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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:05:16
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I have PC for PS2 games.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:05:49
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I know they've done some hi-res icons and the new UI is PC only, but is the graphics part actually held back by PS2? Is it impossible to just upgrade PC if they wanted to?

no it's not, Latifah is talking out of his ***.
Please get educated before posting random stuff, You clearly don't know how games works. ffxi will never get upgraded in term of graphics and textures because the ps2 is using a very old GPU and CPU.

If SE decides to upgrade the game graphics. they will need to drop down the ps2. that's why ps2 users dont get HD fonts and icons that uses major ram as well, If this was not an issue they could also put ff14 on ps2.

This reminds me that Yoship stated that they will upgrade the engine for ff14, so it can run well on the ps3, because the extreme demanding resources that the game needs. Not to mention the different gui for both platforms. The ps3 version will also have less draw distance.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:07:19
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You just argued against yourself. The argument wasn't that the PS2 could handle it. The argument was that the PS2 doesn't need to be upgraded for other platforms to be upgraded.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:12:14
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It doesn't make sense that they redesign the game for the pc and look shittier on the ps2 with fewer features on it. it needs to be the same (im talking about graphics and textures) /game mechanics
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:12:38
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Latifah said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I know they've done some hi-res icons and the new UI is PC only, but is the graphics part actually held back by PS2? Is it impossible to just upgrade PC if they wanted to?

no it's not, Latifah is talking out of his ***.
Please get educated before posting random stuff, You clearly don't know how games works. ffxi will never get upgraded in term of graphics and textures because the ps2 is using a very old GPU and CPU.

If SE decides to upgrade the game graphics. they will need to drop down the ps2. that's why ps2 users dont get HD fonts and icons that uses major ram as well, If this was not an issue they could also put ff14 on ps2.

This reminds me that Yoship stated that they will upgrade the engine for ff14, so it can run well on the ps3, because the extreme demanding resources that the game needs. Not to mention the different gui for both platforms. The ps3 version will also have less draw distance.


You apparently are ignorant and didn't read the thread, not to mention that no, they wouldn't need to drop the ps2 version to change things that are run on the client side.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, your last statement in your second paragraph proves that.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:12:55
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I see what you're saying, but it's not making any sense.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:13:23
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I see what you're saying, but it's not making any sense.

because it doesn't make sense.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:16:11
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Jetackuu said: »
Latifah said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I know they've done some hi-res icons and the new UI is PC only, but is the graphics part actually held back by PS2? Is it impossible to just upgrade PC if they wanted to?

no it's not, Latifah is talking out of his ***.
Please get educated before posting random stuff, You clearly don't know how games works. ffxi will never get upgraded in term of graphics and textures because the ps2 is using a very old GPU and CPU.

If SE decides to upgrade the game graphics. they will need to drop down the ps2. that's why ps2 users dont get HD fonts and icons that uses major ram as well, If this was not an issue they could also put ff14 on ps2.

This reminds me that Yoship stated that they will upgrade the engine for ff14, so it can run well on the ps3, because the extreme demanding resources that the game needs. Not to mention the different gui for both platforms. The ps3 version will also have less draw distance.


You apparently are ignorant and didn't read the thread, not to mention that no, they wouldn't need to drop the ps2 version to change things that are run on the client side.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, your last statement in your second paragraph proves that.
99% of the game is client side. If they want to put new races and new graphics/textures they will need to drop the ps2 version because the ps2 will not handle it. Unless they make a different server for ps2 users
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:18:43
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no it isn't, and no they won't.

your own statement disagrees with itself...
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:21:44
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Jetackuu said: »
no it isn't, and no they won't.

your own statement disagrees with itself...
elaborate. because i will like to know how the ps2 gpu/cpu will handle hd textures and high polygons count
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:27:54
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Please refer to my earlier statement.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:29:02
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while a lot of the game is client side, most certainly is not, however the part we're discussing is, and is why they can update the files on one platform and not another, not to mention that they can rewrite how the PC handles the code entirely instead of emulating the PS2, and that would fix most of the issues.

I never stated the PS2 could handle those things, nor implied.


You need to go back and read the discussion leo was having about the graphics, then again I doubt you would understand it.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:34:36
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Keep in mind this is purely whether it's possible or not and not probability. It's basically to debunk all the complaints from the PS2 whiners.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:37:06
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I'm simply... NOT talking about that the ps2 needs to be upgraded in order to get nice things on other platforms, The meme said it's a cancer because ps2 subscribers remains.... and limits the game to get upgraded in a good way, such as new engine and more races. because the ps2 have limited RAM. and SE sadly needs to stay low profile because of that. so ps2 and pc/xbox users will have the same old emulated system
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:38:29
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Except the game engine will never be rewritten regardless if ps2 is in the picture or not. I feel like you're intentionally being as dumb as you can be.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:39:42
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It's just an example, idk why you have to pick specifically that. Both of you are on denial. the ps2 will have this game dumbed down forever unless they entirely drop it so it can get upgraded on a large scale
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-25 13:40:24
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Because.. that's the whole point?
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:40:39
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I picked the engine because that's the only thing that limits the game. If you take PS2 out of the situation, PS2 limitations becomes game engine limitations.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:42:02
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I picked the engine because that's the only thing that limits the game. If you take PS2 out of the situation, PS2 limitations becomes game engine limitations.
Again. RAM limits the game a lot. it explains why most auto-translate and other stuff are not on the game. because they need to sync in with ps2 users

This explains why most gear are just re-textured and icons looks the same on the 3 platforms
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:44:10
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indeed, and I said it before: SE has been using the "it's all the PS2's fault" excuse/scapegoat for years, instead of just admitting that they don't want to or don't have the funds to fix the code.

Granted back in the day when the game first came out on PC it enabled the game to be run on the graphics cards of the time as it is heavy on the CPU end, (and would explain a lot of things like fullscreen, it crashing on non multi core pc's when windowed, when it goes to low priority), to it hiccuping on anything that plays with fullscreen, or directx)

If they would have made the PC port true, and then the subsequent 360 port from said PC port, instead of the way they did, most of our issues would have never existed (then we'd have other stuff to *** about I'm sure).

the bottom line is: supporting the PS2 has never stopped them from fixing the PC version to handle properly, and then being able to use different files on the client to pull up the backgrounds, textures etc, but they still don't do it. Hopefully they will change it somewhat with the new UI coming out, we'll see.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-06-25 13:45:25
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Omg Latifah, if all you do is *** about 11, why post? It was said by Kalila in the rune fencer thread I believe as well. Wtf is up man? They aren't gonna add a new race such as male mithra, because of lore. Limitations be damned. Btw, the PC version is getting a UI interface upgrade and it's not on PS2. So it is possible to upgrade some stuff on PC only without dropping PS2 support. God.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-25 13:46:06
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Latifah said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I picked the engine because that's the only thing that limits the game. If you take PS2 out of the situation, PS2 limitations becomes game engine limitations.
Again. RAM limits the game a lot. it explains why most auto-translate and other stuff are not on the game. because they need to sync in with ps2 users

This explains why most gear are just re-textured and icons looks the same on the 3 platforms

actually that really only explains the auto translate the other two are handled rather differently.

and I stated earlier, they can change the way they handle the auto translate feature, even on the PS2, but chose not to. They may now since they have more hdd space, but we'll see.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:46:20
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This explains why most gear are just re-textured and icons looks the same on the 3 platforms
Except they are adding a whole new expansion worth of gear.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:50:46
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Omg Latifah, if all you do is *** about 11, why post? It was said by Kalila in the rune fencer thread I believe as well. Wtf is up man? They aren't gonna add a new race such as male mithra, because of lore. Limitations be damned. Btw, the PC version is getting a UI interface upgrade and it's not on PS2. So it is possible to upgrade some stuff on PC only without dropping PS2 support. God.
That's the gui only (cosmetic). Not in game features such as new spells or HD fancy gear, it doesn't affect the ps2 version at all. They don't need to adapt ps2 version players in order to do that.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:51:21
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Going to blow my brains out.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-25 13:51:39
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Didn't answer his question. Why all the XI hateraid? Cyber a mithra only to find out they had a *** or what? I think everyone wants to know.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:53:12
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Latifah said: »
This explains why most gear are just re-textured and icons looks the same on the 3 platforms
Except they are adding a whole new expansion worth of gear.
Re-textured gear
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-25 13:55:30
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They can add entirely new zones, but ps2 stops them from adding new gear. That makes perfect sense.
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By Latifah 2012-06-25 13:57:07
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Bismarck.Cicada said: »
Didn't answer his question. Why all the XI hateraid? Cyber a mithra only to find out they had a *** or what? I think everyone wants to know.
I don't hate XI. i was obviously bothering and trolling around @ geomancer thread. But i do dislike mithra because most guys on this game, fool other guys by pretending they are girls in RL for monetary advance (gil), It's also a very overused race for whm and brd mules, on top of that it's a creepy hairy/boobless race that looks like toothpicks. I don't like the fact that SE made mithra looks sluttier than other female races
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-06-25 13:57:47
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I dont understand why so many people *** about re-textured/reskinned gear. They didnt change a single thing about the appearance of the Neo-Nyzul gear..and that didnt stop ANY active player from wanting it.
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