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GEO Skills
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-04 11:30:24
ATM the skill is like BRD. You don't really need the merits unless you're perma BRD.
The more important merits will be the T1 and T2 job spec ones as they have more of an influence on potency etc. Even if you perma brd you don't need th merits...
But I hope they add some way to let geo use 2 luapans otherwise it will be worst than a cor... Or let the geo spells affect all the alliance
I wouldn't say worse than a cor. They are DIFFERENT. Different =/= worse. Why do so many people relate these two? Like DD's. Yeah DPS is the name of the game in the DD world, but that doesn't mean you can't kill ***with other jobs...
Cor can "give" 2buff and have wildfire
Geo can give 2 "unique" buff and have gimps nukes...
So yea worst than cors
 Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 11:31:01
Seriously Aikchan, you have no idea what you're talking about. At this very moment, GEO - with a single spell unboosted by merits, AF, or bell enhancements - already has more potential usefulness than any other job ever has upon relase.
Besides that, GEO buffs are completely un-dispellable which gives them use beyond that for anything dispel-happy for which buffs are more beneficial than debuffs.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 11:31:26
Seriously Aikchan, you have no idea what you're talking about. At this very moment, GEO - with a single spell unboosted by merits, AF, or bell enhancements - already has more potential usefulness than any other job ever has upon relase.
Besides that, GEO buffs are completely un-dispellable which gives them use beyond that for anything dispel-happy for which buffs are more beneficial than debuffs.
Post so nice had to say it twice? lol
 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-04 11:31:36
Slow and def down that stack with other sources appear good to me.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 11:31:49
It showed up in the wrong order!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 11:32:05
ATM the skill is like BRD. You don't really need the merits unless you're perma BRD.
The more important merits will be the T1 and T2 job spec ones as they have more of an influence on potency etc. Even if you perma brd you don't need th merits...
But I hope they add some way to let geo use 2 luapans otherwise it will be worst than a cor... Or let the geo spells affect all the alliance
I wouldn't say worse than a cor. They are DIFFERENT. Different =/= worse. Why do so many people relate these two? Like DD's. Yeah DPS is the name of the game in the DD world, but that doesn't mean you can't kill ***with other jobs...
Cor can "give" 2buff and have wildfire
Geo can give 2 "unique" buff and have gimps nukes...
So yea worst than cors
"gimp" nukes? LOL They can nuke like sch, sans ebullience, for the most part which is pretty stellar and their "unique" buffs are awesome.. and yay WF... who *** cares?
By Gannonman 2013-04-04 12:19:37
Just curious if anyone has any screen shots of GEO Tier IV damage vs Tier II -ra spells. Just curious what kind of damage they can output.
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Phoenix.Brixy
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2013-04-04 12:55:05
I currently do not have magian staves, but plan on working on them very soon. Dark ring/refresh hairpin farming on geo:
Noticed something interesting while I was there also. Concentric Pulse gives ruby lights so I don't think it's magic based dmg.
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 12:56:13
Don't avatar magical bloodpacts give pearl? Abyssea lights don't really mean much.
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2013-04-04 12:58:30
I also tried Concentric Pulse on Arch Omega last night and it was averaging around 800ish. This was when he was on two legs and resistant to magic. T4 nukes were doing around 2-300ish on him at this time.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 12:58:54
It's probably breath damage.
BGWiki said: Damage dealt is equal to the luopans current health.
 Asura.Ina
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By Asura.Ina 2013-04-04 12:58:56
Don't avatar magical bloodpacts give pearl? Abyssea lights don't really mean much. They do, physical blue magic also gives azure.
Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2013-04-04 14:10:50
anyone got any good ideas on how to skill geo/hand up? i just been doing like smns and spamming casts, but anyone find a better way?
By Quetzacoatl 2013-04-04 14:13:39
Leviathan.Cycerath said: »anyone got any good ideas on how to skill geo/hand up? i just been doing like smns and spamming casts, but anyone find a better way? I wonder if spamming debuff Luopans on Zvahl Fortalices would do the trick. I'll look into that when I get more levels on my GEO (or if anyone else can, that would be cool too).
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By Asura.Gavvy 2013-04-04 14:22:18
Using food is definitely the best/quickest way to skill. Spam low MP indi spells... Took me a few days to cap but it certainly worked. Just like enhancing magic etc casting fast spells with low MP cost! I used Poison, Precision and Voidance.
Setting up a macro on Forts might work. Issue w/ that is Geo spells take forever to go off, they are MP heavy compared to Indi and you have to release them~ try it out though!
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-04-04 14:39:05
ATM the skill is like BRD. You don't really need the merits unless you're perma BRD.
The more important merits will be the T1 and T2 job spec ones as they have more of an influence on potency etc. Even if you perma brd you don't need th merits...
But I hope they add some way to let geo use 2 luapans otherwise it will be worst than a cor... Or let the geo spells affect all the alliance
I wouldn't say worse than a cor. They are DIFFERENT. Different =/= worse. Why do so many people relate these two? Like DD's. Yeah DPS is the name of the game in the DD world, but that doesn't mean you can't kill ***with other jobs...
Cor can "give" 2buff and have wildfire
Geo can give 2 "unique" buff and have gimps nukes...
So yea worst than cors
"gimp" nukes? LOL They can nuke like sch, sans ebullience, for the most part which is pretty stellar and their "unique" buffs are awesome.. and yay WF... who *** cares?
Gimp Nukes... oh wait probably my GEO is bugged and didnt got Tier V... and SCH are only good w/ stratagems, remove that and say again?
And ya WF makes COR "somehow" useful.. Never said "great" all I said "Worst than COR" if for you that means COR are the BEST DPS out there.. your problem.
EDIT: let me put it "simple" in an alliance, where you going to put the GEO? all I can say "mages!" they will get refresh and mab! wow!.. DD'S?.. who you going to remove? the lolCOR? to give them fury and weak mob defense just for those DDs?
like I said before.. if they make their buff to affect alliance they will be "really" good.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 14:40:40
ATM the skill is like BRD. You don't really need the merits unless you're perma BRD.
The more important merits will be the T1 and T2 job spec ones as they have more of an influence on potency etc. Even if you perma brd you don't need th merits...
But I hope they add some way to let geo use 2 luapans otherwise it will be worst than a cor... Or let the geo spells affect all the alliance
I wouldn't say worse than a cor. They are DIFFERENT. Different =/= worse. Why do so many people relate these two? Like DD's. Yeah DPS is the name of the game in the DD world, but that doesn't mean you can't kill ***with other jobs...
Cor can "give" 2buff and have wildfire
Geo can give 2 "unique" buff and have gimps nukes...
So yea worst than cors
"gimp" nukes? LOL They can nuke like sch, sans ebullience, for the most part which is pretty stellar and their "unique" buffs are awesome.. and yay WF... who *** cares?
Gimp Nukes... oh wait probably my GEO is bugged and didnt got Tier V... and SCH are only good w/ stratagems, remove that and say again?
And ya WF makes COR "somehow" useful.. Never said "great" all I said "Worst than COR" if for you that means COR are the BEST DPS out there.. your problem.
I lol'd hard. Seriously...
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-04 14:41:17
I don't know what game you two are playing where cor is comparison for a wasted party slot.
By Raborn 2013-04-04 17:00:13
Got a question here and I can't seem to figure out the answer myself,
But do Indi and Geo spells stack on top of each other.
Like for instance at cap do Geo-Poison and Indi-Poison together = to 60/ hp a tick?
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By Cerberus.Cahlum 2013-04-04 17:01:47
Got a question here and I can't seem to figure out the answer myself,
But do Indi and Geo spells stack on top of each other.
Like for instance at cap do Geo-Poison and Indi-Poison together = to 60/ hp a tick? No, no combination of spells stack. Not two indi spells or one indi and a geo.
 Asura.Fitali
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By Asura.Fitali 2013-04-04 17:15:00
ATM the skill is like BRD. You don't really need the merits unless you're perma BRD.
The more important merits will be the T1 and T2 job spec ones as they have more of an influence on potency etc. Even if you perma brd you don't need th merits...
But I hope they add some way to let geo use 2 luapans otherwise it will be worst than a cor... Or let the geo spells affect all the alliance
I wouldn't say worse than a cor. They are DIFFERENT. Different =/= worse. Why do so many people relate these two? Like DD's. Yeah DPS is the name of the game in the DD world, but that doesn't mean you can't kill ***with other jobs...
Cor can "give" 2buff and have wildfire
Geo can give 2 "unique" buff and have gimps nukes...
So yea worst than cors
"gimp" nukes? LOL They can nuke like sch, sans ebullience, for the most part which is pretty stellar and their "unique" buffs are awesome.. and yay WF... who *** cares?
Gimp Nukes... oh wait probably my GEO is bugged and didnt got Tier V... and SCH are only good w/ stratagems, remove that and say again?
And ya WF makes COR "somehow" useful.. Never said "great" all I said "Worst than COR" if for you that means COR are the BEST DPS out there.. your problem.
EDIT: let me put it "simple" in an alliance, where you going to put the GEO? all I can say "mages!" they will get refresh and mab! wow!.. DD'S?.. who you going to remove? the lolCOR? to give them fury and weak mob defense just for those DDs?
like I said before.. if they make their buff to affect alliance they will be "really" good.
You're right about the buffs and damage being meh but I believe what they are saying is that the lure of the Geo is going to be about debuffs. Also I think the math that Sylow did in another thread was showing that the defense down debuff would create more "dps" than an attack up buff from BRD/COR. Especially since the debuff is raid-wide while BRD/COR is limited to the PT.
I could have read it wrong though, but that's my take. To me it looks like at least 1 geo per alliance will be a HUGE dps increase for just one slot.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 17:17:43
Yeah Fitali has it right. The def- affects the MOB not the party so the entire alliance of DD's is going to benefit from it (also it stacks with every form of def- in the game). That's very useful in practice. Especially with the 1h/h2h update.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-04 17:32:37
Bringing a DRG, GEO, and DNC to your alliance makes a 25% attack boost from Chaos Roll look like a 94% attack boost. Most people already bring a DRG, GEO can sit in the misc party and not upset anything, and with the ratio and level correction changes you might as well bring a DNC if you have a good one available and your melees do not solely consist of DRK.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-04 17:33:54
As long as the nin stay at home, I'm fine bringing anyone!
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By Gannonman 2013-04-04 22:58:59
I currently do not have magian staves, but plan on working on them very soon. Dark ring/refresh hairpin farming on geo:
Noticed something interesting while I was there also. Concentric Pulse gives ruby lights so I don't think it's magic based dmg.
Nice thanks for the SS, nice to see some actual numbers on the spells. Think the -ra II spells are worth it? Seems like tier IV's are pretty close in damage and saves quite a bit of MP compared to the -ra II's. Then again I haven't gotten to test it out, I'm just going off of what I see here.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 23:03:18
I currently do not have magian staves, but plan on working on them very soon. Dark ring/refresh hairpin farming on geo:
Noticed something interesting while I was there also. Concentric Pulse gives ruby lights so I don't think it's magic based dmg.
Nice thanks for the SS, nice to see some actual numbers on the spells. Think the -ra II spells are worth it? Seems like tier IV's are pretty close in damage and saves quite a bit of MP compared to the -ra II's. Then again I haven't gotten to test it out, I'm just going off of what I see here.
Aren't the -ra spells AoE though?
By Gannonman 2013-04-04 23:08:43
I currently do not have magian staves, but plan on working on them very soon. Dark ring/refresh hairpin farming on geo:
Noticed something interesting while I was there also. Concentric Pulse gives ruby lights so I don't think it's magic based dmg.
Nice thanks for the SS, nice to see some actual numbers on the spells. Think the -ra II spells are worth it? Seems like tier IV's are pretty close in damage and saves quite a bit of MP compared to the -ra II's. Then again I haven't gotten to test it out, I'm just going off of what I see here.
Aren't the -ra spells AoE though?
Good point I didn't even take that into consideration, was just looking at damage, wanting to see how tier IV stacked up against -ra II.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-04 23:09:42
Heck if they are basically the strength of T4, but AoE that might be very useful.
By Gannonman 2013-04-04 23:13:12
Yeah I agree, with the comparable numbers and the -ra's being AoE I guess it's time to get my butt farming up some gil.
Well after working a bit on caping Handbell and Geomancry I can say that GEO is at a C in these skills ( Could be + or - but betting they followed BRD) Then GEO also has a C in Dark Magic and a B in Elemental Magic (Again not sure if it's + or -). Hoping this info will help out GEOs who are looking to level the job at what kind of skill levels their magic will be.
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