking they'll destroy in weapon skill. Then you are in a world of hurt.
Rag is mainly dps. Even with the new swords. Rag will still out damage them.

wat.....

the dps I can understand... but wat... Hoarfrost base dmg 126 Borealis 129

99 rag 143.... just wat......
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-10 05:31:09
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GS with D178, Str+18, Dex+15...

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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2013-04-10 05:32:15
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that with a normal stone or a +1 or +2 do we know?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-10 05:32:38
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+2 stone.
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2013-04-10 05:34:00
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not sure how difficult those are to obtain?

I would have thought it was using IV pieces to make a entry item but.. im not really finding much information and my Japanese reading skills are low -.-
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By mcdonalds87 2013-04-10 06:58:47
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Carbuncle.Sambb said: »
mcdonalds87 said: »
You're mainly paying for dps on relics like rag. You're not paying for some super improved weapon skill piece. It's only mildly higher than hoarfrost and bore will put out even better weapon skills if that 8% procs. If you leveled a relic for some over the top fantasy thinking they'll destroy in weapon skill. Then you are in a world of hurt.
Rag is mainly dps. Even with the new swords. Rag will still out damage them.

wat.....

the dps I can understand... but wat... Hoarfrost base dmg 126 Borealis 129

99 rag 143.... just wat......

Those base dmgs aren't that far off. People are expecting some return of 5k+ better weapon skills just because of a 14 difference in base dmg. Rag will clearly beat it, but the others won't be that far behind. Most you're probably looking at is 500-1k differences. More realistic is 500 differences if both people have the exact same ws gear. Freaking out over new weapons because they're base dmg is higher than a relic is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. They still won't out parse a rag.
Now base damage 178 is extremely jacked up. Wouldn't be a rag dps wise, but when you're zerging something. That's just effed up. 130mil for a rag then they intruduce something that doesn't that 1/5th the effort to get and make it better. Se can screw themselves lol
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By Lakshmi.Zaps 2013-04-10 07:51:55
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mcdonalds87 said: »
Carbuncle.Sambb said: »
mcdonalds87 said: »
You're mainly paying for dps on relics like rag. You're not paying for some super improved weapon skill piece. It's only mildly higher than hoarfrost and bore will put out even better weapon skills if that 8% procs. If you leveled a relic for some over the top fantasy thinking they'll destroy in weapon skill. Then you are in a world of hurt.
Rag is mainly dps. Even with the new swords. Rag will still out damage them.

wat.....

the dps I can understand... but wat... Hoarfrost base dmg 126 Borealis 129

99 rag 143.... just wat......

Those base dmgs aren't that far off. People are expecting some return of 5k+ better weapon skills just because of a 14 difference in base dmg. Rag will clearly beat it, but the others won't be that far behind. Most you're probably looking at is 500-1k differences. More realistic is 500 differences if both people have the exact same ws gear. Freaking out over new weapons because they're base dmg is higher than a relic is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. They still won't out parse a rag.
Now base damage 178 is extremely jacked up. Wouldn't be a rag dps wise, but when you're zerging something. That's just effed up. 130mil for a rag then they intruduce something that doesn't that 1/5th the effort to get and make it better. Se can screw themselves lol


Ever use any of the DPS spreadsheets?
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By Remora.Brain 2013-04-10 07:52:11
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DPS is Damage Per second, which includes WS unless you don't do damage with them.

You shouldn't be using the exact same WS Gear with Rag and Borealis unless you're fighting fodder mobs.

The new GS is better than Rag when fighting mobs weak enough or when buffed enough that ACC on Rag is overkill. You're forgetting fSTR adding to weapon base damage and the higher delay lowering white damage but increasing WS frequency because it can be 5-hit.

So far we know DMG ~38, STR ~22, DEX ~12, and WSDMG ~10% are possible augment pools, and I doubt those are the highest possible.
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2013-04-10 08:04:22
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500-1k difference in WS DMG is big, pretty confident nobody is expecting 5k+ difference... I understand the exaggeration but what you based it off of was wrong to begin with.

You say people are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for freaking out over new higher DMG weapons and then a sentence later go on to say SE can screw themselves for making something better and easier to get than a Relic.

I don't get it.
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