Dad Disowns Son Via Letter...

Before the Christian religion invaded most of the world, there were many asian countries who embraced the idea of homosexuality. Medeival or Warring States Japan was one of them. Since Women could not participate in the armies of the Shogunate, many men of various age groups sought out other men to have intimate relations. This of course goes beyond just the idea of having sex, they were intimate in many of the same ways a man and his wife were. Many of these countries had similar events occurring on a daily basis for thousands of years prior to the introduction of Christianity and Catholocism.

Anyways, There are people who would disown their own children for much less than sexual orientation. My father, for example, disowned one of his sons simply because he stood up to him, but has decided to keep in contact with his eldest daughter, who is a lesbian.

I'm sure it is, like I said. I only commented on the letter which is what the thread topic was created for.

People are stupid. Situations like this ultimately boil down to poor education. The educational system, private or public, do more than teach math and simple grammatical skills, but expose children to new people and new ideas, fostering tolerance and the seeds of critical thought. Refining the educational system now will make many of these issues go away, or at the very least reduce their numbers significantly. We can't stop these things from happening now, but by maturing culturally, they will die out with their generations.

Dear Hypothetically Gay Son

What lengths Huffington Post, LA Times, and other media outlets have gone to authenticate the user I don't know...

I don't think its fake though... I think whats going on here is 2 things. 1) LGBT are being placed in the media spotlight (e.g. ChickFilA, Obama, Villaraigosa, Prop 8, New York etc) 2) We have individuals who really wern't comfortable talking about such matters discussing them now, who are utilizing the media now to tell their stories that they've kept in the closet.

Discussing how your family/parents disown you is a harsh reality is not something many LGBT really like to talk about. It makes you feel humiliated. Particularly when you see shows like *** as Folk, make coming out to be some glamorous event.

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Gun Hill Road (2011/2012)

This is more in touch reality. Story about kid coming out to his dad. Dad discovers son is gay and a transsexual/cross-dresser.

Farther has some very serious control issues and may also be emotionally abusive in trying to achieve the outcome he feels he wants for his son by bullying him and emotionally denying him as being a part of their family is definitely not the way to go. Probably hoping the son will reconsider his lifestyle and will change to please his father and family.

Farther could definitely receive some counselling regarding that and hopefully receive some acceptance skill and learn to accept and love his son for who he really is and not for who he think he should be. If not the son would be much better off and happier without his father hanging over him as a really bad cloud that burst without warning just to emotionally make him feel bad...over and over again...

I wish I could believe that.

There are any number of things I project will die out. Sadly Humans predominate the top of my list, and with them most of the remainder of my list.

Should those among us who see this do something? Are we at fault for just editorializing the truth instead of asserting it? Where is the line between humanist and pushy atheist?

Telling someone what to believe is futile; I realize this. Presenting someone the illusion of choice, is a skill more powerful than what I can currently conceptualize. If I could deceive others in such a foul way, then I would be the antithesis of my own design.

If I could deceive others in such a way, sadly, I would. I don't wish to fool anyone, only to bring human kind further away from self annihilation. Would you do the same?

You're caught up too much in the politics of it all. Funding education and fostering secularism is no more liberal than voting independent. These are terms used to confuse, obfuscate and complicate. America was founded on the idea of freedoms, particularly religious freedom, and secularism is the only means to that end without losing the founding ideology.

There's no lying involved. There's no deception or illusion of choice. How can one make a choice if they're not properly equipped to understand the information? The ability to choose is given at adulthood, until then they have to go to school and abide by their parents' law. And though it may sound it, none of what I'm referring to has anything to do with religion. Religion has its place, but it's just not in the science or ethics classroom. Philosophy, theology, mythology, psychology, anthropology, etc. All it does is put religion in its place, and present kids with as much information as readily possible. People shouldn't fear this, and just be content with their faith being exactly what it is: faith.

It's 3 A.M. and I'm not totally positive that makes any sense. If it doesn't, sorry.

It makes perfect sense and I as a bystander should not be allowed comment.

It's 3AM here as well. So I might sound crazier than usual (if that's possible). I've read and reread what I said and meant to say, and for that part reread what you have said.

You seem to address idealism.

I'd love to live in a world where children accept what is taught to them not because of dogmatic nonsense but because it's provable and testable.

I'm just not so optimistic. Also, you didn't answer my question. If you could fool people into believing how you want them to, would you? Or would you not?

Nearly 4AM here so I'm almost sure this makes no sense.

http://now.msn.com/man-admits-he-lied-about-being-beaten-in-hate-crime

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kill-the-gay-lesbian-couple-charged-after-allegedly-faking-hate-crime/

I'm going to agree with Draylo on this one. The letter looks incredibly fake. I understand this sort of thing does happen (my friend's father didn't necessarily disown him for being homosexual, but he stopped talking to him for a few months while he tried to cope with the situation). My only issue is with believing ***on the internet. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone is out for notoriety. Everyone wants their moment of attention.

Story might be true, but I'll take it with a grain of salt, like everything else. It could just as easily be as false as the two original stories of the above links.

You know what guys? This happens daily throughout the world. Just because it happened to one person in a particularly shitty way, we are all forced to make a comment about it. No matter how you look at it, a family is no longer whole. Yes, the father is a total douche for disowning his son in such a cowardly way. On the otherhand, the son knew the father was an intense homophobe and provoked a reaction by coming out to his father. The entire situation is totally wrong. I blame BOTH parties for a total lack of communication.

Food for thought:

If the entire world became homosexual and I mean EVERYONE!!!!!! Take away artficial insemination...in approximately 150 years, I can tell you what the Earth's human population will be.

lolwut?


I'd like to know the logic you used to come to this conclusion, as it's apparently flawed...

A) bisexuals also count as homosexual (since they are homosexual and heterosexual? lol)

B) Not everyone is homosexual

C) You don't have to be attracted to someone to have sex and make kids

D) In 150 years, I won't be alive to give a ***.

E) There's diversity for a reason. The homosexuals don't want everyone to be homosexual and in the same sense, the heterosexuals shouldn't want everyone to be heterosexual

Holy ***, are you serious?

No it's not... there's much much worse....

This is a sad turn of event in any relationship, let alone a parent-child based one. I find it amazing that people can openly say exactly what their god has intended and has not. Hope the guy's kid finds the strength to move past this horrible event, and that the father comes to his senses and is able to make things right before he dies (though people like this rarely see their errors until it's too late.)

I don't really see parent-child relationships as anything special as compared to anyone else you're truly close to. Maybe it's easier to get to the point of that level of closeness, but once you're there in any other relationship;

That being said, he doesn't need his dad if he's not going to have a basic level of respect for him. He's better off without

Seriously, the kid really shouldn't have even made the conscious decision to be homosexual to begin with. Then there would be no problem at all. In that case, the father wouldn't even need to be blamed for anything. So the fault mostly lies with the son.

I'll say this... and don't take it the wrong way... why should you have to look to some one for comfort in who you are? That always bewildered me to no end.... Like I actually hated having my parents involved in anything I did cause I did it for me and give no ***** otherwise. I've always looked at parents as just that... people that gave birth to you... and have no other baring on you otherwise.


I can and would gladly kill my biological sperm donor in a gruesome way, and smile doing it. I care little if he is the man who brought me into it... While it's sad that this man can't just at least not give a crap his son is gay, and just move on. Even if he doesn't like it, he has no say in his sons choice, unless asked his opinion... which the son did ask. So he has to be ready to accept that his father is not gonna accept it as well. I may be detached from my family feelings wise, but he shouldn't be saddened by the mans words about his life. If he's happy being gay, then that's all that should matter.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic..... or stupid

Or both ;)

Well idk bout other people, but I definitely do feel there is a difference in a parent-child relationship compared to any other. For one, while not everyone has a great set of parents, typically throughout the mentally maturing phases of your life your parents are the ones who guide you through them. Adding to the fact that, they are (and always will be) your only biological parents, there is a typical "role-model" aspect that is added especially during younger years. You don't get that with any other normal relationship, even with a partner you spend your life with...typically doesn't happen.

Now I'm not saying that other close relationships aren't as important or emotionally deep, I just don't see many others that can hit the same level as parent-child.

I do agree with you on the fact that if there isn't a respect from his father, he is better off without him. But there is an emotional barrier that has to be passed for said individual to reach the point of accepting that.

Half of your points just have to deal with the people who raised you, not your parents. For example, I lived with my grandma from when I was 2 until I was 14, but still talked to my parents once in a while. There wasn't any role model aspect, or any guiding through anything lol. That has 0 to do with biological parents even if it does occur with parents more commonly than anything else.

Was very easy for me to cut ties with my mom, lol. I have nothing against her, but there's nothing there for her either, so I just do my thing and she can do her thing

I guess I should've made it a point to say a more typical family situation, but there are always exceptions like in your case.

What makes it so unbelievable? Blacks were enslaved and treated like human cargo less than 200 years ago in the US. Culturally, the nation evolved and came to a realization that just because someone happens to be darker doesn't mean they're worthless, property or deserving of unspeakable cruelties. We still haven't quite stamped out racist ideology and discrimination runs rampant still but we've made significant process in a relatively short span of time.

Progress came from individuals who came to the realization that the status quo was less than ideal and people on both sides - the people being affected and those who sympathized with their plight who stood up to do something. Similar to our current situation you had opponents waving the religious flag, declaring that God gave them the right to hold slaves and that any attempt to disturb divine will would result in an apocalypse. What we see today is merely another incarnation of that tired argument and yet another incarnation of individuals who feel that keeping down an entire culture of people is fundamentally wrong.

I'm pretty sure I understand what you're getting at (Though I don't understand the bystander comment. Can't tell if that's a dig or a passing tangent), but there's no way to address people willfully ignoring facts. I'm pretty positive that fostering large-scale educational reform (I'm not even talking pushing an agenda here. I just mean more money, paying teachers a more-than respectable wage, and reinforcing the curriculum with plenty of studies to foster the best education for our people possible.) will cause enough of a normative shift in society that it will become much less common place though.

And to answer your question, no I wouldn't. Tricking people into doing the right thing means they don't understand it's the right thing, or can't be bothered with right or wrong. This is why I'm such a large proponent of critical thought; sure, there's plenty of gray area, but I'd personally like the majority to understand why something is right, not just blindly accept it. A Democracy will not function, it will implode on itself, without an educated public.

Well California will be an experiment so to speak to affirm Tikals point regarding education. They are forcing the California history curriculum to include LGBT and disabled-person history starting no later than 2013. However, school districts can begin implementing them into the curriculum as soon as Fall 2012.

So give the new curriculum 1-2 years and lets see how the impact of LGBT historic events in K-12 (Stonewall, Perry vs Schwarzenegger, Harvey Milk, DOMA, DADT) impact California residents.

What does this have to do with anything?