Jesus?

Clearly he can't or won't :P

Pretty much. Why I said you can't reason with him. Unfortunately I have dealt with him in the past.

My preacher says that Jesus wouldn't use cheats.

Didn't you know Jesus also used to merc his miracles for 10 mil each and tell everyone else "u jelly".

For you, my pm box is always open. :-)

(Although I should warn you that my friends list is lying to people and telling them I'm on this site when I'm not. I think this is because I'm super-secret-ninja-like stalking that Jishnu's Radiance build thread and I have it bookmarked at the moment so I can stalk it whenever I please. So if I don't reply soon, I might not be on the site actually.)

I am always open to discussion on any topic. Just take your bible you read everyday and compare it to your grandma's bible if its from when she was young.

There are differences and people spend time finding them. I watched a video of someone comparing bibles and pointing out differences. I will try to find the link.

This is from a bible scholar.

I'm not worried about a fast response, it will more than likely be a day before I can even get around to telling you what I want to cover in regards to those vids you posted. I'll be ringing at your inbox soon enough ; )

Just an example of how translations can lead to varying degrees of interpretation:

Exodus 22:18

King James Version (KJV)
18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Common English Bible (CEB)
18 Don’t allow a female sorcerer to live.

Darby Translation (DARBY)
18 -- Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
18 “You must not allow any woman to do evil magic. If she does magic, you must not let her live.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
18 “Never let a witch live.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 “You shall not allow a sorceress to live.

Good News Translation (GNT)
18 Put to death any woman who practices magic.

New Century Version (NCV)
18 "Put to death any woman who does evil magic.

I see 4 different ways of taking this one line of text in the Bible alone.

So how do you do this when it states "Thou shall not kill" ?

I've said it once and I'll say it again, religion starts to break down when you try and apply logic. I don't really think religion was ever 'designed' with logic in mind.

Isn't there also speculation over Akhenaten and Nefertiti's adaptation of their own monotheistic religion that might have sunk into the origins of Christianity, or am I thinking of another pharaoh?

EDIT: Actually, there are all kinds of crazy things about Akhenaten. The alien thing being the most bizarre.

Running it through BibleGateway:

American Standard Version (ASV)
13 Thou shalt not kill.

King James Version (KJV)
13 Thou shalt not kill.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
13 “You must not murder anyone.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
13 “Never murder.

Good News Translation (GNT)
13 Do not commit murder.

Sigmund Freud's Moses and Monotheism.

Funny, because my religion professor just brought it up last week.

I need a refresher. I haven't really thought about it since my Ancient World History course, but this thread...

Anyhow, TY. Giving it a glance ATM.

I liked that, and am watching this one - same thing, about an hour long, still not full, though.



Interestingly enough, all four are good pieces of advice.

Yeah...This is pretty familiar. Akhenaten and his followers established their own kingdom and what not either before or after the Hittite (sp?) invasion...Androgynous art from that era...Something...Something...Tutankhamun.

Errrmmm...Cleopatra wouldn't be a blood descendant of Akhenaten, right? Different dynasties? I don't even remember.

/ponders

Killing isnt murder when you're commanded to do it by the bible.

Its very easy to rationalize when you dont have to be responsible for your sense of morality.

The internet is full of raging atheists

There's enough raging religious people to counter, I suppose ... ;)

Let me be the voice of apathy!

a lot of us don't care either way...

I can't imagine why, given how atheists getting kicked out of houses, run out of town, and discriminated against in real life (in the USA, at least) isn't exactly unheard of. Being anonymous is the only real safe place for anyone.

find peace in agnosticism

<- Stout Agnostic

Granted I don't spend a lot of time in the deep south, but there has never been a place where I felt if I if I felt the silly desire to proclaim to the world that I was atheist, I would be immediately assaulted for saying those words.

I frequent a dive bar here in middle o nowhere SD. you could stand up & say that, you may turn a head, but that's about it.

idk about the south

It's not just the 'deep south' it happens all over. Happens in other countries as well.

I don't really feel like tracking down all the stories, but he's right, it's far from unheard of.

Actually there are two I can remember off the top of my head that have been posted and discussed here.. One was from India I think, guy had a facebook page that said he was atheist and the law wanted to (or did) persecute him for heresy, and he wasn't safe in jail or anywhere because of radicals making threats to his life. Another was some stupid *** over a prayer in school, the kid fought for their right to not have to hear that stuff, and instantly the entire town turned on them, including their own parents.

My point wasn't to claim that religion didn't produce intolerant people. There are plenty of places where it would absolutely be dangerous to say that. There are plenty of people who suffer abuse through religious fanaticism. No devotion to any god makes that right.

Two high school kids that made the news in the last year or so come to mind.

Rhode Island:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahlquist_v._Cranston

Texas:
http://www.alternet.org/belief/151086/high_school_student_stands_up_against_prayer_at_public_school_and_is_ostracized,_demeaned_and_threatened/

Those are just the two of them that I'm actually on speaking terms with (internet is pretty cool).