PS2 Users

I used to run this on a Pentium 4 and some shitty integrated Intel chip. I'm running XI and XIV at max on at the same time on my current computer though.

man emachines are such ***though...


hopefully you added a case fan, I still be the motherboard will burn itself out in a matter of months.

I've never been a fan of brand name PCs. I think I need to take to compressed air to my PC because it's been sluggish lately. Might need to reapply new thermal paste.

2 years no problems. Besides, It was free. :)

spend some cash on a air compressor, you'll save yourself in the long run and you don't have to deal with the bittering agent, yuck.



fair enough, free is free.

I wonder if I could use a shop vac without messing up my pc.

do you live in a dry area?

Can get pretty humid here. Threat of static electricity or something?

humid is good, yeah static is all you have to worry about.

humidity actually lowers the risk of discharge, go figure.

I've used a vacuum on a pc before, no issue, just stay clear of the cmos chip.

This shop vac turns into a leaf blower though, so I can have it on blower mode if that would work better.

tbh, I'm not sure, there's risk either way really, just plug the thing in so it's grounded and that should help.

The people you're arguing with understand that.

What you don't seem to comprehend is the game was originally coded for the PS2 and then ported to PC and later to XBOX360.

If you eliminate the PS2, you can indeed make improvements which were impossible due to hardware limitations, but it would require rewriting the code for the entire game.

The PC and XBOX versions are, in essence, PS2 emulators.

The cost of rewriting the entire game would not make sense for Square Enix business wise, unless the investment would bring in enough new players to pay for the rewrite of this code AND offset the loss of their PS2 subscribers, many of whom have been around since launch.

Do you get it now?

There's no doubt the fact this game was originally coded for PS2 has held back its development in many ways. The hardware limitations are not the only limitations, either, as any programmer attempting to rewrite this code would need extensive knowledge of GCC and whatever language Square Enix decided to rewrite it in.

Rewriting a program is often harder than writing it from the ground up, especially when it needs to interact with an existing database. Also, the expense of a rewrite is only worth it if it brings in at least the amount of money it costs.

I was just wondering... I am not computer savy I am team PS2, but i have been reading all your post about PC vs PS2 and to be honest its pretty funny, but yet intresting what you guys have to say... Like all this Ram this and GB that and the graphics here or whatever... I dont know what most of that means I prefer having sex :) .

But lets say I was to get a PC... I was reading everything I needed to play ffxi on PC, if it sounds right most of the PC they sell in best buy seem like they can play the game just fine (specs below). Are these fine.

Processor Brand - AMD

Processor Platform - AMD VISION A6 APU

Processor - AMD A6-Series

Processor Speed - 2.6GHz

Cache Memory - 4MB on die Level 2

System Memory (RAM) - 8GB

Type of Memory (RAM) - DDR3 SDRAM

Hard Drive Type - SATA (7200 rpm)

Hard Drive Size - 1TB

Graphics - AMD Radeon HD 6530D

Video Memory - Up to 4089MB total available

Audio - Integrated; 6-speaker configurable with up to 5.1-surround sound support

Network Card - Built-in 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN

Wireless Networking - Built-in 802.11b/g/n wireless LAN

Recordable DVD Drive - Yes, double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW

Recordable DVD Drive Speeds - 12x DVD+R DL; 12x DVD-R DL; 16x8x16 DVD+RW; 16x6x16 DVD-RW; 12x DVD-RAM; 40x32x40 CD-RW

Digital Media Reader or Slots - Yes, digital media card reader

Operating System Platform - Windows

Operating System - Windows 7 Home Premium

System Version - 64-bit

Graphics Chip - AMD/ATI

Drive Capacity - 1TB


Thanks for the Help. Still Team PS2 lol

I have sex a lot, and I still know what all these means, well short of a few of the more detailed graphics talk.

and what is your question btw?

Overkill for FFXI.

Of course, if you did decide to go that route, you might want to buy it somewhere else than Best Buy. Buying it online could save you at least $150-200, even after paying for shipping.

A Windows PC with XP, 2 GB RAM, and any graphics card released since 2006 runs the game flawlessly and in fact is also overkill. 1GB is more than enough (SE recommends 256 MB of RAM). You can probably buy a used PC with those kinds of specs at a local computer shop from $100-150 or less.


These system requirements were lifted from Playonline website. I had a better PC than recommended back in 2004.

Minimum System Requirements
Operating System: Windows® XP/Vista/7
CPU: Intel® Pentium®III 800Mhz or faster processor
Memory: 128 MB RAM
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ series with 32 MB or ATI® RADEON™ 9000 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.


Recommended
Operating System: Windows® XP Professional
CPU: Intel® Pentium®4 processor
Memory: 256 MB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce FX™ series or GeForce 6 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/win/win01.html?pageID=win

For those who insist it's PS2 hardware that's the limiting factor in development, look at the minimum and recommended system requirements for PC and you'll understand it's not.

Square Enix would have to up the minimum hardware requirements substantially to support some of the changes people attribute to PS2 limitations, wouldn't they?

The PS2 limitations the developers refer to are based on the PS2 programming language used to code the game, not on hardware.

Huh...was this your argument? But if people leave ps2 and they go else where and then old players come back... where is the less competition for NM's. Not to mention old players would be lost in this game if they came back. Old players wouldnt have a clue about a lot of the stuffing going on in the game. So whats the point of them coming back? I wonder how the aurgment would have turned out if SE said ok we not messing with PC and we are sticking around only for PS2 and Xbox... then what?

Thanks Scar, I'll look into it.

@Jetackuu, im just messing around... but scar gave me an Idea of what to look for.

after all this, I'll be laughing if SE comes back a month later and goes "oops, we forgot to post the PS logo and PlayStation2 as a support platform..."

By odd twist of fate recently a new PC came into the house, a simple walmart clearance emachines $200 thing. While it doesnt run flawlessly on max graphics turn things down a little bit and it runs FF just fine and still has enough left over for web browsing and playing music. The bottom dollar modern desktops are more than enough to run FFXI.

This is wrong they stopped making ps2 disk for the us yes,but if se really wants to put out a disk copy of something for ps2 they just need to pick up the phone for the most part and call sony and ask them to make this or what ever a ps2 copy then give them a bit more money then they do all ready for what ever sonys part is in ffxi i forget what it is but u get the point.

btw the poster saying the limits on the ps2 is not ture i am on your side i have said for a long time that the ps2 can still run ffxi great to this day the only factor i think was on sonys end before ffxi was even made sony never thought the use of a hdd on a ps2 would take hold,but look at it now ffxi is one of the biggest games in the world well not big as in a lot of people play but bug as in u ask any gamer and they know the game even if they do not play.

You're missing the point, that in Japan SCEI (their main office and Japan branch) had a linux based "platform" for the PS2 called PSBBN (PlayStation Broad Band Navigator) and that's why they renamed the "HDD kit" (network adapter and HDD sold in a bundle, without any game) in Japan as "BB Unit". They even let that "escape" when they wrote the NA announcement for FFXI partition size increase two weeks ago.

The point is, PSBBN had a online pay service "feega" which served the purpose of "wallet" as the current PSN service uses. PSBBN was the embryo form of PSN. It was in service through 2002 until 2007 when everything but KOEI Gamecity channel were pulled out. KOEI Gamecity is only being kept because it's used as notification channel for users of the Nobunaga Online game, which is still running.

At some point several games were available for purchase at PSBBN through feega.
Finally, they developed an strong DRM system (HDD DNAS) and a PS1 emulator which worked from the HDD that could be used to allow them to sell PS1 games through PSBBN. They only released one title in 2002, using that emulator and it was a demo. lol

In 2003, HDLOADER released, they removed the PS1 game from PSBBN out of panic.

PSBBN was the real purpose SONY developed the HDD and it did flop real bad. ;)

no, they stopped the manufacturing of pressed US PS2 discs, you really shouldn't try to tell people they're wrong when you don't even know what a pressed disc is.

Here is my 2 cents worth. If people are this upset by PS2 users, why not just buy all the playstation 2 users a new PC system or a 360 so that way, people can have new options. People say "ps2limitations" but you know, some people cant afford new pcs or 360s to make ffxi run. So thus they stay on ps2. I know a bunch of ps2 users. if SE is making money they will make (or allow ps2 users to download) installments of FFXI.

some people just prefer the console over the hassle of using a pc for games.

it's really none of their business what others play on, and even if they did that, nothing would change, and that's the bottom line.