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GM's cracking down on FC for Gil services
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By Odin.Stormcroww 2012-06-07 16:42:16
Honestly, I could give two shakes on Fell cleave parties. In fact i would much rather have them out there cleaving and actually contributing something to other players. In fact for the price of a cleave party I would bet you can damn near break even or quite possibly come out ahead from curor given. Of course, I immage most people who have used these services, my self included, would rather give our gil to a regular player trying to earn some gil. But there just isnt anyone running a reliable service like this that I know of. The problem is that there are FCers who are struggling to compete with the prices that the RMTs propose. The other problem is that the services offered by the RMTs are so incredibly lackluster and leaving much to be demanded. The phrase, " You get what you pay for," comes to mind; just because the RMTs typically charge less, does not mean that what they're providing is worth spending Gil on (I said before, I've had friends who have taken a chance on RMT FCs, and they were sorely, sorely disappointed with how it turned out).
Fact you will always be taking a chance when paying for a service. Be it F/C parties or Merc services or what ever you choose to hand over gil for. Definately disproving the "you get what you pay for" in game statement. More like "You take your chances" everytime you agree to a service. Competition determines economy and prices. As fact seen in ancient currancy prices on a daily basis.
Point of fact I would happily be willing to pay more for equal service knowing I am supporting real game players and participants. As I know most others would. You have your friend start one and ill be on the list my friend.
Competition can easily be handled with a BLU. Let them bring the mobs and the BLU shots em. Just saying White is White... right.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-06-07 16:43:13
I would prefer to get it all done in the least amount of time possible so I can move on to other things. This was when there were actually other things to do of course.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-07 16:45:06
Honestly, I could give two shakes on Fell cleave parties. In fact i would much rather have them out there cleaving and actually contributing something to other players. In fact for the price of a cleave party I would bet you can damn near break even or quite possibly come out ahead from curor given. Of course, I immage most people who have used these services, my self included, would rather give our gil to a regular player trying to earn some gil. But there just isnt anyone running a reliable service like this that I know of. The problem is that there are FCers who are struggling to compete with the prices that the RMTs propose. The other problem is that the services offered by the RMTs are so incredibly lackluster and leaving much to be demanded. The phrase, " You get what you pay for," comes to mind; just because the RMTs typically charge less, does not mean that what they're providing is worth spending Gil on (I said before, I've had friends who have taken a chance on RMT FCs, and they were sorely, sorely disappointed with how it turned out).
Fact you will always be taking a chance when paying for a service. Be it F/C parties or Merc services or what ever you choose to hand over gil for. Definately disproving the "you get what you pay for" in game statement. More like "You take your chances" everytime you agree to a service. Competition determines economy and prices. As fact seen in ancient currancy prices on a daily basis.
Point of fact I would happily be willing to pay more for equal service knowing I am supporting real game players and participants. As I know most others would. You have your friend start one and ill be on the list my friend.
Competition can easily be handled with a BLU. Let them bring the mobs and the BLU shots em. Just saying White is White... right. When people start doing that, I just switch jobs and help the RMTs cleave.
 Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-06-07 16:46:26
If you are satisfied with the levels you got then the service was worth it, if not, then its lackluster. Levels isn't an issue as long as I break even on the gil. There's this thing called being AFK that makes how long it takes irrelevant. Truth.
The only timeI've been sort of disappointed is when butthurt players were blizzajaing all the mobs or holding them over near sand sweepers for no other reason other than to be annoying.
Bismarck.Zagen
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-06-07 16:50:47
Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. I can't argue the miasma aside from you can still get around it, still annoying.
But them being lower level hasn't stopped skill ups, make them slower? Maybe, but hell at 400+ I'm still getting skill ups in La Thaine here and there.
The point was more so of there is an alternative place to skill up evasion/parry/guard/shield if you feel you have to use aggressive mandies to do it.
Honestly, I could give two shakes on Fell cleave parties. In fact i would much rather have them out there cleaving and actually contributing something to other players. In fact for the price of a cleave party I would bet you can damn near break even or quite possibly come out ahead from curor given.
Of course, I immage most people who have used these services, my self included, would rather give our gil to a regular player trying to earn some gil. But there just isnt anyone running a reliable service like this that I know of.
The problem is that there are FCers who are struggling to compete with the prices that the RMTs propose. The other problem is that the services offered by the RMTs are so incredibly lackluster and leaving much to be demanded. The phrase, " You get what you pay for," comes to mind; just because the RMTs typically charge less, does not mean that what they're providing is worth spending Gil on (I said before that I've had friends who have taken a chance on RMT FCs, and they were sorely, sorely disappointed with how it turned out).
I always made my gil back joining the "new" FC shouters. At worst I broke even but that was because I'd leave early to do other stuff as I finished stuff I had to do irl.
Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-06-07 16:53:11
Honestly, I could give two shakes on Fell cleave parties. In fact i would much rather have them out there cleaving and actually contributing something to other players. In fact for the price of a cleave party I would bet you can damn near break even or quite possibly come out ahead from curor given. Of course, I immage most people who have used these services, my self included, would rather give our gil to a regular player trying to earn some gil. But there just isnt anyone running a reliable service like this that I know of. The problem is that there are FCers who are struggling to compete with the prices that the RMTs propose. The other problem is that the services offered by the RMTs are so incredibly lackluster and leaving much to be demanded. The phrase, " You get what you pay for," comes to mind; just because the RMTs typically charge less, does not mean that what they're providing is worth spending Gil on (I said before, I've had friends who have taken a chance on RMT FCs, and they were sorely, sorely disappointed with how it turned out).
Fact you will always be taking a chance when paying for a service. Be it F/C parties or Merc services or what ever you choose to hand over gil for. Definately disproving the "you get what you pay for" in game statement. More like "You take your chances" everytime you agree to a service. Competition determines economy and prices. As fact seen in ancient currancy prices on a daily basis.
Point of fact I would happily be willing to pay more for equal service knowing I am supporting real game players and participants. As I know most others would. You have your friend start one and ill be on the list my friend.
Competition can easily be handled with a BLU. Let them bring the mobs and the BLU shots em. Just saying White is White... right.
Something, something real players are more detrimental the in-game economy than RMT, something.
 Ramuh.Yarly
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2012-06-07 16:56:27
Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-06-07 16:56:48
They were the best source of leveling on Shiva when I left.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-07 16:57:40
I should finish up my jobs, but my subscription fees are better spent on alcohol.
Bismarck.Angeleus
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-06-07 16:58:31
I think OP forgot to fill this out
In OP defense, he merely stated what had happened, I did not take it as him complaining or being butt hurt.. no need to start ***.
Perhaps, Tiger is bored and ran out daily life activities videos to post on these forums.. :p
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By Odin.Stormcroww 2012-06-07 16:59:02
Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it. You sir are correct is so many less words than I. With dyna farming, curor parties, Salvage. You pretty much are set for the long haul.
Like I said "Who the hell buys gil anyway"
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 17:01:34
Anyone can skillup anywhere. I mean chigoe in altepa, crabs, they work wonders. You don't NEED mandies to skill up. Stopping FC parties because you want to skill up like 2 levels faster an hour is a sad excuse. People are satisfied with FC leech parties, why mess with them?.... The only thing I would say mandies are good for, are parry guard and shield skillups. But then you have tahrongi canyon mandies, attowa mandies, attowa chigoe. There is seriously no excuse for this. If your concern is taking damage, put on regen atmas and use PDT gear.
Valefor.Philemon
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By Valefor.Philemon 2012-06-07 17:02:05
Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. I can't argue the miasma aside from you can still get around it, still annoying.
But them being lower level hasn't stopped skill ups, make them slower? Maybe, but hell at 400+ I'm still getting skill ups in La Thaine here and there. They have to be DC or higher to skill you up to cap. Also, if you are skilling a defensive skill, the higher level they are the better, as they will hit you more frequently. In Attohwa, there are about a half dozen mandies that can be blocked by miasma (maybe more).
Fenrir.Minjo
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-06-07 17:02:28
Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it. You sir are correct is so many less words than I. With dyna farming, curor parties, Salvage. You pretty much are set for the long haul.
Like I said "Who the hell buys gil anyway"
All the more reason not to be trying to get the only people taking gil out of the economy banned.
 Gilgamesh.Chibiclone
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By Gilgamesh.Chibiclone 2012-06-07 17:03:56
Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it. You sir are correct is so many less words than I. With dyna farming, curor parties, Salvage. You pretty much are set for the long haul.
Like I said "Who the hell buys gil anyway"
Gotta get that gil you use to pay your FC'er from somewhere...
Bismarck.Angeleus
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-06-07 17:04:44
"Who the hell buys gil anyway"
You would be surprise, but then again who cares right?
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 17:08:40
Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. Then level them up.
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Bismarck.Zagen
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-06-07 17:11:11
Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. I can't argue the miasma aside from you can still get around it, still annoying.
But them being lower level hasn't stopped skill ups, make them slower? Maybe, but hell at 400+ I'm still getting skill ups in La Thaine here and there. They have to be DC or higher to skill you up to cap. Also, if you are skilling a defensive skill, the higher level they are the better, as they will hit you more frequently. In Attohwa, there are about a half dozen mandies that can be blocked by miasma (maybe more). I've gotten skill ups on EP mobs in there. Might be because they can level up to DC (BG Wiki has the mandies capping at 95...) I don't disagree that the higher level the mob the better for skill ups but at the same time I'm not the one who cried about needing them to skill up.
Phalanx, Stoneskin, Coccoon, -PDT/MDT/DR, Regen Atmas, etc. There are a lot of ways to skill up on other mobs.
Bahamut.Yeffebel
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By Bahamut.Yeffebel 2012-06-07 17:11:34
Everyone always hates on the RMT... ever see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUmQ3xiJJE&feature=related
somehow... familiar
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Valefor.Philemon
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By Valefor.Philemon 2012-06-07 17:15:30
Siren.Fupafighters said: »Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. Then level them up. I'm going to talk specifically about skilling up with retaliation, as that's what I use mandies for. Ideally you want to have a large group of mobs hitting you for awhile. You'd equip a low damage weapon, use defender and aggressor and just let them go to town. In order to level them up you pretty much have to kill them quickly one after the other. Essentially you have to decimate the camp in order to have one good pull. It just makes more sense to go to Altepa.
If you're skilling shield or something, you don't even have to damage them so once you get them leveled up you're good once you pull them.
Bismarck.Zagen
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-06-07 17:20:22
Siren.Fupafighters said: »Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. Then level them up. I'm going to talk specifically about skilling up with retaliation, as that's what I use mandies for. Ideally you want to have a large group of mobs hitting you for awhile. You'd equip a low damage weapon, use defender and aggressor and just let them go to town. In order to level them up you pretty much have to kill them quickly one after the other. Essentially you have to decimate the camp in order to have one good pull. It just makes more sense to go to Altepa.
If you're skilling shield or something, you don't even have to damage them so once you get them leveled up you're good once you pull them. 1) Equip High Level weapon you do have skilled spam WS from all the TP they feed.
2) Wait for Camp to repop, Likely higher level now.
3) Equip Low damage weapon you wanna skill.
4) Profit...
But then again if I was at the point where I need to level up a level 80 base mob for weapon skill ups I'd be joining a group and skilling up while getting Cruor. But that's just me I'll take slower skill up rate for increase gil return and no stone loss not that that really matters.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-07 17:23:16
Gilgamesh.Chibiclone said: »Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it. You sir are correct is so many less words than I. With dyna farming, curor parties, Salvage. You pretty much are set for the long haul.
Like I said "Who the hell buys gil anyway"
Gotta get that gil you use to pay your FC'er from somewhere... Like I said, they pretty much give you the gil to pay them. You just need the initial gil.
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Valefor.Philemon
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By Valefor.Philemon 2012-06-07 17:28:54
I've had instances where I've re-upped retaliation 4 times on the same pull and the mobs deleveled when they repopped. It's a tad inconvenient to have to level up the camp with every pull. Also, I prefer to focus entirely on skillups when that is what I am after. To each his own.
My initial comment was that Altepa mandies are a great skillup camp, and that it's a bit of a shame when cleave PTs use it because it's a fairly unique camp (reasonably high level mnk mobs that aggro and link). Not that they don't have the same right to the camp of course but they would have a larger number of alternatives. My other point was that the Attohwa camp has less utility for various reasons.
By Enuyasha 2012-06-07 17:50:24
Siren.Fupafighters said: »Mandies are great for skillups because you can mitigate most of their damage with Phalanx. Also because they attack so quickly, they are ideal for defensive skillups and skilling up on WAR. Aggressive Mandies also exist in Attohwa and no one cleaves those at least never saw/joined shouts there. This is true but those Attohwa mandies are lower level so they're not quite as useful if you're near cap. They're not as easy to gather up either due to miasma. Then level them up. I'm going to talk specifically about skilling up with retaliation, as that's what I use mandies for. Ideally you want to have a large group of mobs hitting you for awhile. You'd equip a low damage weapon, use defender and aggressor and just let them go to town. In order to level them up you pretty much have to kill them quickly one after the other. Essentially you have to decimate the camp in order to have one good pull. It just makes more sense to go to Altepa.
If you're skilling shield or something, you don't even have to damage them so once you get them leveled up you're good once you pull them. 1) Equip High Level weapon you do have skilled spam WS from all the TP they feed.
2) Wait for Camp to repop, Likely higher level now.
3) Equip Low damage weapon you wanna skill.
4) Profit...
But then again if I was at the point where I need to level up a level 80 base mob for weapon skill ups I'd be joining a group and skilling up while getting Cruor. But that's just me I'll take slower skill up rate for increase gil return and no stone loss not that that really matters. you can still get time extensions while skilling.Its not hard to FC without trying to kill them.
By Exadus20 2012-06-07 17:56:22
Most people's comments are about how it negatively effects players who fell cleave, but there getting banned for monopolizing. So even if they do get banned you still cant cleave yourself because you would also be monopolizing. Bitching about this is gonna backfire on everyone.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2012-06-07 18:00:46
Gilgamesh.Chibiclone said: »Well, that's terrible news. Who the *** cares about RMT anymore? Gil rolls in so damn fast now, thanks to cruor parties, that buying gil is slower than actually afk'ing for it. You sir are correct is so many less words than I. With dyna farming, curor parties, Salvage. You pretty much are set for the long haul.
Like I said "Who the hell buys gil anyway"
Gotta get that gil you use to pay your FC'er from somewhere... Like I said, they pretty much give you the gil to pay them. You just need the initial gil.
Investing!
Still, I have to wonder if this RMT crackdown has anything to do with the complete Gacha ban in Japan. I have a hard time believing SE actually cares about anything other than it's legal liabilities.
Leviathan.Celille
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By Leviathan.Celille 2012-06-07 18:15:40
Still, I have to wonder if this RMT crackdown has anything to do with the complete Gacha ban in Japan. I have a hard time believing SE actually cares about anything other than it's legal liabilities.
Now you're just trying to hard. These have nothing in common, and most likely never will. Leave the crazy outrageous conspiracy claims to the guys on the History channel or the National Enquirer.
Most likely good news and time to rejoice for those people who hate FC leech parties and a warning to anyone who partakes in the obvious RMT FC experience points parties. GM's are starting to crack down on them due to people complaining they are monopolizing all the monsters in a given area. If you want to get rid of them, apparently this is how you do it and not by claiming you think they are RMT.
In last than a day two out of the three of Bahamut's normal FC groups have vanished. Last night they were looking for a 'keyer' so I took up the offer to help get my whm mule's blm up higher for procs when I two box. About 45 minutes into my time in the group, the WAR and RDM in Altep both vanished (no d/c symbol) and the taru taking gil in Jeuno did as well.
They showed in our alliance list for nearly an hour but we could not send them a /tell directly (said "player is offline"). A few of the people who just recently paid were there and waited around for about an hour but the rest of the others were all afk obviously. Three people paid 800k and got less than an hour, one person got about 5 hours. The rest afk. I wasted a bunch of keys and only got about 4 levels on my mule :P
A few of the paying players called a GM to report a possible trade scam. GM said in /say at Altep they were investigating the issue that our group is monopolizing all the monsters and preventing others from spawning the NM there.
After about 2 hours, of random afk my time came close to dropping below 120 minutes left so I warped. This morning I logged on to find a completely new set of FC'ers shouting, a new WAR (with pretty gimp gear this time), and they are claiming "Connection Lost Yesterday". Now it's a shit storm in /shouts and /yell that they don't offer refunds for last night because they aren't the same people. Some say GM's have refunded their money, some say they haven't got a reply.
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